The TRUTH of Freemasonry

reply to post by dinahshore

A woman can be a Mason, but those Lodges are considered irregular and clandestine; not recognized by any Grand Lodge. Now there is the Order of the Eastern Star, Daughters of the Nile, and Jobs Daughters (youth group). There is a requirement to be related to a Mason, but it used to be immediate family now its a little more lax.

Eastern Star is co-ed while I believe (not 100%) that Daughters of the Nile is female only. Neither is a sewing or cooking club. There are secrets in the appendant bodies (to include OES). Its a fraternity so obviously its a male organization.

Originally posted by Ceptor10
Satanism at its best!

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Funny, since it's required for you to believe and worship God in order to join the mason's, it's what's keeping me from joining(my Father is a mason). And no he doesn't rule the world, he's very much human, and no he's not rich.

Originally posted by the_denv

Originally posted by scooterstrats
This last post went from weird to hilarious quickly. Whats next?

Weird indeed

Hilarious? Well, that is sarcasm at its best

What is next is up to the "so called" Freemasons that claim to know the truth. The video in the OP is nothing but mainstream blue lodge outer circle disinformation. The entire outer circle is purposely the innocence unknowingly protecting the evil that lays within.

Its only hilarious to the un-initiated. trying to understand Freemasonry without having an understanding of Symbolism and the Mystery Religion as taught by HP Blavatsky,A Bailey, A Crowley, MP Hall, A Pike, A Massey, AC Clarke,S Kubrick,G Lucas,R Scott,S Speilberg,HG Welles, MN Shaymalan, W Disney. if you dont realize that you have been shown the doctrine of the Mystery Religion repeatedly, then you dont know what the Mystery Religion truly is.
As always i suggest bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Series beginning with Dawn of Man to give yourself a strating point. the series is around 40 hours long and is only a starting point. Find the books and Documents referenced during his broadcasts and you will be amazed, if not, go back to sleep.

Originally posted by the_denv

Originally posted by scooterstrats
This last post went from weird to hilarious quickly. Whats next?

Weird indeed

Hilarious? Well, that is sarcasm at its best

What is next is up to the "so called" Freemasons that claim to know the truth. The video in the OP is nothing but mainstream blue lodge outer circle disinformation. The entire outer circle is purposely the innocence unknowingly protecting the evil that lays within.

They are the "Veil". You and I see things similarly and it is refreshing to see.

reply to post by SoundTheory


do you have any idea how long one must be a mason in order to be shown the (inner circle)? I have a few mason friends and one has been a mason for over 30 years. He laughs off these claims. It would be nice to be able to let them know when they will be let in on the big secret.

I've never considered Masonry to be anything overly negative or overly positive for how large the group is.

Many of the symbols and such are shared throughout occult, esoteric and ancient practices and in my knowledge again a vast majority of these symbols are not specifically positive or negative in nature.

I see Masonry on many parts being a "gate way" into the secret societies. Most members of other secret societies ARE Masons. And some of these secret societies ARE sometimes negatively influenced, or positively influenced.

reply to post by Sorcha Faal


I don't blame him. That is a hilarious statement!

There's no inner circle to reach. At least not in Freemasonry.

I've seen fellow masons who've dedicated 60 years of their life to the fraternity, with medals and rings and car emblems. Sadly, though, they still view it as a social group or charity society.

I've seen newly raised Master Masons who've traveled extremely far down the path to the East in a few short months.

The simple truth we tell our members at our lodge: You get out of it what you put into it.

I look at the masonic rituals as parables. The candidate plays the main character in the parable as he is escorted around the lodge in the midst of a rather thrilling drama. He may experience bliss, sadness, relief, exhilaration or a sense of peace.

While our rituals have been very toned down due to concerns about "hazing" they are still fairly dramatic. I've found that in the appendant body I joined (York Rite) the ceremonies are much more intricate, involved and emotional.

It's one thing to read a book. It's quite another to live an experience.

So, in a roundabout fashion, I am trying to say there is no timeline in masonry. You can go as far and as deep into the mysteries as you want, in the amount of time you choose.

Freemasonry is not a place for egocentric or power-hungry folks. The desire to rule others is pretty much ruined when you discover that getting along in a harmonious fashion is much more fun and productive.

In fact every Worshipful Master I've met was so ready to turn it over after his year in office it pretty much ruins any sense of 'power' you might want over others.

reply to post by emsed1


But my good sir, don't you see that you are stuck in a paradox? You will never know the true intention of the inner circle until you are invited in, and then you will be sworn a sopper seekret blood oath never to tell about it. So we, as the general public will never be able to trust the words of a mason as he is either unknowing, or out right lying to protect the sooper seekret. If you need further proof, just go to this site to learn all about masonry.

I do not fear death, as nobody should, then you are a freemason.

As long as you truly believe in a God of your choice.

It's all about Numerology/Numbers.

I'm only 18 so they wouldn't let me in so I should expose these secrets.


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Originally posted by Sorcha Faal
reply to post by emsed1

 

But my good sir, don't you see that you are stuck in a paradox? You will never know the true intention of the inner circle until you are invited in, and then you will be sworn a sopper seekret blood oath never to tell about it. So we, as the general public will never be able to trust the words of a mason as he is either unknowing, or out right lying to protect the sooper seekret. If you need further proof, just go to this site to learn all about masonry.

Oh brother!

If freemasonrywatch's the source of your 'knowledge', it's small wonder your assertions are so out there. Getting your information about Freemasonry there's sorta like getting your info about the Vatican from the Westboro Baptist Church.

