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Ignorance Is Strength - Russia - Death of a Nation

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posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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I came across the article below and wondered why I had never heard of the story before. Maybe you have, but a refresher isn't going to harm anyone......



Ignorance Is Strength: In Russia, it’s “1984″

When future historians try to put a date on the demise of the post-Soviet era of freedom in Russia, they may well choose May 19, 2009.

The event hardly comes unanticipated. Virtually since its beginning in the peaceful revolution of 1991, Russia (whose leaders now sneer at peaceful revolutions in other ex-Soviet states) has moved in the direction of authoritarian government and restrictions on basic freedoms such as freedom of religion and freedom of assembly. While retaining the forms of democracy, the Kremlin has learned how to use its control of the media and the intelligence services to ensure that its candidates win the important races.

Up until now, one could at least argue that Russians were better off than they were under communism because they at least have freedom of speech and of the press.

But that is about to change.

The Kremlin announced today that it is forming a new 28-member commission whose mission is to combat “the falsification of historical facts and events aimed to disparage the international prestige of the Russian Federation.” Now let’s read between the lines. The commission won’t have any power outside Russia, so the bit about protecting the country’s international prestige is a lame fiction. The real goal is to make sure that the Russian people only know the history that the Kremlin wants them to know.

In case the meaning of this isn’t crystal clear, note that the commission will be headed by the President’s chief of staff and will include various Kremlin officials including members of the foreign and domestic intelligence agencies. You might well ask why the services of Russia’s spy bureaus are needed to fight battles over how Russian history is portrayed. Let me spell it out for you: since Russian history includes everything up to the present moment, any Russian anywhere in the world can now expect to be held accountable for any statement made about his or her country. In fact, the intelligence services can easily fabricate evidence that any opponents of the Kremlin have distorted Russian history. Together with a new law being drafted to make any criticism of Soviet actions during WWII (such as the Katyn massacre) a crime punishable by up to three years in prison, you can pretty much write the obituary of the free exchange of ideas in Russia and give it today’s date.

The outrage is not lost on Russia’s beleaguered liberals, who expressly compared these moves to George Orwell’s “1984″ (Reminder: This book is required reading at Sanity Injection!). Orwell’s nightmare totalitarian dystopia had as one of its mottos, “Ignorance Is Strength”. And indeed, Russian leaders seem to believe that keeping their people in ignorance of truth will keep their government strong.

Russian-American comedian Yakov Smirnoff enjoyed a brief period of acclaim in the 1980s for his jokes about Soviet repression. In this case, he might say something like, “In America student can write report on history of government. In Soviet Union, government writes report on student and student is history!”

It would be funny, if it weren’t so deadly serious. The Soviet Union, for all intents and purposes, is back, minus the collective socialism and the red flags. The model of governance for today’s Russian leaders isn’t Washington or London but Beijing.

sanityinjection.wordpress.com...

This then reminded me of a documentary I watched a couple of years ago:

Death of a Nation - Russia

Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
Part Five
Part Six

Whenever the "New World Order" crops up in conversation, people instantly think of the USA and UK. But it seems that the rest of the world, even the Wests 'enemies', are suffering from this possible totalitarian objective.




posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 02:35 PM
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Surely somebody has something to say on this matter?

Some additional information on the documentary I linked in the previous post:

Fifteen years after the fall of Communism, Marcel Theroux goes on a personal journey through Putin's Russia. He discovers a country that's literally dying. When the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1991 it was generally assumed that life was going to get better for the average Russian. Sadly, however, as Marcel Theroux's journey through this vast and troubled country graphically demonstrates, most people are actually worse off than they were 15 years ago. In fact, modern Russia seems to have most of the disadvantages of the old Communist system, but few of the advantages.

Meanwhile, the majority of the country's wealth has been siphoned off by a tiny minority of oligarchs and mafia-backed businessmen. So, although the economy has grown rapidly in recent years (largely thanks to the country's vast mineral wealth), most people have grown poorer in real terms. The country Theroux explores is in serious decline. The population is already falling and threatened further by the very real possibility of a million deaths from AIDS by 2020.

