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Iran: A Manufactured Crisis by USA & Israel?

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:54 PM

Suggestions that the US and its intelligence agencies are involved in the turmoil in Iran are dismissed as ludicrous, fabrications by an Iranian government trying to divert public opinion. Iran's claims of Western incitement for the protests are roundly scorned in our media, and of course Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei's scapegoating of foreigners and "terrorist groups" demonstrates an unhealthy denial of the very real polarisation within Iranian society. This, in a country where Washington overthrew a democratically elected government in 1953, propped up a brutal dictator, the Shah, for more than a quarter of a century, and has carried out covert CIA operations in the recent period involving the use of special operations troops on Iranian soil. This thread is to study the US foreign policy, covert operations and using Mainstream Media dis-information campaign against Iran.

US Foreign Policy: Working Overtime against Iran

U.S. foreign policy employs subversive modus operandi. The 2006 Iran Freedom Support Act allocates millions of dollars authorizing U.S. intelligence agencies to support groups opposed to the Iranian government. This law is fashioned after the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, a law that paved the way for invasion and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. The threats of attacking Iran are in the air. Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence agencies enjoy the legal mandate to destabilize the Iranian government and possibly reverse the Islamic revolution by sowing seeds of confusion and anarchy.

Unfortunately, these massive violations of the U.N. Charter, specifically of the principles of territorial integrity and political independence, go unnoticed. The U.N. officials are silent over these violations as if Article 2(4) does not exist.

Article2 (4)
4# All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

Yet Iranians still have good reason to fear outside interference. It was, after all, British and American-orchestrated riots that brought down the elected Mossadeq government in 1953. And in 2007, Bush administration's John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US attack on Iran would be "a last option after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed".

Ongoing US special operations in Iran include funding ethnic-separatist terrorist groups such as the al-Qaeda-linked Jundallah in Baluchistan. With some rare exceptions, this dimension has not been touched by the mainstream media. Iranian officials have linked the recent suicide bombing of a Shia mosque in Zahedan, in Sistan-Baluchistan, to U.S., British and Israeli support for the Jundullah Sunni Muslim separatist group.

According to the journalist Seymour Hersh, writing in the New Yorker 2006 article, covert operations by the CIA and the Joint Special Operations Command were used to support the PJAK Kurdish dissident group in northern Iran, the disaffected ethnic Arab minority in Khuzestan in the south-west, and militant Baluchi Sunni Muslim separatists in the south-east, bordering Pakistan.

While not officially acknowledged or disavowed in the U.S., the covert programme has been repeatedly linked by Iran to ongoing violence, bomb attacks and assassinations and the recent kidnapping of Iranian Nuclear Scientist in all three areas, as well as to the main external opposition group, the Mojahedin-e-Khalq now known as N.C.R (based in Europe and Israel), which is allegedly funded and armed by the U.S. Iran also occasionally claims to have evidence of involvement by Israel’s Mossad spy agency and British intelligence.

On or near 01/06/2009 Israel was told to take a PR offensive against Iran.

The main message Israeli diplomats should try to send is that "despite the democratic game of a presidential election, this is still a terrible regime that infringes on human rights and imposes many restrictions on its citizens," the telegram said. In a nutshell, the goal is to "blacken Iran's international reputation."

One specific recommendation is that diplomats organize "anti-Iranian events" opposite Iranian embassies worldwide. These could include mock hangings and stonings, since Iran still uses both methods to execute offenders - particularly homosexuals and women who violate its morality laws.

"We decided to move from defense to offense," a senior Foreign Ministry official said, explaining the decision to broaden Israel's public diplomacy campaign against Iran to showcase other issues, such as human rights violations, instead of focusing solely on Iran's nuclear program. "We need to show the world who the real Iran is and make sure that the presidential election does not create the illusion that it is a Jeffersonian democracy."

About a week ago, the head of the ministry's Task Force on Isolating Iran sent a classified telegram to all Israeli embassies and consulates, titled "Activities in the Run-up to Iran's Presidential Election." It detailed things Israeli representatives should do before, during and after the election.

