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posted on Nov, 26 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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reply to post by Sorcha Faal
 


There is no time at which you are given secrets. I cant believe people have not put it together yet. There is no great secret. if you asc end to the top of the pyramid all youve learned is how to contol those below you, with the promise of a secret. 8)




posted on Nov, 28 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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You don't automatically get secrets just for being a 32nd Mason. You have to be a trusted person in other ways.



posted on Nov, 29 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
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You don't automatically get secrets just for being a 32nd Mason. You have to be a trusted person in other ways.


and you would know this how?



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
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You don't automatically get secrets just for being a 32nd Mason. You have to be a trusted person in other ways.


and you would know this how?

From ex-Masons



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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And they were 33rds?



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
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And they were 33rds?

Not sure.

They could have been 32nds, but they knew the "secrets" that most Masons are see-no-evil-hear-no-evil about.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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please ask them something for me. Please ask them at what point we (the low levels) get to hear this information. I would love to know when it will happen. give me an idea. Any help at all.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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So some 32nds know the secrets, but not the ones here that refute your claims?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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see, it works like this. Anyone who knows the real deal, wouldn't be on this site. And therefore, anyone on this site, is just a low level. But the opposing side has all the knowledge needed to be sure that they are correct. After all, it was on you tube.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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As a new member to ATS, I'm not allowed to create new threads but seeing as how this thread concerns masonry I thought I'd go ahead and post here.

I saw an episode of Brad Meltzer's "Decoded" last night on the History Channel and was intrigued by what I learned. The episode was about the missing cornerstone of the White House and the suspected theft of it by the Masons. Brad's team of investigators were allowed to meet with a 33rd degree mason at the Scottish Rite of Masonry to conduct an interview. While there. one of the things they saw was a stone with some Masonic symbols on it. They thought it might have been the missing cornerstone, but the 33rd degree mason they spoke to said it was just a stone that President Truman sent them but said nothing about the origin of it. Why would Truman, a 33rd degree Mason himself, just carve Masonic symbols into a stone with no significance and send fragments of it to every Masonic temple in the country? Granted it could be a stone with naturally appearing symbols, like a potato that happens to have the face of Elvis on it's skin, but nothing was said to that effect.
Then they went to the library where another member of the team was looking at photographs from the Truman excavation. It appears that Truman did actually look for the stone when he was President. Apparently, he was using a metal detector or something to find the brass plate that covered the stone. He must have thought it was buried, which is the most likely scenario. When they got down to a certain level, Truman searched with his detector and got a ping. Oddly enough, he called an end to the investigation! The strange thing about this is that a similar excavation was conducted by an air conditioning technician at the capital building in the eighties. They did mention that the cornerstone of that building was missing as well. In the eighties, a guy named Scala conducted this excavation in secret. Supposedly, the missing stone was buried beneath the Senate floor. Scala's exavation was discovered by some senators who were Masons themselves, but they allowed Scala to continue. Now when Scala got to a certain location, the senators suddenly decided it was time to move it to the House side. On the program I saw last night, one of the Masons who was not a 33rd degree mason said that the stone was probably buried 8 or 10 feet from where they had ceased to dig on the Senate side! So we have two missing stones that are probably buried just a few feet from where they were originally located and both excavations to find them were suddenly stopped just before uncovering them. If they were satisfied that the stone was still there, why not just tell everyone rather than just call a halt to the excavation.

There are two points of interest here. First we have a part of a rock with Masonic symbols in it with no explanation as to its origin or why it has the symbols in it, and second we have excavations to unearth the missing cornerstones of both the White House and the Capital building that were suddenly cut short.

Another odd thing I noticed was that at the end of the program they said that Mason's always lay the cornerstone in the northeast corner of the building, yet at the beginning of it I am certain that I heard Meltzer say that the White House cornerstone was located in the southeast or southwest corner. I know I heard sout-something. I don't know where Truman was looking but I know Scala was looking in the northeast corner. It's almost as if Meltzer and his team were told to overlook these details. They did discuss the Masons murdering people to protect their secrets, but the 33rd degree Mason denied that the society had ever sanctioned any murders. I don't want to believe that they have ever killed anyone, but then again so many judges have been Masons that cover-ups are a possibility.

After watching the program and identifying these oversights, I created a few possible scenarios of my own.

1. The Masons did hide the cornerstones to protect secrets from the British.

2. The Masons inscribed the cornerstones with their plans for a NWO, and later decided to hide them.

3. The stones were stolen by the Illuminati. I know that Illuminati were also involved in the creation of this country. One of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was one.