Most shocking of all is his encounter with some racist Cossacks who have been persecuting the Turks in their neighbourhood. They accost the crew, force Theroux to drink their moonshine, whip the film's director until he's bleeding, and sing and dance uproariously while Theroux peruses their preferred reading matter: Mein Kampf. "The next step is the concentration camp," he says, ashen faced.
www.mazalien.com...



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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I would not call it death of nation,surely. Russia has a lot of problems, ex KGB guys with according mentality in the top places certainly do not help the situation. But it is a mistake to write whole Russia off. 70 years under "Communism" and bloody WW2 did not brake its back. Current situation is like peanuts in comparison.
Russia got nukes, resources and a lot of bright people. It balances Chinese threat, industrial weakness and hordes of ignorant hooligans.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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There are too many salacious half-truths in the OPs diatribe to possibly address. Medvedev and Putin are the only things keeping the world together.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Medvedev and Putin are the only things keeping the world together.

?
I can understand people who say God is the only thing keeping the world together. Little less, but i still can understand people who say that laws of physics keep the world together.
But thinking that ANY politician is that important - is ,well, ???
I assure you that if one night both of those magic pillars (aka Putin and Medvedev) holding the world in place would disappear and even be replaced by evil clones of Kissinger - world would still exist.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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the world as you know would be at an end



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Death of a Nation was merely the title of the documentary, not necessarily my own opinion.

The problem as I see it is that Russia seems to be in a slow, steady decline. Not something that is instantly recognisable and can be sorted but a problem that slips under the radar of most people.

"The population is already falling and threatened further by the very real possibility of a million deaths from AIDS by 2020."

Its certainly not the healthy and prosperous country it would like the rest of the world to think it is.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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The UK is in as steep and rapid a decline as Russia. The only difference is that the UK has a shorter distance to fall to hit ground.

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock ...



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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I disagree.

Can you provide some examples/evidence to back up your opinions?



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Sure, veronica - here's some info on the EU's North Sea Province, rusting away into obscurity ... I'll roll these out 9 at a time, so let me know when your forthcoming chest-pounding jingoism is done with this batch and I'll post a second group.

1. Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the US and any country in Europe
www.thisislondon.co.uk...

2. Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in western Europe ...
www.independent.co.uk...

3. England's most famous landmarks are 'falling into disrepair' because of lack of funds
www.channel4.com...

4. The UK leads the world in surveillance of its people.
www.guardian.co.uk...

5. In 2007/08, 13½ million people in the UK were living in households below this poverty threshold. This is around a fifth (22%) of the population.
www.poverty.org.uk...

6. Almost half of UK military personnel are ready to leave the forces, a Ministry of Defence survey suggests.
news.bbc.co.uk...

7. A third of Britain's armed forces would struggle to be ready for action, a damning parliamentary report has concluded.
findarticles.com...

8. UK Remains Last G20 Economy In Recession
www.freshbusinessthinking.com...

9. Over the past decade there has been a substantial increase in diagnoses of most Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) in the UK, and reports of two of the most common STDs have shown massive rises.
www.avert.org...



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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"forthcoming chest-pounding jingoism"



Thanks for the links, although I have seen all of that information before. I never said that the UK was all fine and dandy, far from it, all I stated was that I believe Russia is worse off.

poverty.suite101.com...
Dying Russia
Russia is Dying
...Russia is Collapsing
Rural Russia is dying of Poverty, Neglect
HIV/AIDS Epidemic in Russia

Watch the documentary I linked earlier, it makes for fascinating viewing.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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I've seen and read plenty of propaganda. If you choose to believe it, you are perfectly entitled.

I provided links showing the decay and decline of the UK from western sources.

An equitable, in-kind response will be links showing the decay and decline of Russia from Russian sources. I'll wait patiently.

