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a friend's challenge to christians

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posted on Feb, 25 2003 @ 09:27 PM
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I have a friend who has tried to register here but for some reason they wont send him the password in his email so he sent me this to post on it:

"My Challenge to all Christians.

To answer ALL OF THESE 3 questions reasonably.

1.) Where (specifically) does Jesus Christ mention the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost/Spirit) in the Gospel?

Find it.

You can't because it is not there.

2.) How could Jesus Christ forget to mention something that seems to be greatly important?

3.) Every single Christian I've talked to, I was told that the ONE AND ONLY WAY to enter Paradise is accepting that Jesus Christ died for your sins and the sins of humanity.

The question is....... why didn't Jesus Christ EVER mention his role of redeeming blood being necessary for salvation?

Looks like a big oversight.

Wait wait, could it be that Jesus Christ never actually uttered those words about the only way to Paradise? Your salvation? Could it be??

If the answer is No, tell me where Jesus Christ mentioned the Trinity & the notion of the sacrificial Christ for entrance to heaven (salvation).

If the answer is Yes, then there are 2 things to be made out of this.

Number one - Don't pay attention to the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, but instead make up your own religion as every christian does. Ignore Jesus' teachings.

Number two - The bible is corrupted by Man.

Matthew 22:27 - "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind." Jesus requesting you to submit your love for One God. Again, where is the God in 3 forms and acceptance of the sacrificial Christ necessary for salvation?? The only way to Paradise?

Matthew 6:23, 7:7, 17:20, Mark 11:23, Luke 9: 61-62, Luke 15:8 ? Shall I go on?

Again, no Trinity, no belief in sacrificial christ as the only way to heaven.

To sum it up... JESUS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED THE TRINITY OR ACCEPTING HIM DYING FOR SINS AS SALVATION! AGAIN, IF YOU SAY THERE IS, FIND IT FOR ME! SPECIFICALLY!

Why are you believing something Jesus never taught?

Please answer all of my questions reasonably, and thank you for answering them."




posted on Feb, 25 2003 @ 10:09 PM
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You're right about Jesus not mentioning the Trinity...That's an invention of the Catholic Church. It was the Church that placed such importance on Christ as being a part of the Trinity...Christ himself probably would've detested the notion that the Church was placing him *equal* to his Father. Jesus never did claim to be equal to God...Only that he was His son. Blame that on the Catholics...

However, Jesus *did* say (Not in these precise words, but indicated it in numerous places) that his blood & flesh were the New Sacrament so that the faithful would not have to sacrifice animals anymore. This is the true origin of the ceremony known as Mass & Taking of the Sacrament.



posted on Feb, 25 2003 @ 10:38 PM
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wow, ive answered this over and over.

for the sake of his soul, ill post passages. If this one is reading listen and understand, im only doing this once.


Heres the passages..

pllease for the sake of god read these with sincere ability to believe.


John 3:5

"" Jesus answered; amen, amen i say to thee, unless a man be born again
of (water) and the holy (ghost) he (cannot) enter into the kingdom of god ""


John 3:10

"" Jesus answered, aand said to him; art thou a master of israel, and knowest not these things?
amen, amen, i say to thee, that (we) speak what we know, and testify what we have seen,, and you recieve not
our testimony. And no man ascendith into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,, the son of man who is in heaven. and
as moses lifted up the serpent in the desert. so must the (son) of man be (lifted) up. that (whoever) shall believe
in (him) shall not perish, but may have life everlasting, for God so loved the world that he sent his (only) (begotten) son, that whosoever shall
believe in (him), may not perish ""

"" for god sent not his son into the world, but that the world (may) (be) (saved) by (him) "


3:31

"" He that cometh from above is above all. he that is of the earth, of the earth he is and of the earth he (speaketh), but he who cometh from above is above all ""


John 4;25

"" The women said to him; i know that the messiah cometh (who is called christ); therefore when he is come, he will
tell us all things. (jesus) said to her: (I) (am) (he), who aam speaking with thee ""



6:48

"" (I) aam the bread of life, this is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man may (eat) of it he
may not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; and the bread that i willl give thee, is (my) flesh, for the life of
the world ""

"" He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood,, abide in me, and i in him ""


8:18

""i am the one that give testimony of myself: aand the father that sent me give testimony of me ""


8:57

"" The jews therefore said to him: thou art not yet 50 years old, and hast thou seen abraham? (Jesus) said to them: amen
amen i say to you, ((before)) abraham was (made) (I) (am). ""



9:36

"" He answered and said to him, who is he lord, that i may believe in him? aand jesus said to him; thou hast both seen him and it is (he) that talketh with
thee. and he said; i believe lord, and falling down he (adored) him ""



JOHN 10:29

"" That which my father has given me, is greater than all; and noone can snatch them out of the
hand of my father, (I) and the father are (one) ""


11:25

"" jesus said to her, (i) am the ressurection and the (life) ""




13:13

"" you call me master and lord, and you say well, for so (i) (am), if then i being your lord and master
wash thy feet, thou also wash thy others feet ""



14:10

"" do you not believe that (i) am in the father and the father in (me)? the words that
i speak to you i speak not of myself. but the father who abideth in me. Believe yyou not that
(I) (am) in the father, and the father in me?

"" and i will assk the father, and he shall give you another (paraclete), thaat he may abide with you forever ""



15:26

"" but when the (paraclete) cometh, whom i will send you (from) the father, the spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the (father), he shall give testimony of (me) ""

"" baptise all creatures in the name of the father, son, holyspirit ""



These are jesus own words, and this is only in the chapter of john.

you can only see what god allows you to see.

peace.



posted on Feb, 26 2003 @ 01:45 AM
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There can be a "pluralness" to the One God without their being separate gods. Even in the Qur'an, when Allah speaks, the word "we", and "us" is used. God is not subject to mans limitations, and God can reveal Himself to us however He wants to.



[Edited on 26-2-2003 by krossfyter]



posted on Feb, 26 2003 @ 06:34 AM
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John.15:23:27..He that hateth me hateth my father also.
If i had not done among them the works which none other man did,they had not hadsin:but nowthey have both seenand hated both me and my Father..

But this cometh to pass,etc........

11Corin13:14)........The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,and the love of God,and the communion of the Holy Ghost,be with you all.Amen..............

The last supper.......
Do this in remembrance of Me.(1Corin.11:25).......

Babtizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit......................

notes::::Gospels of Mathew 28:16-20;Mark16:15-16;1Corinthians15:6-8;and the Acts of the Apostles1:3.......

[Edited on 26-2-2003 by helen]



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