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Aliens make Crop Circles, Best Evidence Ever - Cosmic Wakening

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posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:06 AM
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I used to believe that perhaps only one type of alien exists, but looking through the files, and espacially at the unexplainable kind of crops circle - there may be more than one species of alien type.

Infact, our universe may be teeming with sentient life!!!!

Why dispute the crop circles as hoaxes? After all, didn't Carl Sagan himself decades ago sent out radio signals beaming at lightspeed about us into the universe.

These crop circles are their replies, from the more advance ones that have the capability to use lightwaves to transport messages across the vast ocean of space!

We are not alone. How much more evidence do you need?

[edit on 22-12-2009 by SeekerofTruth101]




posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I used to believe that perhaps only one type of alien exists, but looking through the files, and espacially at the unexplainable kind of crops circle - there may be more than one species of alien type.

Infact, our universe may be teeming with sentient life!!!!

Why dispute the crop circles as hoaxes? After all, didn't Carl Sagan himself decades ago sent out radio signals beaming at lightspeed about us into the universe.

These crop circles are their replies, from the more advance ones that have the capability to use lightwaves to transport messages across the vast ocean of space!

We are not alone. How much more evidence do you need?

[edit on 22-12-2009 by SeekerofTruth101]


You are absolutely right! Just look at the variety of actual beings sighted in so many very credible reports here at www.abovetopsecret.com...
You are really missing something if you think one of these sightings, craft, apparitions, or life forms isn't capable of something as unusual as making crop circles. They are not imaginary, they are not man made, we know they exist - it isn't even surprising these crop circles also appear to be created by one or more of these extra terrestrials, certainly not us.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by itsblownbackbaby
any professionals want to add to this thread, or are we just going to give our subjective views and argue with each other, like most other ATS posts nowadays? I could give a damn if you think they are man-made or alien, I want proof, I want facts, I want people to start engaging in intelligent conversation.



Ok everybody put on our thinking caps....

There is no proof you can put on a website to convince, persuade or prove anyone anything beyond a shadow of a doubt and so that is why there is such an intense debate and discussion. Certainly I give a damn what YOU think even though it targets the individuals involved in the discussion rather than the phenomena itself.
We all of us have our elected purpose, our mission, our task.
Waiting for absolute proof? I wouldn't hold my breath....Cheers



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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reply to post by elysiumfire
 


there's always a smart ass know it all that trolls on this site..
go ahead & get your wall-mart GPS .. then post your video of you making a 1000ft crop circle in 7 minutes or 30 for that matter.. you can't do it.. end of story.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I used to believe that perhaps only one type of alien exists, but looking through the files, and espacially at the unexplainable kind of crops circle - there may be more than one species of alien type.

Infact, our universe may be teeming with sentient life!!!!

Why dispute the crop circles as hoaxes? After all, didn't Carl Sagan himself decades ago sent out radio signals beaming at lightspeed about us into the universe.

These crop circles are their replies, from the more advance ones that have the capability to use lightwaves to transport messages across the vast ocean of space!

We are not alone. How much more evidence do you need?


[edit on 22-12-2009 by SeekerofTruth101]

Yes, they are here in numbers and diversity.
Grays - Atlantians - Reptilians etc.






[edit on 22-12-2009 by Eurisko2012]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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This link speculates why crop circles may be considered hoaxes:
www.spookystuff.co.uk...

This link is to a book that speculates they are not hoaxes:
books.google.com... &ei=yvYwS6joGJCYtgfFoN2GCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Decide for yourself.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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You don't give artists enough credit. What can be achieved by Talent plus years of practice.

Your forgetting night-vision as well.

Also, you can get an expert to say any like "the genetic make up of the crops has be changed", for the right price.

Ever seen a court case where two "experts" say the opposite thing?

Crop Circles are man made. Sorry.

If crop circles are made by these amazing aliens, how come they've gotten so much better and more elaborate in the span of a few decades?

