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The U.S. Senate has passed an $871 billion health care reform plan.

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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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The Senate has just passed their version of the Health Care bill.


Washington (CNN) -- The Senate has passed an $871 billion health care reform bill.

Senators voted 60-39 shortly after 7 a.m. to pass the bill, the centerpiece of President Obama's domestic agenda. The bill now moves to a conference committee to reconcile differences with the version passed by the House of Representatives.

The Senate health care bill cleared a third and final procedural hurdle Wednesday as Democrats successfully limited remaining debate time on the $871 billion measure.

That vote, also 60-39 along party lines, set up Thursday's vote on final passage.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Source: www.cnn.com...

I will add more information as it becomes available.

(insert obligatory anti establishment crap here)

[edit on 12/24/2009 by whatukno]




posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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Yes, please keep us updated.
And note that the price of that bill is the predicted total for ten years, as it has always been.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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another nail in americas coffin...

so long to the old way, in with the new,
its just another day, much like what we just went through


sigh....



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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reply to post by wx4caster
 


So providing health care to your citizens is immoral? I do not understand certain Americans - you guys moan and accuse your government of not caring. And when they do, apparently they are all communists!

Jesus, Obama should cut all foreign aid too. Can't do humanity in politics.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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reply to post by infinite
 


Well they're not providing healthcare, they are forcing us to buy insurance. The whole reason this started is because people think the insurance system is failing, but now we're forced through law to buy it or be criminals.

The insurance here in america is no guarantee that you'll get health care. If this was about getting people the health care they need, I'd be in the streets cheering.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Americans see there country as somewhere people ran too to escape socialist ideas. Escaping the church and uk government, meant freedom.

I see nothing wrong with america being like everywhere else.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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i live in Poland and we have gov run health care - belive me good days are over for ya ... want a mri? hah wait 6 months ...

its all like that



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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I'm aware the public option could still come about, believe House Democrats are still pushing for it? Please correct me if I am wrong



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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Sorry my friend but this bill has nothing to do with "providing health care for Americas? this bill is about to handling the working class tax payer to private insurance by mandate in silver plater as the biggest bailout in the nation after the wealthy class the same wealthy class that is supposed to be gouge to pay for the bill, occurs we all know who really pay the bills in the nation, the dying middle class.

Is not such thing as a citizen give away by our corporate run government.



[edit on 24-12-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
Americans see there country as somewhere people ran too to escape socialist ideas. Escaping the church and uk government, meant freedom.


Ermm....how is that escaping socialism? Marx was against organised religion. If we want to be rather technical, republicanism is a left wing philosophy. The right, ye old Tories, were in favour of the State, church and Crown. Whigs were liberal and republican supporters.

Thomas Paine ideas can be described as modern day socialism.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:31 AM
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the public option will still cost money, and if you get insurance through work you won't qualify.

Lets say i have a part time job, I make too much to be considered poor, but I have to buy insurance through work by law. Now to cut costs the job uses a cheap insurer, and I can't change this insurer I'm stuck with it.

This insurance does not cover a litany of things, and I have huge out of pocket expenses, and I have to pay what they call 'deductibles". If I do have an emergency and have to seek care, there's no guarantee the insurance will cover my expenses. I could be driven to bankruptcy under this system. believe me I've seen it.

If we were talking about healthcare that gave me the right to see doctors and hospitals as needed, I'd again be cheering. This law in the senate just makes me buy insurance, and it simply is not the same.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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They are still working out the caps on the amount you will pay for insurance but the figures they are working with are between 8% - 14% of your total income and no more...after that your insurance costs will be subsidized which may make it cheaper than it is now for a large percentage of the middle class. Do the math...maybe you will be better off, though no one wants to be forced into the welfare class by being subsidized. The mandates have to go.

I'm still for Medicare for all. I think that would ultimately be cheaper, less cumbersome for the whole country. It's also the humane and civilized thing to do.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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I understand your point, but the bill isn't finalized and I simply don't have faith in them anymore. They've made it obvious they're not listening to us and it reeks as a huge give away to the companies.

I'm for single payer, which is like medicare for all. Call me a socialist but it's the only way to guarantee everyone gets healthcare, and from my digging around online would actually be cheaper in the long run.

It would mean it would be a tax, but at least then I would know that money is going to actually pay for true healthcare for all, and not just making some ceo richer.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by wx4caster
 


So providing health care to your citizens is immoral? I do not understand certain Americans - you guys moan and accuse your government of not caring. And when they do, apparently they are all communists!

Jesus, Obama should cut all foreign aid too. Can't do humanity in politics.


Wait until some jerk you did not elect is in control of healthcare and then let's see if you're still so enthusiastic about letting the government have control over so much money and many lives.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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Actually is proposed legislation under the senate bill to cut Medicare, now I have not clue how far this is going as today, because now the house bill wants 33 million of Americans to fall under Medicare so how can they do that with cuts.

I wonder.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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The fact that it is not the final version, i think is irrelevant, they got it through. So they have the legislation, as we have seen from the past, and the people in congress just want there pork, and it gets done.

At least one day america will be like everywhere else.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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I am thank you.
Been treated for two serious illnesses. Did not have to wait, medication was free, specialists were free and I was cured. Plus, I still have two personal doctors and there is no waiting time.

Brilliant, right?

No rationed health care, death panels or this bizarre "not everyone is equal" - but I don't listen to FOX and worldnutdaily for health care advice




posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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I know you are defending universal health care that is what you have in the UK I believe, but remember this the US universal health care is none existent in any of the bills, also we are the only nation in the world that its health runs at higher rates, due to the fact that our health care is privatized, now how can government promise affordable health care when we are to become a nation that will have mandatory private health care run by the same crocks that are gouging consumers in the health care system?.

The health care reform in congress is a hoax and joke an unconstitutional bill to give power to private insurance to be able to go after the tax payer with mandatory legislation.

This mandatory legislation was written by the private insurance they were the ones that wants to impose fines and penalties with warnings of jail time if you don't buy their products, ( that goes againts the constitutional rights of free citizens)

In the US insurance companies are not regulated they run the nation with unfair practices, unrestricted fees and corruption, they pay our politicians to do what they want and anybody with a brain knows that nothing good is coming out of this health care bill.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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I don't know if I'm just missing something here, but, with mandatory health care, what do the homeless and jobless do? What about the people with no money for health care, what do they do? Do they just get tossed in prison when they don't pay the government fines?

And what if we're talking about people living "off the grid"?

Can someone clear this up?



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by eradown
 


I am thank you.
Been treated for two serious illnesses. Did not have to wait, medication was free, specialists were free and I was cured. Plus, I still have two personal doctors and there is no waiting time.

Brilliant, right?

No rationed health care, death panels or this bizarre "not everyone is equal" - but I don't listen to FOX and worldnutdaily for health care advice



Move over here and let the Rockefeller family take care of you. They love us. They make sure we have melamine, and soy oil in our food ,they make sure we have mercury, and squalene in our vaccines, ,and they make sure we have flouride ,and lithium in our water. They make sure our cancer patients recieve the highest dosages of radiation and chemo therapy. They also viciously protect us from all medicinal herbs. They are even trying to protect us from vitamins. They are great people ;you should let them control your healthcare also. With them working day and night on a one world government they may even gain control of every ones healthcare not just ours.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by eradown]



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