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Government Health Care: The Next Step On the Road to Tyranny and Slavery

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posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 06:18 AM
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Government Health Care: The Next Step On the Road to Tyranny and Slavery


www.infowars.com

Democrats deceptively argue that health care is legal under the commerce clause of the Constitution. The commerce clause relates to business, not individuals, but the Democrats have skewed the original purpose and intent of the Constitution.
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posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 06:18 AM
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This is just a huge power grab. The federal government is out of control. There creating more and more statutes that violate the constitution. They re-word what the constitution says in order to further their own agenda. These bastards need to be removed.

It is evident that “the People” are no longer being represented by their elected officials. Despite roughly 60% of the people being against this Healthcare legislation, our “Elected” officials have decided to ignore the American people’s will and force the legislation upon us. In my mind, this would suggest that we the people are no longer being represented and therefore are not liable for any taxes levied by the Federal Government upon us.

www.infowars.com
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posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Smokers, obese people, drinkers BEWARE

There is a worldwide global movement to deny health care to anyone who engages in behavior that the government considers "unhealthy".

You will find yourself paying massive health care costs that will cripple you of your ability to take care of yourself - and without heath care in a system that is hostile.

Tired of Control Freaks.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Well....its time to really start stocking up on supplies. I feel that this is gonna be the "Piece of Straw" that breaks the Camels back.

There is only like what , a hand full of pople that actually know whats in the bill. What BS

And didn't Lousiana and Nebraska get "Pay Off's" ???

Shame on them !



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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Yep, The NEW bills are worse than the OLD bills. Now there is not even the illusion of "trying to help" people in these new incarnations. It is a full Government and Special Interest power grab.

Look at the bribes they are throwing out now for votes... It is despicable.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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I said this in another thread, but it is also pertinent here. Nobody seems to even be discussing the fact that the original bill had a pricetag of $869 billion and included a public option AND expanded Medicare coverage.

Now, however, the price tag has ballooned to 1.1 Trillion and removes the public option and medicare changes, but keeps the price tag.

If you do the math, to me it seems that we simply inherited more than $300 billion in pay-offs and bribes for votes to get it approved. Nothing was added into the bill, rather two key components were removed, yet the cost increased nearly 30%.

Using really rough calculations, I would have thought that without the public option and medicare expansion, the final bill should have had a price tag of around $500 billion. Somehow we are at more than TWICE that figure.

Instead of paying off senators for their vote (via grants/money to their respective states), the government could have used the $300+ billion and ended hunger in the entire United States. I am fairly confident that fed, nurished people are generally more healthy.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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I don't recall anyone asking me if it was ok to steal another 2/3rd of my pay check. I agree this very well could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Do you ever wonder if these morons are goading the people to revolt?



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by EnactingMyRight


This is just a huge power grab. The federal government is out of control. There creating more and more statutes that violate the constitution. They re-word what the constitution says in order to further their own agenda. These bastards need to be removed.

It is evident that “the People” are no longer being represented by their elected officials. Despite roughly 60% of the people being against this Healthcare legislation, our “Elected” officials have decided to ignore the American people’s will and force the legislation upon us. In my mind, this would suggest that we the people are no longer being represented and therefore are not liable for any taxes levied by the Federal Government upon us.

www.infowars.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


If a tax is can not be defeated it is arguably not a legal tax to begin with. With the exception of a capitation tax, a tax Congress has never passed nor levied, all taxes can be defeated. Defeated not evaded. A direct tax on property means a tax on that property can be defeated by not purchasing the property. An indirect tax upon activities means the tax can be defeated by not engaging in that activity.

The current so called "Personal Income Tax" has been interpreted to be both a direct tax on property, i.e. a direct tax levied upon your income, and an indirect tax, i.e. a tax levied upon the act of earning income. Since earning income is the right of all people there is no justification for an income tax. Congress can not tax what is the right of the people, and yet they do.

The trick to defeating taxes is to correctly assess who is subject to the revenue law and therefore has been made liable for a tax. A careful reading of the Internal Revenue Code suggests that the vast majority of people in the U.S. are not now, nor were they ever subject to that law and never have been made liable for a tax. With few exceptions, those exceptions being specific activities such as being employed in a government position, being a corporate officer and the manufacturing or importation of tobacco and the distillation of or importation of alcohol, all other activities have not been made liable for a tax.

A circumlocution of language has been employed to seemingly confuse and trick people into believing they have been made liable for a tax and are subject to this revenue law. That confusion stems from a.) a misinterpretation of the 16th Amendment which did not in anyway authorize Congress any new power of taxation; b) a willingness to equate taxable income with income, however taxable income is defined within the Internal Revenue Code and income is not. Taxable income is where the circumlocution of language begins and it is clearly a marvel of confusion and misdirection; and c.) The outright tyrannical and thuggish actions of tax collectors who circumvent the Constitutional process in far too many ways, threatening people with loss of property and imprisonment and often times following through on these threats.

