Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425

hey guys first post here, I've been searching for a news release of this EO and there is nothing at all about it. It's an outrage, talk about the best place to hide something is in plain sight, they flaunt it right on the white house page yet theres no press coverage whatsoever.

Everybody here sounds surprised. Why? I'm not. For starters, none of you really have any rights to begin with. Just when you think you might have rights, if they hurt or interfere with the Government in some way, they'll be taken away from you quicker than you can say "I'll Sue".

This EO is only happening to make something that may of been illegitemate, Legit. That's all. I would say the Pressure is on for Obama to produce his Authentic Fitness to be President and this is another "Safe Haven" for him. If not, There must be something else that is about to happen. Otherwise, Why now? Could there be another 9/11 type event about to happen or am I being Paranoid?
You can't tell me, that TPTB, just decided to bring about this EO for something to do? There's got to be more to it.

I just hope that this isn't the start of something BAD about to happen.

Obama's words have been failing to square with his actions from day one, actually even from before day one. Here's a link to a good article that chronicles some of Obama's BS by Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone. It's called "Obama's Big Sell Out".

Obama's Big Sell Out

Politically, I lean to the left. The left hates this health care bill too. The media is busy portraying anyone who opposes this bill as a nut, left or right.
Leaves little doubt as to who is pulling their strings.

When it comes to the second amendment, I'm on the right.

This whole left right thing is just a divide and conquer tactic I believe. I mean I have positions on both sides myself. Sure, conservatives and liberals disagree on some things. We used to settle things by voting. But now voting doesn't matter, and we're told to hate each other by the media, all day long. I think they are just exploiting our natural differences to distract us. We shouldn't let them do it...not now.

When it comes to the Constitution, I'm just another American who's willing to die for it if need be.

And it looks as though it may come to that. I hope not, but they are getting pretty brazen. Those executive orders..the ones about Interpol, could be easily be nothing. The one Kennedy signed in regard to the fed, that one still bothers me considerably.

They do seem to be daring us. It was this way when they passed NAFTA as well. I lived in KS then. Senator Dole knew the entire state was against that, but he voted for it anyway, despite what the clear wishes of his constituency were. His phone was off the hook. The message was clear, F. U. Mr. Voter.

With this health care bill however, they have really freaked people out. People are waking up. This thing certainly has got a hold of my attention, and if the blogs are any indication, and I think they are, we are having a massive national epiphany, right freaking now.

I think a lot of people will now be prompted to do see what else we are at risk of having mandated to us without any choice in the matter. Some would say that we do have a choice, that those are our duly elected representatives.

No, they're not. Not after they have broken their bond of trust with the people, openly, brazenly, defiantly and most certainly.

What's next? Will they moon us enmasse and flip us the bird?

I think this thing is on now, I don't think very many folks are going back to sleep after this. It could only be a matter of weeks now if this pattern of behavior continues. The govt apparently is going to have to be confronted by the people, and the task will have fallen to us.

I truly hope we can achieve the retaking our country with peaceful means should it become necessary. I hope that a million or so patriots marching together through DC will make the needed impression on TPTB.

I think they fear the American people being both wise to them and united in purpose more than anything else. Yet their actions seem to designed to produce just that.

Perhaps, if they would like to provoke a confrontation, provoke it early, before everyone comes to the same conclusion, that the U.S. govt has forsaken them.

I really hate that the govt is acting in a manner that actually makes me have to consider these possibilities, but our forefathers warned us and so did Eisenhower.

We'll see.




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ever see 500 million red nacks with guns back by us army navy an air force

Originally posted by Janky Red
Alright revolutionaries, only a couple more years to go before you will be lulled back to sleep by a sweet talking elephant

Ahh, but now we have awoken to the fact that both the Communist/Democrats and the Socialist/Republicans are two sides of the same antiamerican coin. So perhaps we will find a new leader with, say, the Tea Party. And then we can draw, hang, and quarter the despots. Maybe just tar and feather. No, I still like the first...

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It is becoming clear that Executive Orders are designed to avoid the law, and the whole concept of self-policing government, thru Congress, Exec., and the SCOTUS. They are unconstitutional, not that this bothers Piglosi.
Once again, I will emphasise that when Baraq Soetoro is exposed, everything he has said or done will be condidered null and void. All Orders, appointments, laws signed, treaties signed, all evaporate. And it may take a third party to push for his exposure. The elite control the Socialists as well.

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It is interesting to me how we as Americans accept each evil new agenda put forward by the NWO crooks, pulling the Prez's strings, without much more than a "woe is me!" Some here wonder, what it will take to "break the camels back?" and get the citizenry to revolt. Indeed, I feel TPTB are amazed as well at how no matter how obvious their tyrany the people just grumble and go on.