What could these aliens (or whatever you think makes CC's) only make simple circles at first? They can change the stucture of the crop, bend it at the node, but they needed a few decades of "practice" to go from makeing simple circles to these more elaborate ones.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Crop Circles are mysterious depictions. Even though it could be made by men, No one could figure out who made them. Reports and books were written about them. Interest was huge. So was the financial aspect.

2 old gents, experienced in the ways of the world, decided to cash in on fame and fortune - by admitting they made the Crop Circles, showing how it could be done with planks and ropes.

In a world that prefers to always keep their ways neat and tidy, with everything 'explainable', Crop Circles are a threat to their perceptions, for most fear what they do not know.

The 2 old gents - dough and dave, saved the ordered societies around the world, and sighed with relief. This was what those who fear the most of the unknown wanted to hear and readily, gulllibly believe ALL crop circles are hoaxes.

Yet....the replies from our message sent to space by Carl Sagan continues to pour in, from an Universe teeming with sentient life upon receiving it in the time it took to reach them in their corner of their galaxies......


[edit on 22-12-2009 by SeekerofTruth101]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Nola213
You don't give artists enough credit. What can be achieved by Talent plus years of practice.

Your forgetting night-vision as well.

Also, you can get an expert to say any like "the genetic make up of the crops has be changed", for the right price.

Ever seen a court case where two "experts" say the opposite thing?

Crop Circles are man made. Sorry.

If crop circles are made by these amazing aliens, how come they've gotten so much better and more elaborate in the span of a few decades?

What could these aliens (or whatever you think makes CC's) only make simple circles at first? They can change the stucture of the crop, bend it at the node, but they needed a few decades of "practice" to go from makeing simple circles to these more elaborate ones.



Humans (at least most humans) are way too vain to do things like this without recognition. It would cost a lot of money, time and effort to create some of the formations we've seen. I find it very difficult to believe that people would do this in anonymity. It's just so out of character for most.

It's part of the mystery as to why they've gotten better. I've suggested that its for the same reason they haven't made actual contact yet. People would've freaked if they had started with the complex pictograms we see today. What we could be witnessing is a slow externalization over the years in order to get us used to the idea that we are not alone.

As for the experts being paid off, well they must be paid a lot of money because they've been pretty quiet. Oh, by the way, who's paying them off? The CC marketing industry?

[edit on 22-12-2009 by Neo__]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Am I the only person here who thinks is it highly suspicious that since the crop circle phenomena became better known through the 1980s and 1990s, crop circles have become, from an design standponit, "BETTER?"

If some amazing alien race was producing them, or a mystical force of an unknown nature, it seems odd to me that they wouldn't have mastered the aesthetic components of their artform prior to producing them on Earth.

This points to humans in my mind. I'm not saying that they're all made by people with boards and rope. Obviously the physical changes that take place in some instances indicate that something ODD is goinng on for sure. This, like the Norwegian spiral, just demonstrates how willing people are to entertain magical thinking, and just ignore rationality when it's not quite as comforting a thought.

Just think: as more and more people had access to computer-based design tools, and experience was had, skills sharpened, imaginations stimulated, what happened to crop circles? Their complexity increased, and from any critical perspective, it's easy to see that those creating them had better and better ideas. That's what happens to a creative mind when it is stimulated, it spins out nearly endless recursions. All it takes is the means and energy to produce these creative fancies in the real world. It seems apparent that someone (or something) has found the method.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Neo__
"Humans (at least most humans) are way too vain to do things like this... It's just so out of character for most.

You know the character of most people? Wow. So, your personal generalization/stereotype as to "how people behave," supports the idea that ALIENS are responsible for crop circles!? You can't be serious. That's a terrible argument. Anyone can argue just the opposite. Do you have social science data to back up this assertion? I happen to know plenty of street artists who CHERISH their anonymity, and value the idea that viewers can appreciate their artistic productions without reference as to who made them. This is art that takes a great deal of time, energy, planning and expense, all down for the sake of itself, without regard to personal fame or fortune. It's the oldest "kind" of art, older than civilization itself.