(also, please stop giving me stuff from wikipedia and places called "the Swami Center" - I had the courtesy to quote academically acceptable, real sources, not fringe lunacy)

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posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Propaganda it may well be, but that doesn't make it false. I appreciate that my sources were from Western nations, but that merely highlights the OP's original point:

"The real goal is to make sure that the Russian people only know the history that the Kremlin wants them to know."

You will find that Russian officials and media agencies don't believe there to be a problem, denial. They do not wish for other nations to see their decline, therefore articles proving such things are hard to come by.

Russia, the sick man of Europe
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Getting back on topic, I would gladly look at any articles you could find from Russian sources that corroborate or disprove the OP



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Propaganda it may well be, but that doesn't make it false.

It does, however, eliminate prima facie credibility. Like so many before you, however, Germans of the '30's, Italians of the '20's, etc., you happily gobble it down like a hungry little piglet.

I appreciate that my sources were from Western nations, but that merely highlights the OP's original point: "The real goal is to make sure that the Russian people only know the history that the Kremlin wants them to know."

It highlights a sophistry into which you've bought hook, line and sinker.

You will find that Russian officials and media agencies don't believe there to be a problem, denial.

No, I've not found that. Source? (or is this another case where the black helicopters of the MVD have secreted all the sources away and I need to take the word of a wikipedia article you read, a video you found on YouTube, Lord Conrad Black's newspaper, or something called the Swami Center)

They do not wish for other nations to see their decline, therefore articles proving such things are hard to come by.

that's convenient, for you

Getting back on topic, I would gladly look at any articles you could find from Russian sources that corroborate or disprove the OP

This is not an interrogation by MI5's political crimes bureau. It is a discussion in which there is a free interchange of thoughts and ideas, a concept which may - admittedly - be foreign to you. I replied to your original request, when you do me the courtesy of replying to my own request-in-response with something other than a self-perpetuating, simpleton excuse ("Russia is a dictatorship, therefore I can't find any citations that prove what I'm saying") I will happily provide citation to your latest hysterical rant.



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posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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First of all, I have not ranted once. It is you who has been consistently rude, sarcastic and pompous throughout this "discussion in which there is a free interchange of thoughts and ideas."

"I would gladly look at any articles you could find from Russian sources that corroborate or disprove the OP."

So I admit defeat. I bow down to you, all knowing, all wise being. Please educate me and rid me of my ignorance.

Show me some Russian sources that disprove my beliefs. Enlighten me some more.




posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Why did Lord Conrad Black's newspaper cover the big bad Russians invading poor Georgia, but they - nor any other western media to any appreciable degree - cover the west's Most Favored Dictator, the thug Saakashvili, blowing up a monument to Georgian troops KIA during WWII last weekend to make way for another monument to himself? Why don't they cover the fact that Georgia's main opposition party has come forward with allegations of Saakashvili being a drug addict? Isn't it relevant when discussions are proceeding quickly to admit Georgia to NATO, a state-of-affairs that would require the UK's decrepit and under-equipped military to go to war with Russia if ever that nation sent in peacekeepers to stop that thug Shaakashvili's troops from butchering Ossetians again?

Everything you've read is a lie. But you're too happy to gobble it up as truth. Yummy yummy yummy - propaganda in your tummy!

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posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by LiveForever8
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Show me some Russian sources that disprove my beliefs. Enlighten me some more.


Since it didn't take the first time, Cindy - -

This is not an interrogation by MI5's political crimes bureau. It is a discussion in which there is a free interchange of thoughts and ideas, a concept which may - admittedly - be foreign to you. I replied to your original request, when you do me the courtesy of replying to my own request-in-response with something other than a self-perpetuating, simpleton excuse ("Russia is a dictatorship, therefore I can't find any citations that prove what I'm saying") I will happily provide citation to your latest hysterical rant.



[edit on 22-12-2009 by apologist]



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