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posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
What's everyone's guesses for the endgame situation?


I'm thinking, based on the spoilerly episode title, that many main characters (or, more likely, them all) die in order to save the day, which involves either killing or, at least, permanently stopping MIB. If characters die in order to save the day, it will, of course, be more satisfying if MIB is killed too.

The end of it all will be happy, however, not only because MIB is stopped, but also because our Losties will still be alive in the new timeline. The end will be sad too, though, since the Losties in the timeline we always knew about will die.

This is a very simplistic ending, though, since it assumes that the two timelines will always be separate.




posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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Finished watching the episode a little bit ago and WOW!!

Best episode of the season!

Spoilers Below!

In case you haven't watched the episode yet!



 
 


So it seems that the lines are beginning to blur. I mentioned this last week with Sun and her inability to speak english. It seems that it happened with Charlie as he saw Claire in his vision. And then the same happened to Desmond with Charlie when he initially drowned.

At the end when he asks for that from the limo driver and basically states he needs to show everyone... yikes!

I thought tonight's episode was amazing and they have finally got me jacked for the final few episodes!

Loved tonight!!



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by chissler
So it seems that the lines are beginning to blur.


Not only that, but we can see that the new timeline was never meant to be. It seems that Jack did not save the day when he had the bomb blown up.


It seems that it happened with Charlie as he saw Claire in his vision.


I was confused who he was talking about. Thanks!


At the end when he asks for that from the limo driver and basically states he needs to show everyone... yikes!


What does he need to show them? I'm not sure about this.


I thought tonight's episode was amazing and they have finally got me jacked for the final few episodes!


This episode was good. I loved that Desmond and Widmore were finally on good terms in the new timeline. Did anyone catch the scale painting in Widmore's office? It seemed to have black chips on one side and white chips on the other - very nice!

Are we to make anything of Desmond meeting Penny in the same manner that he met Jack (at the stadium)? Also, I still don't know how Desmond can save the day. Why did he go with Sayid, anyway? Lots of questions tonight!

About Charlie, he seems to know that he isn't supposed to be living in this new timeline. Fans thought this since the first episode of this season (because he says something to this extent), but it is confirmed by him being suicidal in this episode.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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So are the flashbacks in the next episodes still going to be character-centric or will Desmond just be going around meeting everyone?



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
Not only that, but we can see that the new timeline was never meant to be. It seems that Jack did not save the day when he had the bomb blown up.


This is obviously the separate timeline based on the blowing up of the bomb. The fact that some of them can sense this is crazy! (in a good way) I'm still not convinced that it doesn't qualify as Jack saving the day. Without the bomb, Charlie's dead. Afterwards he is alive. That's gotta count for something. And in the actual story line, the thing Desmond wants more than anything in life is the approval of Widmore. In the storyline after the bomb, he has that approval. I've been trying to think of the other sideways and if they've now got something that they've always wanted.

Think about it...

  • Jack is a dad!
  • Sawyer is a cop!
  • Myles is a cop and Sawyer's superior!
  • I could be wrong here but did Kate have Claire keep her baby?

    Is there a connection here in people getting what they've always wanted?

    And how about Daniel & Eloise Widmore?

    In the new storyline is it likely that Ben actually did leave the island as his father wanted and that kept Widmore from being kicked from the island? With Charles still on the island, him and Widmore end up being a couple? While Eloise is Daniel's mother, she is not Penny's. But I'm assuming Charles is Daniel's father as it's unlikely that he would change his name to Widmore from Farraday due to their marriage. So we're left to assume that Charles and Eloise got together some point after Penny's birth but before Daniel's.

    So much to think about from this episode.



  • posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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    Also, I still don't know how Desmond can save the day. Why did he go with Sayid, anyway?


    He said it himself, he has to show them... I think Desmond has a degree of omniscience similar to that shown by Eloise, and for the same reasons... Obviously, she too, has had her skipping through times moments. This episode cemented that, when even in the alternate time line, she tells Desmond he isn't ready, knows what he's looking for, etc.

    As with many things in the flash sideways time, I think that Penny meeting Desmond at the stadium is just one more example of similar things, but slightly altered, for the viewer, to really hit home the interconnection of the two timelines. I think that Faraday/Widmore's notebook is probably more telling than any other clue, so need to see if there's a good pic of this online (since my wife erased it right after we watched...ugghhh....)



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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    Originally posted by MrAndy
    So are the flashbacks in the next episodes still going to be character-centric or will Desmond just be going around meeting everyone?


    Good question. I think that it will be the former, but it is entirely possible that Desmond will make appearances in them.


    Originally posted by chissler
    I'm still not convinced that it doesn't qualify as Jack saving the day.