The telegram noted that hundreds of journalists from around the world will go to Iran to cover the election. Therefore, Israeli representatives must try to give background briefings to various media outlets before the journalists depart, and to the host country's foreign ministry officials.

In addition, diplomats should try to promote press coverage of stories that reveal the Iranian regime's true face, especially its violations of human rights and suppression of individual liberty. Meanwhile, Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon embarked yesterday on a tour of North and South America aimed at explaining the importance of halting Iran's nuclear program. His first stop was New York, where he participated in the annual Salute to Israel parade yesterday.

In an interview with Fox News, Ayalon said that Iran is trying to increase its influence worldwide, especially in the Middle East and Latin America. Iran's ability to fire long-range missiles threatens the entire world, he warned, and if it keeps extending the range of its missiles, they may soon be able to reach the eastern United States.

The post-election troubles in Iran definitely reflect the interference of security services from at least the United States and Britain. We have several serious pieces of evidence.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:54 PM

The propaganda war against Iran Election by Mainstream Media: Part I

THE MAINSTREAM media narrative of events unfolding in Iran since the last elections has been set out for us as clear as a fairytale: an evil dictatorship has rigged elections and now violently suppresses its country's democrats, hysterically blaming foreign saboteurs the while. But the Twitter generation is on the right side of history (in Obama's words), and could bring Iran back within the regional circle of moderation. If only Iran becomes moderate, a whole set of regional conflicts will be solved.

The US/UK media is continuing its concerted propaganda campaign against Iran over charges that the government stole the June 12 presidential election. There is not even a semblance of objectivity in the media coverage, which parrots the charges of the opposition headed by defeated presidential candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi as fact and dismisses the government’s claims as lies.The opposition is lauded as democratic and reformist, while incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his supporters are portrayed as virtual fascists. One would scarcely imagine that the two men represent rival factions within the same ruling establishment. Responsibility for the violence in the streets of Tehran is attributed entirely to the government and its security forces. No connection is drawn between these events and the broader situation in the region, where the US is waging two wars, on Iran’s eastern and western borders, both aimed at establishing American hegemony over the oil-rich territory.

Mousavi's vote-rigging allegations are accepted without scrutiny, despite there not yet being any hard evidence of organised cheating. The official result is similar to that in the second round of the 2005 elections, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad received 61.7 % to former president Rafsanjani's 35.9%.

So why the big international fuss over the Iranian election and street protests? There's only one answer. The obvious one. The announced winner, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a Washington ODE, an Officially Designated Enemy, for not sufficiently respecting the Empire and its Israeli partner-in-crime; indeed, Ahmadinejad is one of the most outspoken critics of US foreign policy in the world.

Yet the MSM failed to report such significant events:

Iranian police officials have reportedly arrested the armed imposters who posed as security forces during post-election violence in the country.
Iran's Basij commander, Hossein Taeb, said Monday that the imposters had worn police and Basij uniforms to infiltrate the rallies and create havoc.
Taeb added that the recent anti-government riots have killed eight members of the Basij and wounded 300 others.

“Policemen are not authorized to use weapons against people,” said Rajabzadeh. “They are trained to only use anti-riot tools to keep the people out of harms way,” said Rajabzadeh.

Police, Basij 'imposters' arrested in Iran

An Iranian Sunni rebel said on Tuesday the United States had supporting role in launching terror plots inside Iran.
"After meeting with the U.S. officials in the U.S. embassy in Pakistan four years ago, they (the U.S. officials) promised to help us with everything we needed," Abdolhamid Rigi, the brother of insurgent Jundallah leader Abdolmalek Rigi, told reporters.

Source: Iranian Sunni rebel confesses U.S. role in terror plots inside Iran

Post Election "Twitter" War against Iran

In the midst of the protests, the Iranian government cracked down on dissent, banning foreign reporters and blocking websites. As the Washington Times reported,

“Well-developed Twitter lists showed a constant stream of situation updates and links to photos and videos, all of which painted a portrait of the developing turmoil. Digital photos and videos proliferated and were picked up and reported in countless external sources safe from the regime's Net crackdown.”Naturally, all of this information came from the upper class Western students, who had access to this technology, which they were using in English.

