posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:52 PM
Originally posted by kenochs
reply to post by Chronogoblin
I don't necessarily disagree with you on some of this but on the nuclear thing... we've been deciding who does and doesn't get nukes since we
And we're not alone, the members of the Nuclear club are a very small group, and they have been very, very ham-fisted about keeping them in the
And while what I know about Afghanistan is limited to what I see and read (since I've never been there), I do know it's a terrible place to get in a
fight, but I also know that a resurgent Taliban is an incredibly destabilizing force.
I also know that their safe haven's are in Pakistan, and that Pakistan has the bomb. I don't know how this scenario ends well without defusing the
And by the way, I don't link the Taliban and Al Qaeda, one is a real problem, one is a loose affiliation of Saudi supported extremists who have for
the most part been sidelined.
The taliban & CIA manufactured Al Qaeda are about 6000 miles from destabilizing US soil.. If they are such a big deal, and pose such an immediate
threat.. there are local nations fully capable of handling their own back yard.
But guess what, they don't see US enemies as their enemy.. they see them as brother pakistanis..
..and if many people of pakistan / afghanistan embrace the taliban over US puppets.. that is the locals expressing their choice, we should respect
that and point the finger at our govts failure at meddling in their business.
If the US govt was offering these folks a better deal, why aren't they jumping on it? why are they violently rejecting US presence? maybe because
they know from local history how US puppets operate, that empires violently roll in with fairy tales about terrorist boogie-men, lofty empty
promises.. and they're not interested.
This article sums up US failure nicely:
"The Pakistanis don't see the Afghan Taliban and allied Haqqani network as a clear and present danger,"
Why should they? because the US govt says so?..laughable.
"For this reason the Pakistanis are unwilling to take on the Afghan Taliban in a proxy war for their fickle U.S. allies," he said. "They have
already lost some 2,000 of their own troops fighting the Pakistani Taliban in what many Pakistanis see as a surrogate war against fellow Pakistanis on
behalf of the U.S. And should the U.S. withdraw troops one day and the Taliban sweep into power, the Pakistanis don't want to have a record of having
They know the US / NATO be driven out one day.. and they'll still be there needing to co-exist with their neighbors.
On top of all that.. only 2% in pakistan believe Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.. 27% opined it was the US govt... clearly the pakistanis don't
share your "destabilizing force" opinion, if anything they see the US as more of a destabilizing force... and as liars. Who wants to fight for