reply to post by romanmel
I am more inclined than ever to think the sleeping giant expired several decades ago and will never be awakened from the cold dead state it is in.
Who knows? How can one gauge the thoughts and potential actions of 300 million people in a given situation, let alone one that is developing according
to an unknown amount of unknowns?
There is no way to know. Predicting something of this nature has nothing to do with objectivity. One might say that the past is the best indicator of
the future, but not when you are talking about a population of this size, at this time, under conditions that are not yet known.
You asked if you were wrong. Maybe, maybe not, a broken watch is right twice day. But you don't know, you can only guess.
OTOH, I say that if things get bad enough, Americans will revolt and take back their govt. Of course I don't know this for a fact anymore than you
But I have faith in the American people. With faith, I need no evidence, I just believe it because it makes me happy to do so, but in reality I can
still only guess. My guess is that they will, if
I don't agree that our freedoms have been eroded enough to justify violence yet, but mass demonstrations that could turn violent are
warranted, and I think that could spark it all off.
What has eroded imo is the sense of any accountability and responsibility that our elected officials should have for their constituents, but clearly
That is a very bad thing and it could well lead to the people feeling a need to prove to the govt that we are not going to tolerate it any further.
How that goes is anybodies guess.
Americans are a peace loving people. Americans are slow to anger, slow to fight.
Americans have often resisted initial efforts by the govt to involve them in a war they didn't initially want.
Americans didn't want to fight Spain, until they were given an incentive, the Maine blowing up in Havana. Americans didn't want to fight in WW1
until they got an incentive, the Lusitania. Americans didn' want to fight in WW2 until they got another incentive, Pearl Harbor. Vietnam.....the
USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy went inside the 12 mile international boundary and got into a fight..allegedly, the evidence sorely was lacking, but
congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution anyway.
Operation Iraqi freedom, they had WMDs, it's was a slam dunk.
The daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. played the part of a nurse and testified that she saw Iraqi soldiers killing babies and removing them
from incubators. Bush 1 repeated this story on tv. It was a total lie, she wasn't even in the hospital, but it sure pissed us off at the Iraqis.
We had to fight in WW2 anyway, I don't dispute that at all. But whether or not Pearl Harbor was arranged to happen by a machiavellian Roosevelt or
not, our entry into WW2 did follow a pattern of our ships being attacked without warning. Guaranteed war, every time.
Our govt is very aware of the fact that Americans do not like to fight. But they are also aware that Americans will always fight, if they are given
So, if that holds true, if we are to rise up against the govt, we have to believe we are doing the right thing first. The govt won't provide that
justification unless they want the people to confront them. And vice versa.
Imo you cannot BS like this indefinitely and get away with it. Sooner or later there will be a realization, even by functionally illiterate Americans,
and they will then have all the justification they need to strike back.
I think it's beginning now, thanks to the internet. This jive has gone on for a long time, but the masses are just now learning about it.
But I also rode to school on the short bus.