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The U.S. Senate has passed an $871 billion health care reform plan.

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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


As I said in another thread, I believe it is impossible to have universal health care in America. The rest of the world introduced a public option when the private sector was small or none existent.

America has a vast private sector medical service, that would hurt the economy is drastically reduced.




posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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%8-%14 is way more than I currently pay for my health insurance NOW. And I have wonderful insurance, IMO. That would be well, more than twice what I pay now.

Then, I get new taxes to buy Joe Scmoe's insurance on top of that.

Plus, I get to keep paying out the arse into Medicare and Medicaid.

I can currently, in fact, insure both myself and my husband for less than twice the amount at the %14 rate.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Those question has not even been addressed by the manipulated run corporate government we have.

Why? because they are not after the homeless or those that can not pay or don't work, they want the working class the tax payer the side of the population that can be mandated and monitored by the IRS on the health care insurance.

So as you can see this is nothing but a hoax, the so call 44 million people estimated to no have insurance will still don't have insurance but the 60+ that works and mostly have already insurance is the target.

Now the extension of Medicare to a 33+ population range is how I believe the government is going take care of those that are out the system, but the truth is that still the working class will have to pay with taxes for that group while been forced into mandate private insurance.

The tax payer is the one that will be facing the burden of the hoax we call the health care reform.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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I agree, remember the too big to fail see the government could not appropriate tax payer money to bail out private insurance in the nation, trust me this how the government is going to bail them out.

Is nothing but a hoax.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Next step: Turn two health care bills into one




(CNN) -- The Senate on Thursday passed its version of the health care bill, inching the country closer to the biggest expansion of medical coverage since Medicare was enacted more than four decades ago.

Senate Democrats declared victory after the 60-39 party line vote, but one of the most complicated tasks is still ahead.

A conference committee must reconcile the differences -- notably a public option, how to pay for the plan that emerges and coverage for abortion -- and merge them into one.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Now they have to merge this bill:
H.R.3590

With this one:
S.1796

So, the "Public Option" isn't quite dead. But it remains to be seen what final bill will pass both houses and be signed into law.





[edit on 12/24/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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But you are failing to understand, this isn't about the type of healthcare similar to European or Canadian healthcare.

This is only forcing everyone to have insurance.

Insurance has co-pays and out of pocket expenses at far more higher cost than I imagine you might have to pay, if you pay anything besides a tax.

This forces us to buy a plan, to pay taxes for other peoples' plans, and to still have to contribute high taxes to Medicare and Medicaid.

If this were anything even remotely towards a European or Canadian type of plan, you would find nearly %100 of the US would probably go for that over this, *IF* all the other taxes were dropped to provide a Universal Health System.

This is NOT what is happening, and continuing to promote that idea is fallacy.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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This whole thing simply makes me sick...the fact that so many of these Sen. were bought off with earmarks for their states, or "bribes" which will be funds that go to "special" projects...and believe you me, those special projects will be done by contractors and others who give generously to these Sen. re-election campaigns. Its all dirty and stinks to high heavens. I truly believe we are all watching the fall of western society and our Republic has been compromised as never before. Our elected officals have shown time and time again they are willing to be enfluenced and compromised for the "right price". God help us all in these days ahead...



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Already the public option has been relegate to add about 33 million people to the Medicare and Medicaid after the senate bill clause of cutting the two entitlement programs was defeated on Dec 3, yes that is how the public option will go.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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I never understood why Medicare and Medicaid were not replaced with one single public option, surely that would be much cheaper than the current ridiculous expensive option?

[edit on 24-12-2009 by infinite]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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That is because even Medicare and medicate is profitable for the right people my friend, the two entitlement programs is two of the biggest tax payer run entities that has been subject to waste and abuse for the last 4 decades it has been enacted, plus ensure a stream line of tax payer money for the waste and abuse.





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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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It would basically end up about the same. I think they should banish Medicare/Medicaid, and just do the whole Universal thing, but they will not because they use the taxes from Medicare/Medicaid as their personal piggy banks.

Above and beyond all else, they have stolen billions from the healthcare systems as it stands, to use for pork barrel projects.

If they were to close it, that would end their free run of cash, and the pilfering of those funds would have to cease.

Medicare/Medicaid are already bankrupt, because of this more than any actual healthcare costs. Using costs as an excuse is a falsity. The government has been taking that money for a long, long time.

I just have one more thing to say/ask.

What is going to happen when the Social Security checks stop coming?

