Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by downisreallyup
Aaah - ok. We're dealing with someone who doesn't understand what the scientific method is. That makes a lot of sense.
We have observed, in labs, one species becoming two separate species that can no longer interbreed. We have observed, in real life, two species also
becoming to separate species that can no longer breed.
I don't have to contest a website any more than I have to contest a crazy person walking the streets with bananas for shoes, who is making claims
that the sun is made out of pizza and the core of the earth is Mozzarella. It's up to the person making the incredible claims to back up their
claims with actual evidence, not baseless conjecture.
It would help you no end to actually know about things before you try to trash them, as it will help you not look so foolish in future. Clearly your
biology education was rather lacking, so here are two links to two Wikipedia articles about evolution and speciation.
Read those - it's in your best interests.
Sorry bud, but splitting an existing creature into two incompatible species is not evolution. No, that is not introducing anything MORE COMPLEX.
That is not introducing any NEW USEFUL MECHANISMS. Come on man, we thinking people are not fools. And here's the clincher... where are all the
failed attempts? Huh?
Let's say I want to open a safe that has a 10-digit combination. Opening this safe represents a SINGLE biological improvement. Now, I try every
combination randomly, and every time I try a combination, I write it down and throw the paper on the ground. I keep trying a new combination and
throwing the papers on the ground. Finally, as the law of averages would dictate, I open the door after about 5 billion tries (half of 10 billion).
So what does the record show? An open safe (new single mechanism found by chance), and 5 billion fossils showing the failed attempts.
Now, that is only a single opening of the safe. But, in this REAL world of ours, there are literally billions of these functionally useful and
increasingly complex biological mechanisms existing. So, if we have to open the safe billions of times, there will be a literal ocean of pieces of
paper burying the world... where is this mountain of failed, deformed, monster-like creatures? Where are the creatures with legs jutting out from
their bodies? Where are the creatures with 5 eyes? Even 3 eyes? I'm talking about MORE than 2 eyesballs, not compound insect eyes that work on a
completely different principle. Show me a creature that has 3 or more eyeballs, because certainly, when random chance was rolling the dice of eyeball
count, there must have been many attempts that produced 3 eyes, or eyes in vertical alignment, or eyes located SOMEWHERE else besides the head.
Mutations know no bounds, since they are random, remember? Mutations are mistakes. They happen because of a malfunction in the DNA processes. They
can happen to any part of the DNA, so any kind of weird result can occur.
You can't have random and intelligent at the same time. Intelligence knows how to avoid the useless and hindering mechanisms, but chance MUST
produce them. So where are they? Come on, I'd love to believe your stupid theory, but I just can't avoid the sheer lunacy of the what you
evolutionists are proposing.
The fact is, when a mutation happens, it is nearly always harmful, and in the rest of the cases, it is harmless. But harmless is not the same as
beneficial. Plus, mutations don't typically get passed down to subsequent generations, since it was a mistake in the first place.
There are two things which serve to make evolution unworkable for me. I can accept that evolution explains how small adjustments can happen to
creatures. It explains how you can have dogs with short legs, and long legs, short snouts, and long snouts. Those are like adjusting the dial on a
radio, and I can see that and accept it as a means of adaptation.
What I can't accept is that a radio somehow turns into a television. A television has entire new circuits and electronic components. Using
electronics as an analogy, let's just try to see how the picture tube, added piece by piece to the radio, could possibly result in a television.
Okay, so we have a radio, and let's say through some "radio DNA mutation" a small glob of glass appears in the radio. Now, if that can happen at
all, I would also expect to see radios with all kinds of other globs in them... globs of clay, globs of plastic, globs of mold, etc. But, let's say
that these globs do appear. Well, first off, the likelihood that the glob would be located in a place that interfered with the radio's operation is
high, since there are more places it could prevent operation than not. But, let's say that one particular radio has the glob of glass located at a
place that doesn't hurt it. That won't cause more radio sales of that model because there is no advantage. But, let's say that the little bit of
glass caused an increase in radio reception some how. Okay, I can see how that might cause more people to buy that radio...oh, but wait...that bit of
glass was just an accident, remember? So, if that mutation was somehow passed onto to the "baby radios" of the next generation, you would also
expect to see the same thing with the other mutations. So, there should be lots of radios with all kinds of extra globs of something in them.
Now, let's say that the radios with better reception somehow are able to multiply more, and this extra bit of glass gives better reception, but only
in the position it is located. Alright, that can then make for a greater number of radios that have this random bit of glass. But since this was a
mutation, it is highly unlikely that the same mistake would happen over and over and over again. This mutation happened because of damage to the DNA
Now, this situation, with many radios having small globs of some foreign substance produces a mountain of junk radios. For every radio that has a
harmless or beneficial glob of glass, there are many others that have a detrimental glob.
Now, this is just a small glob of glass. Think of how many steps would be necessary to product an actual picture tube. All the glass, in the just
the right place. The metal parts, in just the right place. The vacuum. The phosphorous in just the right pattern. The electron gun. The
deflection coil and circuitry for the sweep pattern. Now, for every one of those enhancements, which must all work together perfectly, there would be
a gazillion mistakes, failed mechanisms, partial mechanisms, all piling up in the fossil record, and also hindering any further progress.
Let's take a single example in the body. The joint of any limb. This is a mechanism that moves, with limited range of motion. It REQUIRES a layer
of lubricated material (cartilage) in order to work smoothly and pain-free. It also requires carefully-placed muscles to allow for motion within the
range. No cartilage layer, no joint. No muscles, no joint. Muscles connected differently, no useful movement. Now, if you can imagine this
mechanism coming about slowly, piece-by-piece, you would quickly see that any intermediate version would give the creature a disadvantage, not an
advantage. That's the problem with evolution, right there. While a complex mechanism is being evolved slowly, it actually serves as a detriment to
the creature, thereby preventing its further development.
Now, where is any creature that has a limb with muscles connected at a wrong point? Where is a creature that has a leg that bends the wrong way?
Where is the creature that has an extra joint, or a useless joint?
[edit on 5-1-2010 by downisreallyup]