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With the use of Equation 2, a corrected analysis was
performed employing the values of NL, N0 and the corre-
sponding distances from the epicenters as reported by Le-
vengood and Talbott (1999). As in the latter reference,
data points corresponding to the central ‘tufts’ in the for-
mations were omitted in the analysis. It was found that
the Pearson product moment correlation coefﬁcient, R
(Levengood and Talbott 1999), decreases in one of the
This time course and location of gravitropically induced curvatures in stems of goosegrass (Galium aparine L.), a member of the Rubiaceae, have been investigated. In the early stages of the response (0–5 h), curvature develops throughout the growing region, and is followed by an autotropic straightening which affects the internodes only, leading to the production of essentially straight internodes some 15 h after the onset of gravistimulation. Curvatures developing in the nodal regions, however, continue to increase over this period, and are not subject to reversal by autotropism. The nodal curvatures are not entirely dependent on the presence of any other part of the plant, since marked curvatures can be induced in isolated nodal segments. This pattern of response leads ultimately to correction of the growth direction of the plant by means of curvature responses confined exclusively to the nodes, despite the initial participation of both nodes and internodes in the gravitropic reaction.
"Taken as an isolated criterion node size data cannot be relied upon as a definite verification of a ‘genuine’ crop formation. From these observed variations, it is quite evident that [cell wall] pit size alone cannot be used as a validation tool.” 
W. C. Levengood, “Anatomical Anomalies in Crop Formation Plants,” Physiologia Plantarum 92 (1994): 356-363.
There are common aspects among the anomalous features listed in Tab. I which provide clues to the general forces producing crop formations. The affected plants have components which suggest the involvement of rapid air movement, ionization, electric fields and transient high temperatures combined with an oxidizing atmosphere. One naturally occurring and organized force incorporating each of these features is, as previously mentioned, an ion plasma vortex, one very high energy example being a lightning discharge.
By no means does the author pretend to present a ‘lithmus
test’ for distinction between a ‘genuine’ crop formation,
whatever it may be, and a hand-ﬂattened area of crop. Much
more data would have to be analyzed and thorough statistical
studies will be necessary before such a criterion can be deﬁned.
However, the position-dependent pulvinus length, and in
particular the apparent organised character of the data
analysed, is interesting and stimulates further study.
BLT can't say ET's created cropcircles, but you then say it is safe to say that humans don't make them.
Originally posted by UfosExiZt
reply to post by atlasastro
Ofcourse BLT can't say these ccs has been created by ET.
However, since some features of the genuine ccs can't be explained by human making www.bltresearch.com... , as well as in the incredibly short timespan these ccs has been made (the one by stonehenge in 30 min!www.dudeman.net... ) , it would be very safe to say that humans couldn't have achieved these aspects.
You have no evidence that these circles appear that quickly. It is a claim based on "witness" testimony.
1. Humans can't make a "giant" cropcircle in a couple of minutes, it would take hours, therefore humans are ruled out at once at this point.
No explanation you say has been found, but you have found an explanation. You say they are not man made. The Node claims are fraudulent. Show me photo's of blown nodes taken on site for all the crop circles you claim are not man made.
2. Many many anamolies exist in some of the genuine ccs which can't be reproduced by humans such as blown or elongaded nodes. This anomalie only exist INSIDE the cropcircles, and nowhere else. No explanation has been found for this phenomena. There are many anomalies just like this one that rules out humans.
Yes, your list of no evidence is extremely long.
3. No whole video of a cc being made has been filmed that is perfect and huge in lets say 1 hour. Let alone in pitch darkness.
No proof what so ever humans have done a huge cc in a a very short amount of time (for example less than 1 hour).
The list could be loooong.
Yes, we sceptics are stupid. We think there are trees on Mars. Oh, hang on, that is you.
As I said, only stupid sceptics ignore the facts and they only believe what they want to believe and try to find proof that backs up their belief.
A so called self fullfilling prophecy.
So again, Google the facts and you shall find. I've googled some for you as you can see since you seemed to get lost in your ignorant delusional little world. Hope it helped.
Thank you for those kind words. You are right to point out the passion exhibited by members of ATS in relation to the topic, it is one I share, although from a vastly different perspective.
Originally posted by xfiler
reply to post by atlasastro
A very enjoyable and informative thread atlasastro ......though I can understand why when some people are very passionate about this topic.
There are amazing, regardless of what cause we attribute to them. And there are some intriguing claims of unusual occurrences surrounding the formations.
Crop circles are an amazing and beautiful form of design.......energies once they enter the circles just adds to the intrigue.
I am glad that you see my point. I would also like to add that my belief dismissing ET or Alien as the cause of CC's ,does not dismiss ET/Aliens as existing. I think some people infer that from one simply claiming CC's are man made. Which I think challenges some people and fuels passionate responses.
Even if some crop circles do have odd or unexplainable characteristics, that doesn't necessarily prove that aliens did them, for as you have clearly stated, actual solid proof of alien craft making them hasn't presented itself. Even if such a craft was witnessed, that doesn't necessarily prove that it was other-world technology either.
I accept your belief. What makes us difference is that I do not accept what you consider is the evidence that supports your belief. I too have taken into account many, if not all that you mention but I have arrived at a different conclusion. Such is life.
Though despite this lack of confirmed evidence, I still choose to believe that a majority of crop circles are indeed formed by beings of other planets. That seems anti-logical I know, but I take into account the many unexplained sightings of objects in the sky, personal testimonies of witnesses, and the accounts of some individuals who have claimed to have meet advanced/more evolved human beings from our solar system.
There are many mysteries to be uncovered. I agree too, that there may be even more abstract causes that we could not even begin to understand or imagine. But I am not given to explaining CC's by only what I can imagine.
Are they telling the truth, or are they deluded? - maybe - Science has already proven that life doesn't exist on these planets. i.e doesn't exist in the form of solid physical, liquid or gas. Are there higher levels of physical matter yet to be discovered? - Maybe.
I agree. I have no problem with investigating or discussing possibilities.
If there is a possibility that other options exist, even seemingly remote ones, you will always get people who will believe in these possibilities. Doesn't make for good logical discussions, but does allow for the investigation and discovery of what could be.
Thanks. I am actually studying the last 20 years of UK CC's in an attempt to work out some Ideas on predicting dates and location for the 2010 CC season. There is a lot to look at as you can imagine, but I hope to post my thoughts on next season here soon, or I may even start a whole new thread. Either way, I would welcome your thoughts.
I look forward to reading how this thread progresses over time