Neither the 16th Amendment nor the revenue laws regarding income tax are unconstitutional, what is are the actions of those tax collectors who willfully misrepresent the law in order to expand the scope of their jurisdiction beyond what exists. Once a government official has acted beyond the scope of their jurisdiction they no longer possess any immunity their office would afford them and are acting as private citizens and operating under their own personal beliefs to abrogate and derogate the rights of others. When a private citizen acts in this way they are criminals and should be treated as such.

Taxes are a necessary and unfortunate by product of government and Congress undeniably has the complete and plenary power of taxation. However, one does not need to evade taxation as a form of protest in order to defeat a tax they have not been made liable for and never been subject to the laws regarding it. One doesn't have to refuse to pay taxes they believe they owe in order to reign in the U.S. government, all one has to do is stop paying those taxes they never owed to begin with. If you are not liable for a tax then why would you pay it?



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by EnactingMyRight

Government Health Care: The Next Step On the Road to Tyranny and Slavery


www.infowars.com

Democrats deceptively argue that health care is legal under the commerce clause of the Constitution. The commerce clause relates to business, not individuals, but the Democrats have skewed the original purpose and intent of the Constitution.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.youtube.com


More fear-mongering from the lunatic fringe on the right.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by EnactingMyRight


This is just a huge power grab. The federal government is out of control. There creating more and more statutes that violate the constitution. They re-word what the constitution says in order to further their own agenda. These bastards need to be removed.

It is evident that “the People” are no longer being represented by their elected officials. Despite roughly 60% of the people being against this Healthcare legislation, our “Elected” officials have decided to ignore the American people’s will and force the legislation upon us. In my mind, this would suggest that we the people are no longer being represented and therefore are not liable for any taxes levied by the Federal Government upon us.

www.infowars.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


While I disagree with the notion of government run health care since they can't even manage to take care of themselves let alone our health care I do believe that government run health care is not bad as long as it's not our government administering it. I like what the Canadians and British have done but I don't want that done here, we need to try other things besides the government, but while doing that we should not be bashing a government run system of universal healthcare.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by EnactingMyRight

It is evident that “the People” are no longer being represented by their elected officials. Despite roughly 60% of the people being against this Healthcare legislation, our “Elected” officials have decided to ignore the American people’s will and force the legislation upon us.


We don't run our country on telephone polls, or the 23% of people who supported the Bush Administration would have been set adrift on a leaky raft. We do run our country with democratically elected representatives who made it very clear that health care reform was going to be their main agenda. The overwhelming majority of voting citizens showed just 12 months ago that they wanted health care reform. Just because YOU don't want it and didn't vote for it doesn't mean that it's being forced on US.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by EnactingMyRight

It is evident that “the People” are no longer being represented by their elected officials. Despite roughly 60% of the people being against this Healthcare legislation, our “Elected” officials have decided to ignore the American people’s will and force the legislation upon us.


We don't run our country on telephone polls, or the 23% of people who supported the Bush Administration would have been set adrift on a leaky raft. We do run our country with democratically elected representatives who made it very clear that health care reform was going to be their main agenda. The overwhelming majority of voting citizens showed just 12 months ago that they wanted health care reform. Just because YOU don't want it and didn't vote for it doesn't mean that it's being forced on US.


Exactly.

I can't believe people are criticising something that the majority want (the public option)...especially during a time of war...

sounds like treason to me.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Only if we all get together and make it a big constitutional issue to be taken up to the supreme court this nonsense the government is concocting will be stopped.

Remember people the will o f the citizens is no longer taken into consideration by our corrupted corporate congress.

We all together can make the health care bill a big issue.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by seethelight
sounds like treason to me.


A little like treason. I hope the poster isn't part of a subversive group.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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Marg, don't you have VA medical?



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 09:58 AM
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No, we have Humana tricare, is a government private run insurance, that premiums are taken from my husband military retirement every three months.

Under the government care our premiums will increase just like anybody else that will be forced to go into private health care by mandate.

Only my husband have the choice to use VA hospitals as a retire marine, but that means traveling to another city where is a VA hospital.

With tricare we see doctors locally like any private insurance, with deductabes.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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So you have government healthcare.

[edit on 12/20/2009 by mythatsabigprobe]



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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no, is privately run, government never did what they promised to retires, we don't have free health care, even when my husband was in the service we were paying for insurance but was back then less than 10 dollars a pay day, no deductable.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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the people wanted reform, not socialism, not half their check taken from with tax, not being forced to buy coverage or go to jail and pay fines. most people are having hard enough time feeding their families in this economy, how the hell are people going to be able to afford the tax hike necessary to undertake this huge socialist piece of legislation? and can i mention, EVERYTHING our government trie to run fails, not a good track record. and socialism always fails. sorry, your marxist utopia will never work.



posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Perhaps, as the government will be stronger.
Health care is a money making business, that why the government wants in.
Discount drug clubs were doing great until the AARP and government
said give us more of your social security benefits money and we will
buy drugs for you. So more pills means more drug company profits
to tax.
At least the government trusts doctors and hospitals to pay up, such a
great system, we know no one else does and the government knows
as well.
Government rides on the back of the masses.
Tally ho.




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