Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by Matrix Rising
I've heard that before how we do not actually touch anything. Amazing really.
I don't understand this interpretation. Sure we "touch" something. It may actually be an electrical field from an electron shell interacting with
another but that's good enough to count in my book.
Matter and conscousness do not actually, for want of better term, stick to each other. They are not really in contact. I surprise some people
when I say that the soul is not actually in the world.
Per my first statement, what is "contact"? What's "the world"? As far as I can observe there's only one world regardless if our familiar
material one is not the totality of it.
The soul is controlling the mind-body in the same way the humans control the avatars in the movie Avatar. It is not actually in the
Sort of. It's not quite like jumping in a vehicle but the body is more of a place to focus the processes that constitute a human manifestation.
I agree with you on the materialist fundamentalists that have swamped this thread.
They don't seem to realise that science no longer supports a material world.
Man, I hate to side with sirnex on this one but your interpretations of things do tend to have a sensationalist quality. The difference is I'll just
be straight about my views without ad homs and anger, of which I have none.
How is that science is debunked if it in fact produced the evidence of something that is different than perception would lead you to conclude or even
if it's own investigations turn up unexpected and unaccounted for phenomena?
How is particles as forces, fields and probabilities not a material world? What is the working definition of a "material world" for you? Big, solid
things that are really real in the way they appear?
Help me out here. I'm not really certain where you stand.
I'll give credit to sirnex though in that he makes it clear where he stands. Thus, I know how to engage him in compatible discourse.
The so-called many interpetations of QM is cling onto the material world, when in fact it is slipping away day by day.
Which now? MWI, collapse and decoherence are clinging? Would consciousness as the reason for resolving a system into a particular state from the set
of all possible states not also be an interpretation?
Well, as it happens with all new scientific paradigms; as soon as the evidence builds up and become too overwhelming to deny anymore, the old
paradigm will come crumbling down.
This is what it should do when there is sufficient evidence that models must be refined, sure. I have no problem. Real science shouldn't have an ego.
Clearly any such property is that of the individual people involved.
I see alot of clinging going on all over the place, material or spiritual. I'll agree with the Buddhists that these attachments are indeed the cause
It is only a matter of time before new-age science takes over.
I don't think we will quite recognize what grows out of all this. Somehow I doubt it will be strictly "New Age" in nature. Frankly I despise the
misleading crap that come out of it because it's actually damaging to spiritual attainment. It's feel good, sound good nonsense for "your" ego, so
that "you" can feel "Oh, I'm so spiritual 'n' stuff." No, "you" are not even on the bloody path (well, technically everyone is but just
making it all take longer).
Nothing in my quests suggests science will move aside for anything resembling "pure" spirituality of old nor that it should. The consciousness, the
subjective aspect, will be given its proper role and attention. No theory of everything can ignore that and be a TOE.
Ok, ok. It's time to calm down and go have a good time (by examining ethanol-induced qualia, which I hardly ever do).