"People would've freaked if they had started with the complex pictograms we see today."

I wouldn't have freaked. My mom wouldn't have freaked. I'm not entirely certain anyone would have "freaked." I don't really know what freaking is. Today's complex designs would certainly have been NOVEL had they been the first to appear, but it would hardly blow our minds in any sort of grand, psychedelic fashion. Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't blow our collective minds, so I'm not sure why you suppose cool designs in fields of wheat would have "freaked" people beyond the limits of their comfortable 'freakability zones" in the 1970s.

"What we could be witnessing is a slow externalization over the years in order to get us used to the idea that we are not alone."

Quite an opaque way to communicate a simple message, don't you think? Images that look like they were designed by a teeneager with a giant spirograph somehow lead to the conclusion that we're not alone in the universe? I don't get it.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by Neo__]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by elysiumfire
 


there's always a smart ass know it all that trolls on this site..
go ahead & get your wall-mart GPS .. then post your video of you making a 1000ft crop circle in 7 minutes or 30 for that matter.. you can't do it.. end of story.


Please provide documented proof of an amazing crop circle being produced in 7:30. If you can, one can simply answer that perhaps some person has access to....

a. digital design tech that allows them to produce rather simple designs (folks, these are NOT complex designs; look at at Islamic tilework and THEN you'll see complex designs).

b. secret 'directed energy' technology that would allow for such a thing to take place? I don't pretend to know what or who, but it's a more rational explanation than aliens.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by aorAki
You don't give humans very much credit, do you?
Why is something like that butterfly 'next to impossible' for people to make?
We've sent people to the Moon and vessels passed the extremities of our solar system, so why can't we make measly little crap circles? (intentional typo
).

They don't do 'the aliens' much justice either, if they have travelled through interdimensional space to the only known place in the Universe where there are special grains grown on canvasses for their artistic 'flair'.

Bah humbug.

Yes, I did watch the video, by the way. I just disagree with the premise.

[edit on 20-12-2009 by aorAki]



Can you prove anything you just said is true or actually happened?

k now re-assess your argument...



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Applause for your thinking.

Now, would you like to please show evidence that men made ALL the crop circles, each and everyone of them, preferrably with photographic evidence of them doing it, along with their equipment?

PS: If you didnt freak out by the mystery of the crop circles, good for you. I hope all will be like you, have no fear, then govts will have no need to deal with fears of the masses with the unknown, unless you are just talking out of bravado and a false front to protect your image.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Now, would you like to please show evidence that men made ALL the crop circles, each and everyone of them, preferrably with photographic evidence of them doing it, along with their equipment?


how about you providing one little bit of evidence that aliens even exist, let alone make crop circles.... come on, just one little bit.....



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Did I claimed anyone made those circles in response to you? Nope. None at all. Rather it was you who claimed it was made by men.

Now, why reply a question to with another? Are you evading????

No evidence to prove it was men who made ALL those crop cirlces?

No worries, just quietly sit in the corner and learn something instead.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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ha ha ha - anyone here still yammering on about humans doing this has not watched the video. Period.

The ONLY evidence anyone can ever refer to that PROVES Humans do them all, always references the same tired coupla guys with wooden planks rhetoric.

Give it up. You seem to be leaving out:
- time allowed to do some of these
- complexity of design
[don't give me any of this GPS, technology, technique, etc has improved - Ridiculous]
- Vanity
- Equipment needed to do some of these, considering...
- they never harm the wheat, AND
- the stalk are interwoven.

Not to mention the one with 60+ circles had some of them that were cut in oblong or awkward ellipses so that they appeared as circle from the air! (Yes, humans are surely clever enough to figure that little problem out - it's a question of execution)

Pull your heads out.

