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War has been declared! Against the American People

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


I don't even know what a warn button is, sorry.
I answered only in an honest way. That kind of thinking puts a person in the irellevant zone in my book. i've worked in politics on a local and national level since 1968. when people spout their silly "them" theories is see no reason not to call them on it. Did you not notice the insulting tone of his comment? Seems like a personal attack on me.
I'm not complaining mind you, just responding to what HE said to me!

[edit on 25-12-2009 by OldDragger]




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


I don't even know what a warn button is, sorry.
I answered only in an honest way. That kind of thinking puts a person in the irellevant zone in my book. i've worked in politics on a local and national level since 1968. when people spout their silly "them" theories is see no reason not to call them on it. Did you not notice the insulting tone of his comment? Seems like a personal attack on me.
I'm not complaining mind you, just responding to what HE said to me!

[edit on 25-12-2009 by OldDragger]


No but I did notice the insulting remarks you've made. Since you have worked in politics since 1968 one would think you would have developed thicker skin by now. Or maybe you, much like many politicians these days, believe that mudslinging and dirty politics is an admirable quality. I don't know, I just thought it prudent to encourage a user who has clearly been warned by the mods once, to not get caught up in the pointless insults.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Donny 4 million
 


Wow! what a theory! I think I first encountered that about, uh, 45 years ago. How angst ridden and..intense!

Ever work in politics? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sure thats beneath you!
your too awake!
Politics has been politics since time began, just because you are "ignorant" of how the world works doesn't mean you have figured anything out. Spare me the teen drama of discovering 'life is not fair, money is power"!


Well GOLLY GEE big knife let the youngsters partake.
Thanks for the star.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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THE GOVERNMENT OF THE US, has been passing UNLAWFUL(unConstitutional if you want the simple explanation-but UNLAWFUL has a much more rich path than just our Constitution-it basically has to do WITH GOD'S LAW) legislation for numerous decades. LAWS against our DAMN RIGHTS.


According to you! Thats MY point! Gods laws my foot.So God wrote the Constitution? You seem to be quite angry, I'm not too crazy about ANYBODY so angry and seemingly sel righteous decided anything about my freedoms one way or the other. You seem to think i should accept your view, simply because you say so! You have called those that don't see it your way a host of names, sheeple, idiots, etc. Seems like what you want on ATS is a mutual admiration society where we can stand in awe of your vast wisdom. I'll say what I want, you SHOULD be defending my right to say it!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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Which insulting remarks are those? Calling posters idiots, sheeple? Ignorant?> Was that me?
Do you have any clue how nasty politics was in America in the 19th century? As for a thick skin, it's so interesting how posters can call others names, even fling around accusations of treason , being government schills, paid disinfo agents
and everything else, but you object when a poster says "thats the most ignorant thing I've ever heard" in response to my post, and I call him on it and accuse me of "attacking".
God what hypocracy!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Donny 4 million
 


Wow! what a theory! I think I first encountered that about, uh, 45 years ago. How angst ridden and..intense!

Ever work in politics? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sure thats beneath you!
your too awake!
Politics has been politics since time began, just because you are "ignorant" of how the world works doesn't mean you have figured anything out. Spare me the teen drama of discovering 'life is not fair, money is power"!


I am just guessing here, but based upon your provacations I think you saw the warn button on Donny's avatar and willfully attempted to provoke that user into responding in a way that would earn him a second warning. Don't fall for it, Donny. Keep your cool and respond with reason and patience. Never let them drag you down.


Hey thanks Jean,
Not to worry. The old dull rusty knife and I butt heads often of late.
What the heck would we do without folks like that.
Just hang out and agree that we are under attack?
Or provoke those parasites and predators that are attacking against America.
Provoke with ammo.



[edit on 25-12-2009 by Donny 4 million]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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I will fight for your right to say anything you want.

I will fight for your children and your children's children etc etc to not have to live in slavery for the rest of their lives in infinity to a ballooning deficit held by a PRIVATE BANK THAT OWNS THE US.

I will also fight for your and my right to retain our right to the sweat of OUR labor.

Some estimates of the actual effective tax rate on the American People right now is at 60%. I myself believe it is more like 75%.

Their is over 600,000 statuatory laws in the US.

Not laws pertaining to Constitutional laws, but corporate laws-UCC.

We have Admiralty Courts now. Not even related to any shape or form for our protections.

WE HAVE NO RIGHTS.

The government shall make no laws that will infringe on......................

Ever hear that stated somewhere?

Patriot Act.

Renditions.

Federal Control of every State decision due to their control of the money.

etc etc etc.

Do I need go on?

But thanks for deflecting this thread right from the beginning, YOU *******.

That is what a normal CoIntelPro does.

I was asking for solutions, all you mention are FALLACIES.

Well, I add you to my IGNORE LIST.

At least thread has brought out two.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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Or provoke those parasites and predators that are attacking.


Just had to throw that in!
And you think that's not name calling? Where did I do that to you?Tell me.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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But thanks for deflecting this thread right from the beginning, YOU *******.

That is what a normal CoIntelPro does.


Speaking of name calling. I hold THIS truth to be obvious!
Ok guys, I'll stay out of your thread. Happy now! Jeez. How dissapointing.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Which insulting remarks are those? Calling posters idiots, sheeple? Ignorant?> Was that me?
Do you have any clue how nasty politics was in America in the 19th century? As for a thick skin, it's so interesting how posters can call others names, even fling around accusations of treason , being government schills, paid disinfo agents
and everything else, but you object when a poster says "thats the most ignorant thing I've ever heard" in response to my post, and I call him on it and accuse me of "attacking".
God what hypocracy!