    You're right that there are a lot of positives in this new timeline, but in the grand scheme of things, I think that this timeline should never have existed. (I'm just basing my opinion off of Daniel's.)


    Originally posted by Gazrok
    He said it himself, he has to show them...


    Yes, but show them what and how? I think that Desmond fainted when shaking Penny's hand because he might have unconsciously realized who she was. Of course, though, this realization did not affect him or her because Desmond and Penny did not gain awareness of their lives together in the other timeline. Thus, I don't know how Desmond will show the passengers of 815 anything.

    Also, I still wonder why he went with Sayid because Desmond saying that he has to show the passengers of 815 something meant that he has to show the passengers of 815 from the new timeline something.


    As with many things in the flash sideways time, I think that Penny meeting Desmond at the stadium is just one more example of similar things, but slightly altered, for the viewer, to really hit home the interconnection of the two timelines.


    True. I guess you are right.


    I think that Faraday/Widmore's notebook is probably more telling than any other clue, so need to see if there's a good pic of this online (since my wife erased it right after we watched...ugghhh....)


    That sucks! It should be online somewhere.



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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    I've been searching for a shot of the notebook from last night, but no dice so far.
    It had a triangle, and it appeared that each line of the triangle was a timeline. The one on the bottom had the words "Imaginary time" in it, so that's why I'm thinking this was actually a really big clue...(i.e. the flash-sideways timeline)...

    As for the "them" in the flash-sideways timeline (as this is where Desmond was, when he asked for the manifest), I'm assuming he expects he'll recognize the names, and then try and get them all together and explain his revelation of his new split-time self...or at least as much as he can piece together...in his FS incarnation.

    Too bad we probably won't have time in the season for an Eloise-centric episode...that'd be epic...



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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    On Faraday's diagram, seems it crops up a lot in pics from older Lost episodes, including the blackboard pic of Faraday...

    Here, an older episode has the same diagram (2nd one down)...

    i91.photobucket.com...

    But it is hard to make out. The writing even seems to match what was in last night's episode....



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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    Haven't been here since the first few eps of the season but WOW!

    Last night was pretty spectacular, very good writing. One thing that didn't fair well with me was when Desmond interrupted Charles just as he was about to explain - "I understand..."... WE DONT UNDERSTAND DESMOND! WE DONT! LET HIM TALK!. Probably the writers just saving most of this for the last episodes.

    Well like you guys have said, the realities are starting to blur, should be very interesting from now on.



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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    Originally posted by chissler


    Is there a connection here in people getting what they've always wanted?



    And there it is, what I now believe to be the single most important question you could ask about this show. Someone is trying to create OR find the perfect life/timeline for all of our losties, someone with intimate knowledge of how it all works. Now, we could go back and look at some examples of where an act occurred which could qualify as 'someone' trying to 'trial' a possible alternative life. E.g:

    - Juliet blowing up the bomb.
    - Ben making the island disappear.
    - Ben initiating the electromagnetic weapon.

    etc.

    You have to ask yourself. With all of these events, what role did the losties in the LAX timeline play in perhaps bringing them to fruition? Surely they'll all figure out whats going on now when Desmond 'shows' them, so surely they would have had some impact on the events on the island throughout the first 5 seasons. They will be the ones trying to create their perfect life... Is that making sense?



    posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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    Originally posted by Gazrok
    As for the "them" in the flash-sideways timeline (as this is where Desmond was, when he asked for the manifest), I'm assuming he expects he'll recognize the names, and then try and get them all together and explain his revelation of his new split-time self...or at least as much as he can piece together...in his FS incarnation.


    Maybe. Now that I think about it, Desmond could just ask them if they experienced anything weird lately. Jack did, which is evidenced by his cut on his neck and his scar. Maybe Jack will understand where Desmond is coming from. Did anyone else experience weird things in the new timeline that would help Desmond's quest?



    posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 07:24 AM
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    Sawyer suspects something about Kate...so that's one example.

    Oh, and found a pic of the notebook page...first image...

    someotherlostscreens.blogspot.com...

    EDIT: I thought it looked familiar...It's an Einstein Minkowski diagram...

    www.quantonics.com...
    for the explaination.

    [edit on 8-4-2010 by Gazrok]



    posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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    Originally posted by Gazrok
    Sawyer suspects something about Kate...so that's one example.


    Good, so maybe Desmond will not seem so crazy after all!


    Oh, and found a pic of the notebook page...first image...


    Is this the same image, though, that Daniel shows Desmond in the new timeline? It looks the same, but I just want to be sure. I tried to look very briefly for the image, but I couldn't find anything.


    EDIT: I thought it looked familiar...It's an Einstein Minkowski diagram...