Please link any sites or data showing THOSE were faked - thanks in advance.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Let us all be clear here. There is simply no body of ironclad evidence to support ANY of us in our conjectures and assertions as to the nature of crop circles, and who (or what!) made them. None. Zero. Zilch. Well, wait, I guess that's not entirely accurate. We DO have extremely ironclad evidence that many 'crop circles' ARE made by human beings, insofar as they've been the subject of projects by design schools, advertising firms, etc. Then there's the general assumption that I've seen time and time again from WITHIN the community of 'believers' that *certain* crop circles are patently obvious in their human origin, if only because they appear to be less than flawless.

So, on one hand, there exists ACTUAL evidence DEMONSTRATING that some crop thingies (can we really call them "circles" anymore?) were produced by humans. On the other hand, NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY TIME has anyone ever seen an EBE walk up to a field or climb into a spacecraft, move into the vicinity of a crop, shoot their little particle accelerator beam, and produce a stunning design in seconds flat. If they have, please enlighten me. Mysterious glowing orbs do not count, I mean evidence on the level of 1+1=2, not 1+1+oranges/One White Duck = Mayan Cosmogenesis.

The point is that there is as much or as little evidence to support the existence of Bigfoot as there is of Earthly visitations of aliens, and even of fairies, gnomes, demons, tree spirits, djinn, etc. I'm not saying that none of these exist. I am saying that the Aliens Make Crop Circles Hypothesis is on as shaky ground, in terms of logical deduction based on known FACTS, as is the idea that djinns made them. You can't PROVE that Bigfoot doesn't possess powerful telekinetic and remote viewing skills, and therefore, it's just as likely that the Telepathic Remote Viewing Sasquatch Make Crop Circles Hypothesis is true.

Perhaps the balls of light that are known to be associated with crop circles are actually honest-to-God fairies. Can you prove that fairies didn't produce crop circles? Actually, it fits in very well with the trickster-ish personality types often ascribed to fairies in Celtic lore. It would also help explain why this phenomenon seems to be *concentrated* in the UK, where the fairies live.

So, no, of course I can't prove that humans are responsible for the crop circles' production. However, I am 100% certain that humans exist, and have produced some crop circles. The same can not be said for aliens. I believe that aliens exist, and that they are present on Earth. I think there's enough data to support this belief, and that it's not entirely on the same footing as belief in Jesus' divinity, which is ENTIRELY based on faith.

However, I just don't see why, in the face of a rather inexplicable phenomenon, it's necessary to reach for the most exotic of explanations. Crop circles exist for certain. Some force is certainly responsible for them. This force can do things that defy some (arbitrary and false?) technical limitations. Therefore, lacking a known explanation, we default to ALIENS? This is precisely the same logical flaw of the Intelligent Design movement, wherein seeming holes in mainstream theory are taken as evidence of the influence of some unseen hand, some intelligent designer.

I don't know what causes crop circles. They're obviously mathematical, since they deal with shapes. Perhaps they could be a natural phenomenon, new to our experience? Perhaps a small group of humans possesses some satellite-based technology that can do this? Perhaps my favorite garlic powder is sentient and super-powerful? Perhaps they are produced when 10,000 people across the planet sneeze simultaneously? In a world of infinite possibilities, all have some chance of being correct.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Nola213

If crop circles are made by these amazing aliens, how come they've gotten so much better and more elaborate in the span of a few decades?



When trying to teach those who are not "in the know" about sacred geometry and how our reality manifests itself, you're going to start with the simplest concept then slowly give more complicated ones.

edit to add: I'm not saying "aliens" did these. I'm saying whoever is doing this and is trying to convey a message that I personally believe they are, this explains the gradual increase in complexity. You don't start teaching kindergartners about algebra before you teach them what numbers are and mean first.

[edit on 22-12-2009 by nunya13]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Actually you don't really need GPS to make them. There is no need to mark a starting point with a precision of a few millimeters. Everything can be accomplished with the help of a measuring tape and a compass. Measuring tape for measuring, straight lines and circles, compass to choose the correct heading. But a good artist could make a circle without a compass and only with the measuring tape and the boards.



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