A whole bag o' salt isn't enough to take what they're selling with.

reply to post by Sorcha Faal

I've been a leader of one body of Freemasonry for the last few years, and I sure would like to know how many I have to lead before they let me into these supposed inner circles.

reply to post by emsed1

I wish I could give you more than one star because as always emsed you hit it on the head, especially about the York Rite.

reply to post by Sorcha Faal

Are you being sarcastic about the site? FreemasonryWatch is a kook site.

reply to post by Sorcha Faal
And your source has been proven false and unreliable by others who have far more knowledge and information on the subject than most here or yourself.So anyone , especially new to this coversation, should waste time reading that site
and come away with an uninformed , predispositioned ,and near unanimously regarded errant opinion on a subject that you yourself have exhibited NO first hand knowledge? Nice, sir/maam. Any facts?

reply to post by Fitzgibbon



I am going to have to dig up the link to the Ephesians 5-11 site. It's much more dramatic. LOL!

reply to post by Sorcha Faal


Here is another good one for you:

Masons Make Baby Jesus Cry

Ephesians 5:11 is hilarious, albeit extremely hostile towards Masonry and Freemasons.

They encourage Freemasons to join in on the discussions, but it's only for the purpose of demonising, misrepresenting and eventually banning them when they fail to "convert" to the moderator's myopic fanaticist world-view.

reply to post by Roark

I know where I'm going next

Originally posted by KSigMason

reply to post by Sorcha Faal

 

Are you being sarcastic about the site? FreemasonryWatch is a kook site.

actually, the entire post was sarcastic. I see how the circular logic works. You can't win. And I know that site is full of nut jobs. The first two paragraphs will tell you that. I just saw some others use it as a source and thought that would add to the irony.

I'm not a mason but the Catholic ZCHurch's position on freemasonry is interesting.

Influenced by the statements of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and the reversal of the short lived drift toward ecumenicism, in 1985 the United States Bishops Committee

for Pastoral Research and Practices published a report entitled "Masonry & Naturalistic Religion"39. The Pastoral Research & Practices Committee Report states that while one can no longer be excommunicated for being a Mason, it is none the less sinful to

belong to Masonic organizations. The rationale is that the principles of Masonry are irreconcilable with those of the church. The report goes on to quote a six year study of Masonry by the bishops of Germany and the study of American Masonry by Professor William Whalen.40 The Committee Report quotes those sources as stating that the principles and basic rituals of Masonry embody a naturalistic religion, active participation in which is incompatible with Christian faith and practice. Those who knowingly embrace such principles are "committing serious sin".

The faithful who enroll in masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive holy communion.... In an audience... the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this declaration..."42 Thus, the present pope is on record opposing Masonic membership for Catholics.

Most major religons have stated Masonry is not compatible with Christianity because it makes all religons equal and teaches a different way for salvation. The Grand Lodge of New York stated in the trial of RObert Kopp that it was a religous organization. As late as 1913 The Grand Orient stated, “The aim of the Grand Orient is to crush Roman Catholicism in France first, and then elsewhere.”

"In the past We have counseled through prophets, your Popes, to forbid all who have joined in My Son's Church, forbid them to become part of freemasonry and the Masons. And why? Because, My children, they are not of God, and if they are not of God, they are the Antichrist. And why are they the Antichrist? Because they worship false idols!
"In the commandments of Your God you will remember: 'I,' said the Lord, 'I am your God; thou shalt not have strange gods before you.' And who are these strange gods of masonry and witchcraft? Isis!
"My children, man has accepted gods of nature! Pagans you have become! You reject your God the Father; you reject the Trinity; and you have dabbled and burned your fingers in the unknown, the darkness of satanism." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 1, 1977

Now I've read many Catholic documents regarding freemasonry even some of the items logged by the council of bishops upon infiltrating the masons. Everything I've read leads me to believe that masonry isn't compatible with any christian religon. Jesus goes from everything to nothing. He's now the same as Mohammed. The bible and all of the other religons holy books are equal. You can now get to heaven by your deeds rather than the salvation of Jesus... I don't absolutely disagree with everything Freemasonry teaches nor do I agree with everything the church teaches, but to me it's fairly obvious that the 2 are not compatible.

Freemasonry was a black sheep. The organization behind the RAND corporation is the one people often confuse with freemasonry. The RAND folks have been around for centuries in various forms, and start rumores about other contemporary groups to shift public attention onto others

reply to post by DrJay1975


I feel like I have to speak to this post. I am a confirmed catholic. I haven't been to church in a while, but I still remember what I was taught. I am also a mason. I never bothered to ask if I was excommunicated, because I don't feel like it's anybodys business. Freemasonry is compatible with any religion that believes in a higher power. But doesn't discriminate against any religion. If that is incompatible, then I don't want to be a part of any group that prides itself on intolerance. God loves all people, not just catholics, and not just baptists. Everybody. There are plenty of masons I know who believe that Jesus Christ is their savior, there are also some who do not. The cool thing is the ones who don't, will not go around preaching to the ones who do, in attempts to convert their thinking. We just don't do that. We can learn from each other, but to try to change your beliefs in deity, well, If I could change your beliefs by talking to you, then you had better take a good look at how deeply you believe. The only reason the church is against us, is that they have no influence on us. They fear what they cannot control. Plus, they could never know what goes on inside because they would have to damn their soul to hell in order to find out. I have all ideas that as long as I try to be a good person, I will see the same heaven you do.