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Is Obama conspiring to eliminate Christianity?

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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America may not be down for the count yet, but if people like the OP continue to breed, it certainly will be. I mean really... how long until it's revealed to the world that Obama eats only freshly aborted white babies for all 3 meals everyday?


The Kenyan birth thing never stuck, so now he wants to destroy christianity?
Mmm-hmmm... and he dug up my dead grandmother and defiled her too.
The man is pure evil.




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
What they fail to understand is that you may be able to take Christianity out of public square, but you will NEVER remove it from the hearts of believers. The day of reckoning will soon be at hand!


Ya Chuck doesn't get it, christianity is based on INDIVIDUAL relationships with god.
Are we religosocialists???

The point is believing, people still retain that freedom and always will by the very laws of nature.

I reckon Chuck has little FAITH and does not really understand the concept of the individual like a good old fashion Lib-ral does

Maybe he can sell more total gyms and work out enough to fit thru the eye of the needle.

I RECKON its possible and on that day I will reckon that gym sure does work.

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
Anyone who believes that America was not founded on Christian values is an obviously brainwashed fool who has participated in the zionist controlled public edukashin. Zionism is doing everything in its power to eliminate Christian influence on society. They know that principled men will take a stand against the atrocities that they perpetrate on mankind. What they fail to understand is that you may be able to take Christianity out of public square, but you will NEVER remove it from the hearts of believers. The day of reckoning will soon be at hand!


Jefferson was one of the chief architects of the republic, and he didn't want christianity messing it up... but apparently you're okay with that.
www.worldfuturefund.org...



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:15 AM
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Jefferson was a swell guy, ripping up the Bible and then preaching equality while banging his slaves, at least Washington freed his slaves upon his death.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Chainmaker
Jefferson was a swell guy, ripping up the Bible and then preaching equality while banging his slaves, at least Washington freed his slaves upon his death.





Interesting point. But do you feel this negates his premise of church and state separation?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by Chainmaker
Jefferson was a swell guy, ripping up the Bible and then preaching equality while banging his slaves, at least Washington freed his slaves upon his death.





Interesting point. But do you feel this negates his premise of church and state separation?


I believe that separation of church and state is a double-edged sword. It was great in the beginning when freedom of religion meant freedom of Christian denomination. Now Satan has used it to attack the religious fabric that formerly held the nation together.

Even if America never had an official religion so as to prevent fighting, America was vast, vast majority Christian for most of its history and I believe that the basic ideas of human rights and freedom for all under God are rooted in Judeo-Christianity. I think it is ridiculous to state that America's system of government and prosperity occured in spite of the Christian culture of its people.

I think that the separation of church and state has now been used to remove God from people's lives as much as possible, and I think that has had a very negative effect on the culture. America was never perfect, but America's best days are past, in large part because of a lack of morality due to a lack of God.

If the non-Christian likes to say that America prospered in spite of Christianity, I like to say that America prospered in spite of freedom of religion, because the vast majority chose to exercise their freedom of religion by remaining moral, and throughout most of American history, much Christian morality was legislated, and things kept getting better instead of worse.

People will constantly harp on all the negatives in American history to discredit Christianity while ignoring that it was the most free and prosperous nation ever, and progressively became more free and more prosperous.

Not coincidentally, in my opinion, since the initial major cultural shift toward pagan religions and no religion in the 60s, America has been on a steady downward spiral, and we are now watching its death throes as the bastion of freedom and prosperity it once was.

There are plenty of doomsday predictions about the future of the American economy around, I don't need to mention them. I look around and see a cesspool of selfishness and immorality, and I know from talking to old people that there was a time when people were under the now so-called "horribly oppressive" cultural Christian morality, but they didn't have to lock their doors back then. Mayberry really existed, and it didn't have a mosque or a gay bar.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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"Not coincidentally, in my opinion, since the initial major cultural shift toward pagan religions and no religion in the 60s, America has been on a steady downward spiral, and we are now watching its death throes as the bastion of freedom and prosperity it once was."

You said it! Do you know what else took place in the 60's? "The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer" in 1963,between the church in Rome and a sister church in South Carolina.(And,"coincidentally" all the new-age religions sprouted,prayer in school attacked,drugs,"free love",all the rest....)

Go to your library and check out "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin.

From
www.tldm.org...
..a little info here...

QUOTE:

...."From 1958 until 1964, Jesuit priest Malachi Martin served in Rome where he was a close associate of, and carried out many sensitive missions for the renowned Jesuit Cardinal Augustin Bea and the pope. Released afterwards from his vows of poverty and obedience at his own request (but still a priest), he ultimately moved to New York and became a best-selling writer of fiction and non-fiction.
Martin had first made reference to a diabolic rite held in Rome in his 1990 non-fiction best-seller about geopolitics and the Vatican, The Keys of This Blood, in which he wrote:

"Most frighteningly for [Pope] John Paul [II], he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia—rites and practices— was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites." (p. 632)

These allegations have largely gone unnoticed, possibly because he was so crafty in his descriptions that he might even have been referring to the coronation of Pope Paul VI. But he revealed much more about this alleged ritual in one of his last works, Windswept House: A Vatican Novel (1996).

In this story, he vividly described a ceremony called “The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer” supposedly held in St. Paul’s Chapel in the Vatican, but linked with concurrent satanic rites here in the U.S., on June 29, 1963, barely a week after the election of Paul VI. In the novel, before he dies, a pope leaves a secret account of the situation on his desk for the next occupant of the throne of Peter, a thinly-disguised John Paul II.

According to The New American, Martin confirmed that the ceremony did indeed occur as he had described. “Oh yes, it is true; very much so,” the magazine reported he said. “But the only way I could put that down into print is in novelistic form.”

Martin's accusation of a satanic ritual at the Vatican was also confirmed by John Loeffler, host of the Steel on Steel radio show. Mr. Loeffler personally asked Fr. Malachi Martin (who had been a regular guest on his show) about the reported dedication to satan within the Vatican:

"You know Malachi confirmed—the first part of his book, Windswept House—he confirmed the dedication of the Vatican to satan in a secret ceremony that occurred unknown even to the Pope at that time, that he managed to pick up. And I did ask him, 'Was this true? Did it happen?' And he [Fr. Martin] said, 'yes, it did.'" - John Loeffler (July 29, 2000 radio show) "....



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
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America is not down and out yet. Nope. There is REAL hope still.
When America has reached the limit, America will act.


Yes yes, and soon. I hear Iroquois rumblings of unrest are everywhere.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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I am sorry but Chuck Norris is a crazed extremist. Obama would never do something like that because Christianity is important to, too many people. They would revolt, not only the Christians but just about every religious group barring some Muslim extremists. The good thing about your country is it is very Christian, lack of religious diversity ensures some guarantee of peace, and the non-Christians like living in a Christian country, they would never allow it.

What a surprise a Texan believes a black man is the anti-christ



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
Obama.... not walking the walk..... "Whatever we were, we are no longer a Christian nation" & "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation."


who said that Obama, or any other President for that matter, has to "walk the walk," as you put it?

this is NOT a christian nation and it was NEVER intended as such

freedom of religion is one of the two main reasons this country was founded!

not everyone admires or respects the idea of christianity, both state-side and abroad. there are no doubt countless reasons for this, but one of the biggest is HYPOCRISY - something Christ abhors without exception!
christians have gained a reputation for hypocrisy, for whatever reason it ultimately doesn't matter, but it certainly goes without saying that sincere diplomacy has no use for hypocrisy.

i'd rather be known as an HONEST nation than as a "christian" nation




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