4. This one is really far-fetched. One cornerstone (or possibly both) is hidden in the Great Pyramid of Giza. Consider that the back of the one dollar bill shows an incomplete pyramid with the Eye of Judgement descending onto it. Both the eye and the triangle that surrounds it are Masonic symbols. I make no speculation as to how they would move a 2-ton rock half way around the world before airplanes existed, and I'll admit it seems impossible. The choice of artwork is interesting though.
edit on 7-12-2010 by ulysses because: add a hypothesis



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by ulysses
While there. one of the things they saw was a stone with some Masonic symbols on it. They thought it might have been the missing cornerstone, but the 33rd degree mason they spoke to said it was just a stone that President Truman sent them but said nothing about the origin of it. Why would Truman, a 33rd degree Mason himself, just carve Masonic symbols into a stone with no significance and send fragments of it to every Masonic temple in the country? Granted it could be a stone with naturally appearing symbols, like a potato that happens to have the face of Elvis on it's skin, but nothing was said to that effect.
Watch it again. They do explain that one fairly well... the marks aren't Freemasonry symbols, but actual stone-masons marks used when quarrying granite. Truman, being a Mason, knew that it would be a good symbolic gesture to send the work of operative masons (stone cutters) to the speculative Masons (freemasons).


Another odd thing I noticed was that at the end of the program they said that Mason's always lay the cornerstone in the northeast corner of the building, yet at the beginning of it I am certain that I heard Meltzer say that the White House cornerstone was located in the southeast or southwest corner.
Again, you need to rewatch the video, because they were pretty clear. The tradition of laying the cornerstone in the NE corner is a fairly recent development, and that was not the case when those buildings were built. They investigated that whole side of things pretty well...


1. The Masons did hide the cornerstones to protect secrets from the British.
Or to keep the British from symbolically laying waste to the foundation of our country...


2. The Masons inscribed the cornerstones with their plans for a NWO, and later decided to hide them.
Crazy talk.


3. The stones were stolen by the Illuminati. I know that Illuminati were also involved in the creation of this country. One of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was one.
Which one?


4. This one is really far-fetched. One cornerstone (or possibly both) is hidden in the Great Pyramid of Giza. Consider that the back of the one dollar bill shows an incomplete pyramid with the Eye of Judgement descending onto it. Both the eye and the triangle that surrounds it are Masonic symbols. I make no speculation as to how they would move a 2-ton rock half way around the world before airplanes existed, and I'll admit it seems impossible. The choice of artwork is interesting though.
Really not worthy of comment...



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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welcome to ATS. You sound like you enjoyed the show. I hate that I missed it.
with your permission, I will copy your text to a new thread for you.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Frankly, I was a little disappointed with the show. Not only did they NOT find what they were looking for, they made a big deal about how they had to pull strings to get special access to the House of the Temple, when in reality, it's open for tours, the library is open to the public, and Brent Morris & Arturo de Hoyos are both Facebook friends of mine. Not the most inaccessible of people...
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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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That would be fine.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Your mistaken. They said they had to pull strings to get a 33rd degree mason to speak with them, not just to get access to the Temple.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by ulysses
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Your mistaken. They said they had to pull strings to get a 33rd degree mason to speak with them, not just to get access to the Temple.
But again, Art & Brent are hardly tough guys to get ahold of. I mean, their phone numbers are on the contact page and everything. No string pulling necessary. I think they just added that part to make the show look more dramatic.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by ulysses
They said they had to pull strings to get a 33rd degree mason to speak with them, not just to get access to the Temple.


Well in that case they got two. Art De Hoyos and Brent Morris are both 33rd's. It is not that big of a deal to get a 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Mason to speak with you, particularly at the House of the Temple which is open to the public.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Watch it again. They do explain that one fairly well... the marks aren't Freemasonry symbols, but actual stone-masons marks used when quarrying granite. Truman, being a Mason, knew that it would be a good symbolic gesture to send the work of operative masons (stone cutters) to the speculative Masons (freemasons).


Are we to assume freemasons did not begin using that particular symbol until after the White House was built? I don't recall mention of the stone's origin nor of anyone asking the question. I know I would've asked it, and I think it's more than likely that anyone would have. The stone was definitely man-made, though the symbol may not have been.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by ulysses
I don't recall mention of the stone's origin nor of anyone asking the question. I know I would've asked it, and I think it's more than likely that anyone would have. The stone was definitely man-made, though the symbol may not have been.


They did ask. It was part of the original foundation of the White House and a part of the stone was sent to each Grand Lodge jurisdiction in the United States at that time.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Thank you for the post. I will watch these asaic.

...as to the rest...it's de je vu all over again.
Really, it only took meeting some Masons in person to change my opinion.
I highly recommend people go out and do the same.
They are just people, like you and me - 'cept they belong to a very old, and a little bit odd (imo) fraternity.


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