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posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:19 AM
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posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

How dare you put words in my mouth? Learn to read! Then put on your big boy pants and learns some economics before shooting off your mouth.

You are the one atttributing status and guilt (and victimhood) according to the colour of their skin...you are attributing guilt to those of european descent alive now ie, white kids as well Was a sham, absoloute sham


Take a look at what inordinate demographic occupies our prisons. Look at the demographics of the poorest. Are Blacks and Indians inherently bad or stupid? No...so there is a problem, and it goes back to simple economics. Carry on as much as you want, but you can't deny that there is a societal inequity that is not going away because whatever is being done now doesn't work.

You got a plan? I, at least, have a suggestion.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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ok.now things aren't right until were all equal in possessions too?

so there should be no inheritance and everyone gets an 'equal share' on their 18th birthday.

we just take everones cash and stuff and divide it all up and deal it out like a big game of monopoly?
Oohh Ohh I want to be the battleship!

well I'm pretty much broke at the moment so I'm game if you are...



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuckTake a look at what inordinate demographic occupies our prisons.
Look at the demographics of the poorest. Are Blacks and Indians inherently bad or stupid? No...so there is a problem, and it goes back to simple economics.


There is a problem in those black communities and the problem isn't some 300 year old white man who bought some black slaves off a black King in africa- stop attributing 300 year old guilt to some white kid today.

What about the black man in prison for rape- he is really the victim in all this is he?


The black problems stem more from the family breakdown and drug related issues which have exploded since the 60s, when the liberals brought in their "thoughtful" policies



Carry on as much as you want, but you can't deny that there is a societal inequity that is not going away because whatever is being done now doesn't work.


Looking at people as groups is racist and idiotic




You got a plan? I, at least, have a suggestion.



I dismiss any suggestions which thrive on group victimhood

[edit on 21-12-2009 by blueorder]



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
ok.now things aren't right until were all equal in possessions too?

so there should be no inheritance and everyone gets an 'equal share' on their 18th birthday.

we just take everones cash and stuff and divide it all up and deal it out like a big game of monopoly?
Oohh Ohh I want to be the battleship!

well I'm pretty much broke at the moment so I'm game if you are...



EXACTLY, this is the ultimate end game of EQUALITY MANIACS


LIfe is not equal, hence Obam is richer and more powerful than me, but I still do not feel the need to carjack him..............



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
ok.now things aren't right until were all equal in possessions too?
so there should be no inheritance and everyone gets an 'equal share' on their 18th birthday.
we just take everones cash and stuff and divide it all up and deal it out like a big game of monopoly?


Ok, I take it you acknowledge there is a problem. Is that, then, your official response? Do nothing or divide everything equally, and call it a day?

Cuz I think there might be some solutions lurking somewheres between those two polarities.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder
The black problems stem more from the family breakdown and drug related issues which have exploded since the 60s, when the liberals brought in their "thoughtful" policies

That would be what? The Civil Rights Act?



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
That would be what? The Civil Rights Act?



No, that was not to do with welfare- refer any number of welfare legislation coupled with the "LIBERAL" revolution on society as a whole in which drugs were promoted as acceptable- well tell that to some kid who is brought up in the projects with a coke head mom and a dad he never met



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
That would be what? The Civil Rights Act?

No, that was not to do with welfare- refer any number of welfare legislation coupled with the "LIBERAL" revolution on society as a whole in which drugs were promoted as acceptable- well tell that to some kid who is brought up in the projects with a coke head mom and a dad he never met


Ok, you've recognised a problem. How would you fix it? Cuz status quo doesn't seem to be workin' for you.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuckOk, I take it you acknowledge there is a problem. Is that, then, your official response? Do nothing or divide everything equally, and call it a day?

Cuz I think there might be some solutions lurking somewheres between those two polarities.



All you can attempt (or certainly all you SHOULD attempt in terms of the state) is equality of OPPORTUNITY, anything else is a nonsense.


You end up with twats like Harriet Harman in charge (as we have in the UK)- spoilt brats from the 60s living their extreme left wing fantasies, not so much with control of the industry/economy (though God knows with regulation they get enough input with little responsibility) but attack on the cultural/societal norms and institutions



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuckOk, you've recognised a problem. How would you fix it? Cuz status quo doesn't seem to be workin' for you.



What?

This isn't the status quo- this is a socialist/liberal dominated west, with group victimhood the norm.


"INEQUALITY" is not a problem to me, Ive already said that, Obama is black (or partially black) and is richer and more powerful than me- I do not consider that a "problem" nor do I wish to commit a crime in response to it



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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Well I'm getting no inheritance.

Has being white helped me?
Not as much as being a damn sexy hunk o' man but maybe a little.

1/2 my education was public 1/2 private most was wrong anyways.

what more should i give?

*I consider the whole concept of a race retarded.My skin is not white but it is ok to call me that, I'm kind of a tan or khaki .I'm not from the caucus mountain range but they call me Caucasian,I don't care about being called that either.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Take a look at what inordinate demographic occupies our prisons. Look at the demographics of the poorest. Are Blacks and Indians inherently bad or stupid? No...

Johnny, have you ever heard of this new technology up in Canada, it's called a police scanner?

Go sell a couple of beaver pelts and buy yourself a police scanner, Johnny... Then listen to your local police in action for about a week. Oh, yah, the police aren't nearly as politically correct as their bosses are, and if you listen regularly for about a week — take notes if you think it'll help — you will HEAR who is committing the crime and why they are going to prison.