Some postulate, when will the sleeping giant of American Patriotism will be awakened? I am more inclined than ever to think the sleeping giant expired several decades ago and will never be awakened from the cold dead state it is in. We are witness to the death of all we hold dear, one EO at a time. I guess the only thing left to do is accept the masters will and learn to give homage to the FSA, Fascist States of America. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by buffalogoose
hey guys first post here, I've been searching for a news release of this EO and there is nothing at all about it. It's an outrage, talk about the best place to hide something is in plain sight, they flaunt it right on the white house page yet theres no press coverage whatsoever.

Welcome! You have discovered that the MSM (main streem media) are not reporting on important matters. MSM is all about Hollywood, sports and who is sleeping with who. Ask yourself, "how many died in Iraq today?" Chances are you wouldn't even know we were at war if you listened to MSM. First lesson, first regret.

(sorry this is my first post) we slowly but surely continue to lose our freedom. it is an outrage. the world is always in a constant search for the perfect government and one is yet to be found. obviously our government isn't as great as everyone believes and it has its many flaws. all we can do is do our best to make it as good as possible. we need to act on this and and take a stand and run this country like we're supposed to. rule of the people. the government is taking this power that is supposed to be ours. i think we should have access to all that the government has access to, actually (correct me if i'm wrong) we are the government according to the constitution so we should automatically gain access. these lies and trickery are not the way to be maintaining a "better" government.

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I hope Glen Beck actually stops doing his stupid book reviews and specials and runs with this story. Hi Glen if you read this sh*t or get off the pot. It seems we are being lulled back to sleep while are freedoms are making a quick run for the door. I believe the time may be short the ducks seem to be getting in a row. I had hope Glen would be a shinning light in a ever darkening room but maybe his light has been blown out to. History is actually being written as we talk right now what will his history be? If we hear nothing from him on this issue he might as well not exist in my book it is that important. I fear apathy is going to be our downfall it seems to be taking hold even as I write this.

Is their anyone who will speak for us not for themselves or big money? Are their any good men or women left? I fear I already know the answer I really want to have a American dream again I don't care even if it is a big one just hope honestly as I write this my heart is very heavy I don't even have hope anymore. How sad is that, the future in America I believe has never been so dim. It may have been worse but at least they had hope.

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From another angle, Interpol have a healthy reputation for hilighting and combining world intel re terrorism. Just imagine...you are a well known critique of the goverment, having posted on the internet and been to many legal demonstrations.

Interpol passes the word you are involved in terrorist activities and your taken off the street. Will your lawyer be able to obtain the evidence that says you are a terrorist and led to your arrest.????

Scary times indeed.

respects

I may be confused by all of this but this is section 2c of the exec order signed by reagan.

"Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held,shall be immune to search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. "

By taking out that section it seems to me that he is telling international groups that they do not have immunity to search and seizure. The sections before and after grant broad immunities to intl. governments doing work on our soil.

Perhaps someone with a better mind can explain why this is bad.

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As a participatory agent established as lead agent and within its own constitution and mission statement interpol preceeds and is the central data hold. It does not enact or administer law it merely facilitates.
I guess the best visual explaination would be, "if there was a spider web interpol fills in all the spaces as best that it can"

This move did just create the framework for our participation in a global data base on u.s. citizens with / without criminal implication, like a surveilance on activity mode, another example, minority report.

Youre watched.....more.
More eyes?
A huge concern should be WHO within any agency is watching, and what part of anyones activity will trigger "further" investigation.
A human will determine whether your activity is SUSPECT.
could be bank transactions, travel, purchases, emails, phone calls, internet activity, revenue shifts.
Its no ones business what you do.
www.youtube.com...





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Originally posted by kenochs
I may be confused by all of this but this is section 2c of the exec order signed by reagan.

By taking out that section it seems to me that he is telling international groups that they do not have immunity to search and seizure. The sections before and after grant broad immunities to intl. governments doing work on our soil.

Perhaps someone with a better mind can explain why this is bad.

You missed what he is actually changing. He is not REMOVING that entire section, rather he is broadening the scope to which it applies tp include INTERPOL:

it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.

Isn't this an illegal use of the EO privilege? This seems like a set of policies which would fall under International Treaty Law, yet another example of an area reserved for the legislature which the executive is intruding on.

EO's cannot be used for matters which fall under the powers of the other branches of government. Too bad no one in the Senate or Congress will stand up and do something about it.

