Both me and my grandfather existed in this reality at one point. About three years ago he died of complications with his health and yet despite
his death, this same reality that we both existed in when he was alive is still here in which I continue to exist within it. Irregardless of him not
being here to see that it is still her, it is indeed still here.
I don't think you get the point of the exercise. The point of the exercise was to ask does reality exist after your conscousness ceases? While you
and your grandfather exist, you are there to see reality, but after you cease to exist there is no such thing as reality. To assert that reality
still exists even when you are not there to see it is a belief. It is logically possible that your entire experience of reality, including your
grandfather was a dream and that dream ends as soon as your consciousness ceases.
You have no way of testing whether there is a reality as soon as you cease to exist. So to make certain statements that there definitely is one after
you exist is not a statement of reason, but a belief.
The point of the exercise is to show that you only believe
there is a reality that can exist independent of you - you have no proof of it.
Now that I think of it, the question itself is utterly ridiculous and moot to the point. As you've now clarified that in your opinion it is
your concept of God who observes reality, then inherently reality will still exist regardless of us individually living or not. As long as something
is in a state of being, there will always be a universe, accordingly by your own biased opinions.
Now let us complicate reality a little, as you now understand my concept of god. Yes, you are right, there is a reality that willl continue to exist
even at the death of the body - but not if conscousness ceases. Humans share a reality that they can agree on, but this is because they have similar
minds that access reality in the same way. However, not all creatures have the same mind as us and will access reality in the same way. If a human
looks at a chair they will see something different to what a bird sees. If you were capable of seeing atoms, you would see something completely
Therefore something does indeed exist, but it is not independent of us, but appears in relation to how we observe. It is then by definition not a real
something, because realism is the philosophy that there are things out there that are independent of us. However, in actuality, nothing is independent
of us but depends upon our observation of it.
Now let me complicate it further. You know now that I am saying that the real observer is god. Does this mean there is one supreme observer and many
human observers? No, because there is no such thing as a human obsever. If you try to define personal identity you will find it is a changing complex
depending on memories, names, beliefs, values, social interactions, body etc. Thus the human personality is not a real being or a real thing. It is an
illusion of self. Therefore there is only ONE observer and it is not the human. This observer is eternal. Therefore the death of the human
personality does not mean the end of consciousness.
If you have followed the reasoning up until now you will be able to draw the conclusion that there is no reality without consciousness. This
consciousness cannot die, because it is never born. It is the beingness and it is eternal and infinite. It is due to this consciousness that there is
any reality at all.
OK, fine I will concede that we are all philosophical zombies that possess no consciousness at all, that we only act as if we do.
You are closer than you think. Yes, the human is the living dead. Insofar as the human identifies itself as a thinking thing, it is not really. The
human is not the real thinker. It is not the real self. It is just a personality complex that changes from moment to moment. As soon as you allow your
consciousness to become misidentified with this personality complex you become the living dead.
The personality complex is just one part of a complex mental structure. The personality complex dies at death along with body, but your mind continues
on in another plane of reality in a subtle-body. Much like your dream-body in dream.
[edit on 23-12-2009 by Indigo_Child]