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If health care reform is right for America, why did 15 Senators need bribes? Who exactly got what?

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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:41 AM
My question of the day is:

How many of you would willingly take a cut in military spending?

Here is a scary fact. The US could cut military spending, in half. And still be 4 times larger then the next country, which is China.

The US makes up 41% of the worlds spending on military.

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
These Politicians are crooks.

They waste and spend money and then pay each other off with bribes using tax payer dollars like it's play money.

This is why Harry Reid worked behind closed doors.

Anyone with half a brain knows this will increase the debt. We already have over 12 trillion in debt, they just raised the debt ceiling and 150 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

The way you get around this is lie with a straight face to the American people.

The CBO is a joke. They just score a bill based on your assumptions. So the Politicians play with the numbers and they make Bernie Madoff look like a saint.

This is why the bill is front loaded with taxes and medicare cuts that will never happen.

They will not cut Medicare by half a trillion dollars. This is a joke.

If I sent the CBO projections that say I will be a millionaire in 10 years and I factor in me hitting the lottery in 2 years, the CBO would say if all of these assumptions hold then I will be a millionaire in 10 years.

They admitted the Bill will increase the debt because you can't use the same money to reduce the debt and increase the life of Medicare for 9-10 years like Reid and Obama have been saying.

The budget gimmick's forced their hand.

These people just waste and spend our money. They waste and spend wealth that hasn't even been created yet.

Like Nany Pelosi spent $3,000 on flowers. People will say 3,000 dollars is nothing. The fact is, Pelosi is a multi-millionaire. She couldn't spring for flowers?

We pay Magazine prescriptions for these people, gas and every little thing. This is why the percentage of millionaires is high in Congress. Over half of the Congress are millionaires.

I get what oped is saying. But it is not as simple as they are simply rich and only working for their industrial counterparts. It may be they are the only ones who can afford to campain. They are the only ones who can afford the elite schools that seem to be a requirement these days. And maybe they are the only ones with ambitions. It could also be looked at the other way, they have the power and money to keep working at 7 figure jobs, but they choose not too.

When is the last time you have gone out and campaigned?

Oh-oh! Politicians share personality traits with serial killers: Study

Using his law enforcement experience and data drawn from the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, Jim Kouri has collected a series of personality traits common to a couple of professions.

Kouri, who's a vice president of the National Assn. of Chiefs of Police, has assembled traits such as superficial charm, an exaggerated sense of self-worth, glibness, lying, lack of remorse and manipulation of others.

These traits, Kouri points out in his analysis, are common to psychopathic serial killers.

So people are guilty because of trait association?

I know people with these traits that are pefectly functional. A person can have a trait, like intelligence, and go really wrong or really good. It depends on their decisions.

There are only a few serial killers, so that comparison is kind of flawed.

But -- and here's the part that may spark some controversy and defensive discussion -- these traits are also common to American politicians. (Maybe you already suspected.)

This is why I couldn't vote for Obama. He said in a 2001 radio interview that the Constitution is fundamentally flawed because it restrains government and doesn't talk about redistribution of wealth.

So? It also doesn't cover the rights of women and minorities. It was designed to be changed as needed. The foundign fathers knew this. If it was the perfect document, then they would not of allowed Congress to be able to vote in amendments.

If it doesn't stop, pretty soon they will remove the Constitution as a barrier to their lust for power through martial law if they have to.

It takes a lot to change the Constitution.

Also, lets not forget, there is a very quiet hidden power in government. If the federal government tries to pass a law that is so agregious, the governors off all states can vote to anull it. But they must all agree to vote.

See this is the problem with ATS. They keep forgetting about states rights. And that we still have state governments. Everyone keeps complaining about the federal government, yet they keep forgetting about the states. So it is a self fullfilling prophecy.

Governors talk to each other. The feds can weild power by withholding money. But the states can do the same and withhold taxes. And there have been threats.

Our governor was elected because he actually stood up to Bush as mayor of Baltimore. When Bush was going to give security over to an Arabian company. Enough local politicians made enough noise to make him back down. Want to balk the federal government? Then start electing smart and competent local politicians. Funny how nobody cares what they do.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) spent $2,993 in taxpayer money on flowers between June and October. House Majority Whip James Clyburn has a thing for Chantilly Donuts, spending about $265 at the Virginia shop in the past quarter.]

When you are dealing with trillions of dollars, 3,00o is not very much. Seriously, this is nitpicking of the worst. Is it stupid and wasteful? yes. I am not arguing the point of wasteful spending. But when money is wasted in the millions, focusing on flowers is just detracting from real issues.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) racked up about $24,617 in catering costs. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) spent about $1,561 in bottled water and House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) spent no money on water but a touch over $18,000 in food. House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) spent about $24,116 on food and beverage

And these are parties Congress peoples and politicians have done all along. People only notice now because we are in a recession. Again, when millions are being wasted, bottled water and food is not a big issue.

We are in debt up to our eyeballs and they can't pay for their own donuts?