Okay, I am not going to waste my time dearailing this thread over your thin skin. I said it before I will say it now, I felt compelled to encourage Donny to not get caught up in the name calling, that is all. If you chose to call me a hypocrite for doing so, that is your choice.

Now, back to the unlawful acts and usurpations of this government...



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Donny 4 million
 


Or provoke those parasites and predators that are attacking.


Just had to throw that in!
And you think that's not name calling? Where did I do that to you?Tell me.

I didn't say you did but if the shoe fits?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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You seem to be a idealistic type of person , that can identify right from

wrong. You realize things are not the way they should be.

There has been no WAR declared on the US pop.

That battle was fought and LOST a long time ago, you the American

people lost that is. The system of government is a 2 headed monster

of the same beast .

Democrat Republican

What's the difference.

Nothing your e-mails, letters, phone calls will ever accomplish, for there

are 340 million sheep that enjoy the branding iron, and feeding

at the trough.

The power brokers will never relinquish their power to pion's.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Let me at least be fair since you are trapped easily.
Question for old dagger.
Are you American?
If America as it was known in 1962 were under attack would you die for the country?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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And you live where, on cloud nine?
Folks like you live with a gun to your heads and have nothing left but
a shared computer in the village.
How long did it take you to get your turn?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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Hey Friend

I call it like I see it , if you think the US is the same kind of country

it was 40 years ago.

Mr Smith goes to Washington.

Than you are a fortunate soul, but if you can just look real hard, Those

Trees are just past that Forest.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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Well....let us bring this thread back to what it is about....laws and legislation that has been placed upon a people knowingly and wittingly to be unconstitutional



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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I will fight for your right to say anything you want.


Somehow I doubt that, from what I have read, you it seems that you would fight anyone that disagrees with you.


Some estimates of the actual effective tax rate on the American People right now is at 60%. I myself believe it is more like 75%.


Care to back that up with any evidence at all? Or are you just trying to use misinformation to prove your point?


Their is over 600,000 statuatory laws in the US.


Most of which, never affect you in the slightest.


The government shall make no laws that will infringe on......................


Well, that's from the 2nd Amendment Singularly. If that is all your worried about, you have nothing to worry about, you can still buy a gun, fact of the matter is gun sales are higher now than ever. But I know, "der takin' ma' gunz away!


But thanks for deflecting this thread right from the beginning, YOU *******.


Nice!


That is what a normal CoIntelPro does.

I was asking for solutions, all you mention are FALLACIES.

Well, I add you to my IGNORE LIST.


I guess your of the opinion that if someone disagrees with you, then they are automatically CoIntelPro and so you should ignore them. How enlightened!



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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Nearly all of you are utterly disrespectful. If you were in the same room, it'd be fist fights over this.

Mature and discuss, but the bantering is so draining I can't side with anyone.

When you settle down and can be civil and NOT ALL THIS, SHUT THE FRACK UP...

people will actually listen to you. OP is starting trouble. I'd have your account suspended if it were up to me. Learn to deliver a message without sounding like an anarchist. Even an anarchist can be civil without the hollering and insults.



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Let me ask you this.

1) Do you have a roof over your head
2) Do you have food to eat
3) Do you have clothes on your back

If you can answer yes to these three questions then you are doing better then most of the world. It sounds to me (and I may be wrong) like your trying to get people behind you to start a revolution, overthrow the government. Ok, then what???? Who would run the government, who would provide us with the conforts that we now take for granted and think we have to have. Despite our current economic status we are still one of if not thee most powerfull countries in the world. We enjoy far more freedoms then any other country in the world. Does our government have its problems, YES but what government doesn't? Could we spend our money better hell yes.

Let me guess, Your pissed about having to pay more in taxes, two wars, riseing prices, stalled pay. Guess what thats life. Dont get me wrong I'm no fan of the Government. Personally I think we should fire every poliction from govenor up. But that another post. The simple fact that no matter what the people in power will become curropt. But you should count your blessings that you dont live in a country that would kill you for this post, Or even lives in a country that will allow you to get on the internet.

Take a good long hard look around and you will see that we do not have it that bad.



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
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Some estimates of the actual effective tax rate on the American People right now is at 60%. I myself believe it is more like 75%.


Where are these estimates coming from. Can we get links?


Their is over 600,000 statuatory laws in the US.


It is my understanding that these laws are built off the fed laws and narrow a overly broad law. So what is the problem with this


Not laws pertaining to Constitutional laws, but corporate laws-UCC.

So big corps should nat have laws to be held to?


We have Admiralty Courts now. Not even related to any shape or form for our protections.

In the United States, the federal district courts have jurisdiction over all admiralty and maritime actions; see 28 U.S.C. § 1333.

In recent years, a conspiracy argument used by tax protesters is that an American court displaying an American flag with a gold fringe is in fact an "admiralty court" and thus has no jurisdiction. Courts have repeatedly dismissed this as frivolous.[2]


WE HAVE NO RIGHTS.

What rights do we not have? I can still go outside and voice my opinion about whoever and whatever I want, so long as I'm pushing violence. I can still go out and buy a gun. I still have the right to a trial by jury, no double jeperdy, Im not being forced to be a certain religen. So what right do I not have?


The government shall make no laws that will infringe on......................

Ever hear that stated somewhere?

You know the first part of the first admenment. good for you.


Patriot Act.

And you will be one of the first people screaming that the government should have done something the next time we are attacked



Federal Control of every State decision due to their control of the money.


Last time I checked Federal trumped state. This is a none issue. You have state law then you have fed law. You have state supreme court then you have the United States Supreme Court. Also no the Feds do not control every decision the state makes. But yes if the state is not complying with feds then yes they can trump them.



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