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posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 05:27 AM
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"They are all fabricated bunch of papers continuously being forged and disseminated by the American government," he told the U.S. network in an interview in Copenhagen, Denmark, after he attended the United Nations conference on climate change.
Reports that Iran is working on a bomb trigger are "fundamentally not true," said Ahmadinejad.



Here is the link to the news source: IRAN accuses US of forging Nuclear Trigger report


Now, lets analyse two hypothesis:

1) US forged the reports. What does that mean? Why would US forge those documents? Just to pressure Iran or to start a war?

2) US didn't forge the documents. In that case, Iran is building a nuclear Bomb. If they build it are they really going to attack Israel or are they just gonna keep it as a military card in their sleeves?

Eitherway, there is a good possibility we are moving closer to a war. What do you guys think?




posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 05:48 AM
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Forgery
The US has to build the hype when they have to step in after Isreal attacks and Iran retaliates by hitting US interests.
So far the majority of the US would be against the US helping Isreal, the media had to keep mentioning the Iranian threat.
Isreal attacks, Iran retaliates and the US plays the victim to get more support.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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Of course they are going to deny nit, please...


The moment they admit the truth, is the moment it gets bombed to nothing.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Of course they are going to deny nit, please...


The moment they admit the truth, is the moment it gets bombed to nothing.


I laugh not only at your mindset but at the fact that you simply believe us to go "oh well if mrmonsoon says it it must be true" ha. There is a thing in this world called REASONABLE DOUBT and you have not provided ANY evidence to back up your claim. TLDR get some facts >.>



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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You me like YOU who has no proof what so ever.

Oh, except for Iran's loud-mouth-peace, adem-a-jihad.

come on, try a little more, seriously.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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The point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter who is lying and who is telling the truth. Both hypothesis take us closer to war anyway.

If Iran is lying, it means it IS building a nuclear bomb and it means the US knows it and that Israel knows it and that an attack on Iran is emminent and know US only needs to prepare the terrain for that attack to be justifiable.

If US is lying and forged those documents, one of the reasons to forge those documentos could mean, like in the above, a preparation to justify an attack on Iran.

So, it's getting to a point that it's becoming pointless whoever is telling the truth and who is lying, because the actions taken are not directed to a peaceful ending.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Iran accuses

That's all I needed to read.
For me that's all I've been hearing out of Iran lately.
So people read it and run with it as if it's the word of God.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Iran accuses

That's all I needed to read.
For me that's all I've been hearing out of Iran lately.
So people read it and run with it as if it's the word of God.


Yeah, because the US has NEVER made up any evidence to support a position for war


If we are giving anyone the benefit of the doubt here, it won't be US after the "evidence" of WMDs in Iraq.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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As I wrote in another thread on a similar subject a few days, I am reminded of a very similar issue not so very long ago.

Remember the Niger Uranium Yellowcake documents waved about by the US in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, as proof that Saddam was working on a nuclear WMD programme? Remember how that all tanked and was shown to be a forgery - a very bad one too. Remember too that it was likely the discrediting of this document by US Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson that led to the outing of his wife, one Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

So, here we have another claim of the US having documents proving that nasty old Iran is doing something very very bad indeed. Why, when the US government has a history of providing falsified documents, should we believe anything they present as proof?



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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It's a very common Islamic principle to play the victim and duck responsibility. But the good news is we are moving past sword rattling and into some serious wartime. Strategically we are geographically placed on 3 sides of Iran now. Iraq position, Afghanistan position and in the Gulf. We also have access to Saudi since we helped them in Syria so they are surrounded. India is covering Pakistan so we are ready.

But Iran has sleeper terrorist also placed in strategic positions. The round up in NYC, Denver, Boston and Toronto a few months back took care of some of them and broke up their rythmn but still there are those who will protest like homegrown Ft Hood shooter that will cause us some problems. Be vigilant.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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That is all fine and dandy, but tell us, what has Iran done to the US that you feel they should be attacked? What threat is Iran to the US and, more importantly, why is the US dicking around in their backyard in the first place?