    Nice find!

    Here is the preview for the next episode. I actually thought it was Michael in it, but I was not sure, and I only heard his voice (I was not looking at the TV during this exact moment). I said it before, and I will say it again: I am loving Hurley this season! He is very important and he is not just a comical character now!



    posted on Apr, 8 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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    What are your thoughts on the characters being served what they desired in the previous timelines?

    Jack being a dad and trying to be more than what his was to him. Sawyer being the "good guy", Kate helping Claire, Desmond finding his way into the good books of Widmore.. all what they desired. Now in achieving this, it has brought some problems. For example, in order for Desmond to achieve his goal of being in Widmore's good books, he is no longer with Penny.

    It'll be interesting to see what each of them "see" in their blurring of the timelines.



    posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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    Yes, it was Michael in the preview.

    As for getting what they wanted, not so sure they did... Jacks son doesn't like him, Kate is still on the run, Claire is still confused, Sawyer is still frustrated about his parents' killer, etc.



    posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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    Originally posted by chissler
    What are your thoughts on the characters being served what they desired in the previous timelines?


    I don't think that they each got what they wanted. Jack never said he wanted to be a father - in fact, he almost said the exact opposite when he told, I think, Hurley that he would make a terrible father. Sawyer is not really a good guy, since he still wants to kill the conman, and Kate is still wanted.

    Also, are you sure that all Desmond wants is to be seen in a positive light in Widmore's eyes? If this is true, then why does he care about Penny so much in the history of the show? I think that would rather have Penny over Widmore any day. This is the reason, I think, that Desmond, in the new timeline, wanted to find Penny - he's not satisfied with his life as Widmore's number one guy.


    It'll be interesting to see what each of them "see" in their blurring of the timelines.


    I think they will just see events from the original timeline. Thus, it might not be that interesting since we have already seen these events. Sure it was interesting when it happened to Desmond last episode, but if this is to happen to every character, it may get overplayed. However, I am a fanboy of 'Lost,' so I might not ever say that something in the show is boring!


    Originally posted by Gazrok
    As for getting what they wanted, not so sure they did... Jacks son doesn't like him, Kate is still on the run, Claire is still confused, Sawyer is still frustrated about his parents' killer, etc.


    Exactly. I kind of bounced off of this when making my reply above.



    posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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    In getting what they want though, who is to say it doesn't mean they lose something they didn't want to give up on? Desmond always sought Widmore's approval, now he has it. Jack didn't come out and say he wanted to be a father, but the one thing he wanted in life was a strong bond between father and son. Where he can't have that with his own father, he gets it with his own son.

    I could be wrong with this but I'm seeing something here.

    I'm not saying it made the "perfect" storyline for them. But in each of the details that are different, he seemed to provide something they wanted in the previous.

    I don't think they're going to have Desmond go around to each character. There isn't nearly enough time remaining to accommodate this. But I do think it is going to play into it for some of the key characters. In seeing how they react to it and whether or not it impacts them back on the island will be interesting.

    With Michael in the promo, I wonder how he's worked back into it and if there are any references to Walt. I'm not expecting closure on either of those two, but we might see or hear something.



    posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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    5 full hours on finale night!

    The 'Lost' finale: ABC makes a night of it

    A two hour retrospective special, the two hour finale and then an hour long special episode of "Jimmy Kimmel Live" dedicated to the show.




    posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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    Originally posted by chissler
    In getting what they want though, who is to say it doesn't mean they lose something they didn't want to give up on?


    Good point. Just to play devil's advocate, though, Jack does not have a perfect relationship with his son. I am not sure how his episode ended, but Jack and his son were on shaky terms with each other.


    I'm not saying it made the "perfect" storyline for them. But in each of the details that are different, he seemed to provide something they wanted in the previous.


    You are right that this isn't a perfect timeline, but it might be a bit better than the one we always knew about. Who is the "he" you are referring to?


    I don't think they're going to have Desmond go around to each character. There isn't nearly enough time remaining to accommodate this.


    That's what I am thinking.


    But I do think it is going to play into it for some of the key characters. In seeing how they react to it and whether or not it impacts them back on the island will be interesting.


    I like this. What Desmond saw in the new timeline greatly affected him, so let's see if other Losties are as affected by realizing what is going on as Desmond was (or, at least, let's see if they are even capable of realizing this since Desmond is the special one).

    EDIT:


    Originally posted by chissler
    A two hour retrospective special, the two hour finale and then an hour long special episode of "Jimmy Kimmel Live" dedicated to the show.


    Epic! It's on a Sunday, first of all, and now all this!? Great! Of course, though, I am only interested in the actual show .

    [edit on 9-4-2010 by they see ALL]



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