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Originally posted by davesidious
You can be armed in the UK. Rifles and shotguns are fine. It's just handguns that aren't. I don't know why you'd want everyone to be able to have handguns, as that would mean the person you imagine breaking in to your home would have one. Right now most burglaries don't involve firearms, which is why you don't hear about people getting shot in home robberies all the time. You're advocating to escalate that for some feeling of security, when all you're doing is ensuring if you were ever robbed, someone would die. Probably you.
Originally posted by blueorder
Originally posted by TheWalkingFoxSo I presume you're typing form beneath your bed? It must be terrifyiing for you.
Odd comment- I do not live my life in fear, but know many people that do, elderly, women alone etc- I fully support the right of such law abiding citizens, as well as myself, to be armed.
Well, cap'n, I happen to live in the US. Originally from Alabama. I'm also not white, in fact. I'm Choctaw. well, half, on my dad's side. a fair number of the rednecks I know are, in fact, red all over, but that's beside the point.
Yes, because that is how most people who own guns speak, kudos on such an insight
as bad as saying all black men are rapists
No doubt, still don't fancy my chances armed with a tin of beans against someone with a gun or a knife
Very odd- you are saying that a the disabled, the infirm, most females, pensioners or people who are just not a crime fighting hero like yourself deserve to get "jacked up"- lovely stuff, I recommend spending Christmas in a hospital ward laughing at the victims of the crime- your assessment is like saying a woman who wears a mini skirt deserves to get raped
See above, and you wouldnt be happy if you get shot in the face waving your little tin of beans
You would be better directing that at someone who likes breaking and entering someone's home- you seem to have me confused with that someone, I was talking about law abiding citizens arming themselves
And for the record, I wouldn't give a damn if it was an Indian, white or black dude waving a tin of beans *in this bizzarre hypothetical scenario where I am breaking into homes*
speaking from personal experience one presumes
*sticks on Mozart*
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
So do I. Surprise! I also realize however, that armed law-abiding citizens are very often the ones who end up breaking the law, thereby transforming (As if by magic!) into "armed criminals".
I also realize that Switzerland's security is largely a product of damn near draconian gun regulation laws, rather than some silly supposition of a "good neighbor" policy.
You brought up all the gun crime in "the hood" (wherever that may be).
One would figure, by your logic and the logic of the OP, that this would in fact be a completely safe, Switzerland-like place, because so many people are armed. This is obviously not the case however.
The other half is a muddled medly of western european genetics to convoluted to trace. I identify as Choctaw first because I was raised as a Choctaw. It's as much a culture thing as a genetics thing. I understand this may be kind of hard to reconcile for you.
No, but I do make a distinction between "gun owner" and "gun nut". The gun owner is a person who owns a gun. The gun nut is someone who thinks possessing a gun makes him special, superior, part of a "culture".
Really? Saying gun nuts tend towards mullets and cheap beer is like saying an entire race of people are rapists?
Maybe if I had said "all whites are murderers" THAT would be like saying "all blacks are rapists"
Well, even if you had a gun, you shouldn't fancy your chances in that situation anyway. Especially if you're Swiss, and your choice is throwing your can of spam, or spending a few minutes unlocking your gun, digging out ammo, loading, etc.
Hell, maybe gun crime in Switzerland is so low because it's just such a pain to get everything ready to go knock over the local jaeger store.
Not at all. I'm saying if you can't figure out how it's done, then you're too dumb to own property in the first place.
I didn't say you had to be able to execute the plan, just be able to figure out how it would be done.
And I work at an elder care facility. Those little old ladies in their wheelchairs might not look like much, but they can pack a whollop. never underestimate the elderly. Anyone who makes it that long has definitely got something going for them
I doubt i'd be much of anything if I got shot in the face while doing anything, really. Becoming abruptly deceased tends to do away with such things as "happy" or "perturbed" or "puzzled"
So again with hte "law abiding citizens". Why do pro-gun people talk like they're in a superman comic?
Ah well. So, you're in favor of law-abiding citizens having guns, that's fine. How about law-abiding non-citizens?
Better yet though, let's look at the law-abiding part. You're really hard up for this bit, the right of law-abiding people to have guns.
Like a lot of pro-gun people, you give the impression that there are two immutable castes, the law-abiding, and the criminal.
You want the law-abiders to have guns to protect them from the criminals.
So. Where do the criminals get their guns?
Now a logical thought is that the criminals are, in fact, the same people as the law-abiders who have simply ceased to adhere to the law, and are using the guns they legally purchased as law-abiding citizens. This is backed up by evidence of many a law-abider purchasing a gun specifically to commit a crime with it.
Since this conflicts with your black-white view of the universe, where there are only 100% law-abiders and 100% criminals and no grey between them, I presume you have a much more entertaining explanation for criminals being armed. This being ATS, feel free to involve reptilians, cubes of time, and a Kennedy in your explanation if you feel the need.
Well, true enough, getting your ass beat by a can of baked beans would be pretty embarassing no matter who chucked it. Point for you.
Well, my experience with certain islanders, sure.