What is going to happen when pension checks stop coming?

What is going to happen when disbility checks stop coming?

What is going to happen when the government cannot pay unemployment any longer - the benefits are now officially gone.

Really, anything that is government funded at this very moment is in extreme jeopardy.

The next meltdown is coming, and if this bill finishes, we will all be in a true great depression, but we will have insurance or go to prison.

China has warned they can and will no longer buy our debt, and no other countries can or will.

Obama has already said we are out of money, and the CBO announced they are counting the Medicare cuts twice in the bill, in error, which gives it a false total.

You know the taxes would start immediately, but no one gains anythiong from this, at all, for 5 years.

Except the government.

Edit to add: I know I said one more thing, but make it two.

This is also why so many are willing to vote for this, in the house and senate. They think it will not affect them, but it will. They also do not care, because the ones that are ready to retire won't have to face the music, conveniently, after the next elections.

The ones who wish to stay are bailing.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Libertygal]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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I know, I am sorry, I forgot to add the obligatory I hate the government hate speech to the OP. Just presenting the facts won't get you many stars or flags.




posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
I know, I am sorry, I forgot to add the obligatory I hate the government hate speech to the OP. Just presenting the facts won't get you many stars or flags.




I think you did very well.

Of course, the "I hate XXXXXX" is populist and thus garners more reactionary flags stars and responses.... but when is that ever the point?

Ultimately, this legislative artifact is not about Universal health Care... It's about health care reform. Now, what form that effort takes is the issue; you see the entrenched agendas which our 'representatives' are married to, want to control that reform. And our representatives are only too willing to oblige...

Making it a law that citizens must have health insurance is not equivalent to 'universal' health care; it's mandated coverage.

The establishment operates on the principle that this can be marketed as a reform for the better, regardless of its eventual impact.

Bottom line: The state of American Health Care is price-fixed insurance, devoid of monopoly and collusion oversight, it is in effect a revenue generating arm of the financial industry who uses the legitimacy of medical need to force the injured and infirmed towards a single-legal-solution at the price fo their choosing. Politicans call it 'cost' as if it had nothing to do with 'profit.'

It is capilitstic exploitation in its most succesful guise. Protected by government, controlled by corporate-influenced "public" servants, deeply intertwined with academic and research professionals.... what more could you want?

Merry Christmas....



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Making it a law that citizens must have health insurance is not equivalent to 'universal' health care; it's mandated coverage.


Which is something that I am against with this new legislation. This proposed legislation is basically like car insurance, and the part about making it mandatory for employers to cover employees will cost me my job.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Wonderful
whts next? Death taxes even though you have decades to go??? obama screwed us over...thanks goeroge bush 2.
seems theirs 2 ways outta this..we ALL become homeless, OR we ALL select the cheapest insurance agency..most of the big ones would fold up and crumble



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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do you want to know the ironic part?

they left out the INTREST on top of the 871 billion LOL



who gets the intrest? The F E D

huh? Yep.. look it up

Just want to add for dems and repubs and indies...

Your POTUS is not the problem

THE FED IS

kill the fed you fix the problem "ask ron paul" hes the only one with a brain it seems...

[edit on 24-12-2009 by 13579]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Maxmars
 



Making it a law that citizens must have health insurance is not equivalent to 'universal' health care; it's mandated coverage.


Which is something that I am against with this new legislation. This proposed legislation is basically like car insurance, and the part about making it mandatory for employers to cover employees will cost me my job.


But it's NOT like car insurance. You are only required to carry car insurance if YOU WANT TO DRIVE!

This bill requires EVERYONE to carry health insurance if they don't want to be fined or go to jail.

Plain old EXTORTION.

CBO Letter to Senator Bayh

Examine the table on the last page. Once you use their figures and do a little basic math, you'll see how corrupt this garbage is.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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The fed? you mean the Goldman Sach and JP Morgans out there that has been investing in the health care reform. right.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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just pointing out the facts..

invest in? they created it lol

"the dolla"



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by infinite
 


Well they're not providing healthcare, they are forcing us to buy insurance. The whole reason this started is because people think the insurance system is failing, but now we're forced through law to buy it or be criminals.

The insurance here in america is no guarantee that you'll get health care. If this was about getting people the health care they need, I'd be in the streets cheering.


well now we all need to be proactive and ensure the insurance abomination mandate brings the politician great loads of grief.

Should have taken the socialism, now we get fascism

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Janky Red]



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