For a long time when I was a young moron, I thought, Gee, why is there such a disproportionate number of minorities in prison? There must be an affluent White conspiracy afoot!

Then I bought a police scanner.

You know, to check up on those "racist pigs" patrolling our streets.

And I soon discovered that HEY the cops aren't out there hunting for minorities to throw in prison, they're actually just responding to calls for assistance from the citizenry.

And I soon discovered that the people being arrested and thrown in prison really are the same people committing those crimes! Jiminy! Ya coulda knocked me over with a feather, I tell ya.

The scanner doesn't lie. It's an education, and it only costs about $90 American... Which is what? About $14,000 in Canadian currency?





Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
...so there is a problem, and it goes back to simple economics. Carry on as much as you want, but you can't deny that there is a societal inequity that is not going away because whatever is being done now doesn't work. You got a plan? I, at least, have a suggestion.

What? Redistribute the wealth, go around and give every panhandler and beggar and drug dealer a bag of gold, flog the capitalists in the streets, print up a few million universal health care cards and hand 'em out at the fish camps?

Oh yah. Turnabout materialism has solved SO MANY cultural crises throughout history. Go on, ya Canuck!

— Doc Velocity



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Cuz I think there might be some solutions lurking somewheres between those two polarities.


I think the solutions are democracy and capitalism, the greatest "equalizers” on this planet.
Regardless of our past anyone with "some" desire can make it. Every race in the world has made it happen for themselves using American democracy and capitalism.

Many haven't tried and only want to moan and grown that life is unfair because of white people. There are plenty of white people that moan and groan about the “man” too. But who cares, get a job!



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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Any moron can identify a problem...thanks for illustrating that principle.

Now...how would you fix it?



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Frith
The rest of the world isn't angry at past misdeeds of the USA. Its current ones like the blatantly offensive war upon Iraq and the terror bombings the USA and its allies conduct upon other nations like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.


I wasnt going to respond till I read this post...Its ripe for the picking.
People like you make Iraq sound like it was some grand utopia before the evil mighty US invaded...when in fact, it was not. Saddam killed millions, and ruled with an iron fist. his people were far worse off under him, and his two sons. if you think otherwise, you are delusional, which given by the rest of your post, wouldnt be that far off of an accurate assessment.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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And isnt oprah the richest person in the universe or something?

If not shes close,and with all her evil minions that's one formidable black woman who seemed to do ok.

why can't you just be like oprah?
she invented the color purple



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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So, are we doomed to live with constant strife because of the past, which not one of us here lived in? If you want to be a drug slinging murderous thug and wind up in jail with 5 or 6 baby mammas living off of welfare, hey it's o.k. because the man made you do it, wanna live on the reservation broke and complaining while a few tribal members get rich off of the federal goverment....blame it on the white man. nobody is keeping you down toay, but yourselves, stand up and better yourself. It's not really a wonder to me anymore why we are in the shape we are in. No personal responsibility and a professional victimization of groups of people, by their own "leaders". Why is it you don't have to take responsibility for your own actions anymore? Get a life......nothing ever came from sitting and fretting.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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there is definitely a problem in america;

but i don't know if it can be suffixed pro as the "issue" is opposite such a connotation.

to the people who refuted my claim of america; are you saying the word america originated with a persons name and does not stem from a richer past meaning something greater than what you would like to attribute it to?so for example colombus, ohio is named after c. colombus and thus colombus means the person the place was named after?

if someone thinks capitalism is the solution to the "issue" mentioned in the prior posts;

how is it fair?

how is capitalism a fair solution to the issue expressed in the prior posts?

the OP changed his original post to mention reparations and how it is not fair as he/she feels it is designed to divide and conquer.


the way i feel about capitalism is this way:

no matter how much someone tells me you have of an image it is worthless until value is shown of said images, you can have many images but i don't have to value these images; thus to you they have value if you feel they do; the injustice comes from a system that allows you to still take and acquire from others within a same society even though i don't value the images you are showing me for the "goods" you are acquiring.
i feel this is the crux of capitalism that everyone looks over because they are so poor and feel just one more comeuppance over another who doesn't value the images being transfered will make them feel rich, or at least lessen the pain of feeling poor.

the thing is; i find it illegal personally to think i have to value an image and acquire many like images to acquire something from someone who doesn't value me.why would i barter in the method described; regardless of the "goods" i could acquire from said method, i would have no motive to aspire to have images for the purpose of bartering.


for example: lets say i value a "good" but do not value the mode of acquiring the good, it would be easy for me to come up with many ways of attempting to acquire that "good" and im sure as long as i acquire it, the process of having done so would have been cheap labor:especially compared to the joy of finally having said "good".because i do not value the mode of acquiring this good after i have acquired it you are of no longer a use. this is the folly of capitalism.especially since it is a much more rewarding experience to acquire goods that enrich regardless of others perceived value.


people in america do as they want as it is lawless/free pertaining the mode it functions in.if you are free to think i should commit an action and an action is not taken regardless of the force you imply or images you what me to value for the action you desire to transpire;such said action is my free domain to act or remain inactive.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Daniem
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Honestly.. in what backwards place have you heard people beeing angry at american citizens because of what people who came there did hundreds of years ago? Who has this beef with americans?? Do you have a source? Sounds pretty dumb to me, i cant imagine there beeing a big mass of people having beef with living americans because of this.

Slavery was everywhere, not just in america.

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You've never heard about the reparations movement? You know, the one that wants to give blacks in the U.S. billions of dollars because some of their ancestors were slaves to some of the ancestors of non-blacks living in the U.S. today.




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