As your first article pointed out, they are not making very much money. Most staffers barely make anything. And we expect extremely qualified people for very little money. And whether you like it or not, they work very long hours and have little personal lives. So if someone is getting paid half of what they are worht to do public service, they can buy some donuts they like.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by nixie_nox because I suck at quoting quotes, sorry!]

[edit on 24-12-2009 by nixie_nox]

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 10:19 AM
reply to post by nixie_nox

This is why these people get away with so much corruption. You said:

And these are parties Congress peoples and politicians have done all along. People only notice now because we are in a recession. Again, when millions are being wasted, bottled water and food is not a big issue.

This occurs with both the republican and democrat parties.

People who blindly support these people will say these things are no big deal. So taxpyer money can be spent and wasted by democrats and useful idiots in the democrat party will say no big deal. The same with the republicans. I remember making these same arguments about Bush and republicans defended his wasteful borrowing and spending just like the democrats are doing now with Obama, Pelosi, Reid.

Have you looked at the debt clock lately? Who do you think is going to pay for all this waste? My children and grandchildren. They will be born debt slaves because of people like you saying these things are not a big issue.

$12,161,290,479,707 in DEBT and it keeps growing with each breath we take.

$54,609,275,587,050 in TOTAL DEBT and it keeps growing with every breath we take.

Who is going to pay for all of this massive spending in a global economy with cheap labor? Americans can't produce enough jobs or the kind of jobs to sustain this debt.

We could have a behemoth of a government years ago because years ago you had corporations with most of their companies located in the United States. Now it's spread out in the global economy and this is why we are at 10% unemployment. The bigger government gets, the more debt we incur. We can't pay this debt and support this massive government in a global economy with cheap labor.

The Constitution is not fundamentally flawed because it restrains government and doesn't talk about the redistribution of wealth. It restrains government so no government or man could impede on the rights of the individual.

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 10:30 AM
reply to post by genius/idoit

Its just how the game works.

They know they are needed, and they use this to get what they want.

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 01:45 PM
reply to post by Matrix Rising

It is not reasonable to look at things like a debt clock. The nationald deficit isn't like a checking account, money and money out. It is a very complicated creature, that takes team of people and agencies to keep track off, not in a little box on a web page.

How we get the money and how we spend it is not that simple. A lot of it is investments, bonds, and a million other things. It is not necessarily a debt that has to be repaid.

There is always going to be a debt. It is actually economically sound. Just like there always has to be unemployment. A functional economoy doesn't have a perfect balance.

Our debt still hasn't reached levels post WWII.

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:16 PM
reply to post by nixie_nox


You are not making any sense. Only a person that blindly follows these crooks would say we shouldn't pay attention to the debt clock.

We have to pay this back. Or kids and grandkids will be saddled with this debt.

Post World War 2 debt has nothing to do with it. We are in a global economy with cheap labor. This means our manufacturing base will be hit.

We will not create enough jobs or the kind of jobs to sustain this massive government and this massive debt.

This is because small business needs credit in order to expand their businesses and put people to work. They can't do this with a massive government and massive debt and you will have a credit crunch.

People talk about green jobs but green jobs are not magic jobs. They will be outsourced to.

Barack Obama and his green guru, Van Jones, have a green-collar job plan that they believe will solve the two biggest crises of our time: 5 million new green-collar jobs will directly stimulate the economy and will contribute to a more sustainable future in the face of coming climate change. But the 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, an annual industry study conducted by Brown-Wilson Group, found that green technology jobs are being created faster in India than in the US since Obama took office.

The report, which was released two weeks ago, surveyed 4,000 businesses around the world, including Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot. Doug Brown, co-author of the Green Outsourcing Report, told The New Indian Express, “We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms.”

Soaring energy costs and regulatory pressure have put pressure on firms in the US and Europe to embrace green technologies. 84% of companies outsourcing green jobs are doing so because of skyrocketing energy costs, compared to 12% and 18% in the past few years, respectively. Most corporations seeking to outsource a service or product require impeccable green credentials in their suppliers before handing over work, the report says.

US corporations, focusing on survival strategies during the long-lasting recession, have offshored more than 22,000 new green-collar jobs to India alone. Firms seeking stabilized energy and labor costs while trying to convince consumers of their eco-friendly practices are more often turning to Indian green-collar workers than American ones, according to Brown-Wilson Group. Indian labor suppliers have become popular with American businesses over the last few years by aggressively investing in appropriate hardware, waste disposal, recycling, eco-friendly buildings and other green technologies.

Obama and the democrats are destroying the economy with things like this health care bill and then they want cap and tax.

It's just common sense. You can't have a massive government and massive government debt in a global economy with cheap labor.

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 05:46 PM
It doesn't really matter what is in the healthcare bill. Whatever it is, and besides they can change it to whatever they want once they get total power, but it gives the federal government the power to control your life, whether you live or die. As long as you are healthy and don't irritate the government you may be ok, but the country is in deep trouble

posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 08:42 PM
reply to post by genius/idoit

I know, how deplorable, that we had to bribe our own senators in order to get them to vote against the lobby groups that were bribing them to vote the other way. ASTOUNDING!

posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:17 AM
yeah..but health care has electrolytes

You guys oughta know this.


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