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
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That is all fine and dandy, but tell us, what has Iran done to the US that you feel they should be attacked? What threat is Iran to the US and, more importantly, why is the US dicking around in their backyard in the first place?



Correct me if I'm wrong here but...

Isn't there UK forces involved in both Iraq and Afghanistan? So Downing Street doesn't have the UK hip deep in the same crap? I guess not. We will trudge through this alone eh? Where's my hip waders?



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Yeah, the UK government has our troops out there too. But, get this, the UK government is not the one waving around possibly forged documents.


I'm sure, if asked, buttlicker Brown will support any sanctions or action against Iran, as is required by his Israeli handlers. That does not mean it is a supported action, only that the bought politicians are expected to support it, no matter what the voters think.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Well Iran is the forgery expert... they should know

But sounds like Iran is still pissed at the US for changing our Money so they could no longer pump out billions in counterfeit U.S. $100 dollar bills...

Bet that put a real crimp in their gross domestic product... Syria did help them and they did claim is was a form on economic warfare against the west...but...they kind of got to rely on all the funny money to pay their bills and ever since we changed our money .... It's just been one thing after another...

yup gotta trust Iran... the forgery expert... they should know



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
the UK government is not the one waving around possibly forged documents.


Come now, Let's not start the "Holier than thou" mentality.

"Remember, George, this is no time to go wobbly." Margaret Thatcher

Dec 13, 2009

The prospect of fresh tension between the UK and Iran has arisen after a document emerged suggesting the Middle Eastern country was working on testing a key nuclear bomb part.

The Times newspaper said it had obtained notes describing a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion.

Several experts believe that the documents are the strongest indicator yet of a continuing nuclear weapons programme in Iran.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Being totally unemcumbered by the belief in mythical deities, I would never presume to be holier than anyone. Perhaps a little more ethical, moral and honest but never holier!


All this supposed speculation yet no proof, ever, of any actual nuclear weapons programme. What makes it all even crazier is that so much of the supposed evidence against Iran comes from unnamed or anonymous sources. Officials who want to remain nameless etc. Taking anything from such sources without evidence to back it up is not journalism, let alone proof of anything.

Isarel is the one shouting the loudest for military action agaisnt Iran and using the lives of Americans, and anyone else they can coerce, into doing the dirty work for them. They just want themselves to be unchallenged in the region and are being aided by our bought or blackmailed politicians.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
All this supposed speculation yet no proof, ever



Isarel is the one shouting the loudest for military action agaisnt Iran and using the lives of Americans


Yeah ok.
Run with that.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Oh come now, you can't just bug out with that answer.


I thought you'd be able to supply fresh evidence to support your stance that Iran is the one at fault.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy
reply to post by JJay55
 


That is all fine and dandy, but tell us, what has Iran done to the US that you feel they should be attacked? What threat is Iran to the US and, more importantly, why is the US dicking around in their backyard in the first place?


Try thinking farther ahead than just your next meal.

If iran is successful at developing their own WMD's and then gives them to terrorist organizations which then use them to threaten or attack the U.S. it will be way too late to do anything about it.

It can be fatal to wait until you are attacked to decide to do something about it. See the clinton administration's handling of radical (not all) muslims in the decade leading up to the WTC attacks as an example.

BTW, most thinking people believe that the radical (not all) muslims would have used a nuke in NY instead of planes if they had access to one. Do you deny that possibility/probability/fact?

[edit on 12/22/2009 by centurion1211]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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So you too have evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Please provide it as the Israelis, American and British governments have, as yet, been unable to do so. The IAEA has been monotoring all the enrichment and processing and everything is accounted for and they too have found no WMD programme.

So, what is left is innuendo, speculation and outright lies without one shred of proof, yet people are quick to call for killing based on this? How very sick in the head some people are.

The argument too that they will provide such things to terrorists to use is laughable. Why bother doing that when the origin of the isotopes can be traced back to the plant that processed the material used? It's not like making an anonymous pipe bomb.





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