Originally posted by ecoparity
Isn't this an illegal use of the EO privilege? This seems like a set of policies which would fall under International Treaty Law, yet another example of an area reserved for the legislature which the executive is intruding on.

EO's cannot be used for matters which fall under the powers of the other branches of government. Too bad no one in the Senate or Congress will stand up and do something about it.

It was illegal for him to chair the United Nations Security Council. Yes you are damn right its illegal.

I find it absolutely hilarious that so many people come here and spout off about all this going on and never even take into consideration that the reason you have a Constitution and a Declaration of Independence is because the Colonists got fed up with the "executive orders" that were being handed to them by the British.

Many here will denounce any kind of uprising as "unpatriotic" and as something that "will never happen" in this country, all the while forgetting that an uprising, called "war", was EXACTLY what it took for us to HAVE a Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Some here go as far as supporting a war in another country because some leader told you it was the right thing to do and at the same time, the country you support being invaded has never done anything to you personally.

Like they say, What goes around, comes around. There is now an enemy at our gates but he is waging war from "inside" the camp.

Viva la Revolution.........

peas

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I am more inclined than ever to think the sleeping giant expired several decades ago and will never be awakened from the cold dead state it is in.

Who knows? How can one gauge the thoughts and potential actions of 300 million people in a given situation, let alone one that is developing according to an unknown amount of unknowns?

There is no way to know. Predicting something of this nature has nothing to do with objectivity. One might say that the past is the best indicator of the future, but not when you are talking about a population of this size, at this time, under conditions that are not yet known.

You asked if you were wrong. Maybe, maybe not, a broken watch is right twice day. But you don't know, you can only guess.

OTOH, I say that if things get bad enough, Americans will revolt and take back their govt. Of course I don't know this for a fact anymore than you do.

But I have faith in the American people. With faith, I need no evidence, I just believe it because it makes me happy to do so, but in reality I can still only guess. My guess is that they will, if provoked sufficiently.

I don't agree that our freedoms have been eroded enough to justify violence yet, but mass demonstrations that could turn violent are warranted, and I think that could spark it all off.
What has eroded imo is the sense of any accountability and responsibility that our elected officials should have for their constituents, but clearly don't.

That is a very bad thing and it could well lead to the people feeling a need to prove to the govt that we are not going to tolerate it any further. How that goes is anybodies guess.

Americans are a peace loving people. Americans are slow to anger, slow to fight.

Americans have often resisted initial efforts by the govt to involve them in a war they didn't initially want.

Americans didn't want to fight Spain, until they were given an incentive, the Maine blowing up in Havana. Americans didn't want to fight in WW1 until they got an incentive, the Lusitania. Americans didn' want to fight in WW2 until they got another incentive, Pearl Harbor. Vietnam.....the USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy went inside the 12 mile international boundary and got into a fight..allegedly, the evidence sorely was lacking, but congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution anyway.

Operation Iraqi freedom, they had WMDs, it's was a slam dunk.

The daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. played the part of a nurse and testified that she saw Iraqi soldiers killing babies and removing them from incubators. Bush 1 repeated this story on tv. It was a total lie, she wasn't even in the hospital, but it sure pissed us off at the Iraqis.

We had to fight in WW2 anyway, I don't dispute that at all. But whether or not Pearl Harbor was arranged to happen by a machiavellian Roosevelt or not, our entry into WW2 did follow a pattern of our ships being attacked without warning. Guaranteed war, every time.

Our govt is very aware of the fact that Americans do not like to fight. But they are also aware that Americans will always fight, if they are given sufficient justification.

So, if that holds true, if we are to rise up against the govt, we have to believe we are doing the right thing first. The govt won't provide that justification unless they want the people to confront them. And vice versa.

Imo you cannot BS like this indefinitely and get away with it. Sooner or later there will be a realization, even by functionally illiterate Americans, and they will then have all the justification they need to strike back.

I think it's beginning now, thanks to the internet. This jive has gone on for a long time, but the masses are just now learning about it.

But I also rode to school on the short bus.

the person some people call their president, obama wants to rule the world not just the USA.... He is slowly heading that way. First he will make America a communist country then all the little countries that have no leadership will be next, they will be easy to take over. eventually who knows what will happen. Yes, this is a worse case sanario, but obama is setting up for something big and bad for us Americans I certainly know that!

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BTW

Here's the text of 2(c), which this EO now has applying to INTERPOL:



(c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.

So this new EO has just REMOVED this clause from the earlier EO?

So the archives of international organizations are no longer inviolable?

So now Interpol is MORE accountable than it was before?

So what is the problem with that? I don't understand your problem.