On June 15, “a 27-year-old State Department official, Jared Cohen, e-mailed the social-networking site Twitter with an unusual request:

delay scheduled maintenance of its global network, which would have cut off service while Iranians were using Twitter to swap information and inform the outside world about the mushrooming protests around Tehran.

Further, the New York Times reported that,

Mr. Cohen, a Stanford University graduate who is the youngest member of the State Department’s policy planning staff, has been working with Twitter, YouTube, Facebook and other services to harness their reach for diplomatic initiatives.

It turned out only a small number of people in Iran actually used Twitter for organizational purposes; however, “Twitter did prove to be a crucial tool in the cat-and-mouse game between the opposition and the government over enlisting world opinion.” Twitter also took part in spreading disinformation during the protests, as the New York Times pointed out that, “some of the biggest errors on Twitter that were quickly repeated and amplified by bloggers:

that three million protested in Tehran last weekend (more like a few hundred thousand); that the opposition candidate Mir Hussein Moussavi was under house arrest (he was being watched); that the president of the election monitoring committee declared the election invalid last Saturday (not so).”

On the 28th of June, the Iranian Intelligence Minister blamed western powers, specifically the United States and Britain, for the post-election protests and violence. Iran even arrested British embassy staff in Tehran. On July 3, the head of Iran's Guardians Council said that, “British embassy staff would be put on trial for inciting violent protests.” Iran had arrested nine “British embassy employees it accused of playing a role in organising pro-democracy demonstrations,” but had released seven of them by July. However, one Embassy staff member had been accused of “a significant role” in the election riots.

What the Media failed to report:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told the United States to use Twitter and other social networking sites to fight against the leadership of arch-enemy Iran.

Source:Isra el urges use of Twitter against Iran

And here is the proof (hardly any MSM reported) how Twitter was used against Iran:

Thousands of tweets and retweets alleging that the election was a fraud, calling for protests in Iran, and even urging followers hack various Iranian news websites (which they did successfully). The Twitter popularity caught the eye of various blogs such as Mashable and TechCrunch and even made its way to mainstream news media sites.

Were these legitimate Iranian people or the works of a propaganda machine? I became curious and decided to investigate the origins of the information. In doing so, I narrowed it down to a handful of people who have accounted for 30,000 Iran related tweets in the past few days. Each of them had some striking similarities -

1. They each created their twitter accounts on Saturday June 13th.
2. Each had extremely high number of Tweets since creating their profiles.
3. “IranElection” was each of their most popular keyword
4. With some very small exceptions, each were posting in ENGLISH.
5. Half of them had the exact same profile photo
6. Each had thousands of followers, with only a few friends. Most of their friends were EACH OTHER.

Why were these tweets in English? Why were all of these profiles OBSESSED with Iran? It became obvious that this was the work of a team of people with an interest in destabilizing Iran. The profiles are phonies and were created with the sole intention of destabilizing Iran and effecting public opinion as to the legitimacy of Iran’s election.

I narrowed the spammers down to three of the most persistent – @StopAhmadi @IranRiggedElect @Change_For_Iran

I decided to do a google search for 2 of the 3 – @StopAhmadi and @IranRiggedElect. The first page to come up was JPost (Jerusalem Post) which is a right wing newspaper pro-Israeli newspaper.

JPost actually ran a story about 3 people “who joined the social network mere hours ago have already amassed thousands of followers.” Why would a news organization post a story about 3 people who JUST JOINED TWITTER hours earlier? Is that newsworthy? JPost was the first (and only to my knowledge) major news source that mentioned these 3 spammers.

Of course, Mousavi himself plays an important role in causing the social unrest within Iran. How often do you see a candidate declare himself the winner before any votes are counted and then, when faced with defeat, call the entire election process a fraud?

These twitting spammers began crying foul before the final votes were even counted, just as Mousavi had. The spammer @IranRiggedElect created his profile before a winner was announced and preformed the public service of informing us in the United States , in English and every 10 minutes, of the unfair election. He did so unselfishly, and without any regard for his fellow friends and citizens of Iran, who don’t speak English and don’t use Twitter!

Meet The Spammers

3146 followers. 31 friends.
340 tweets in past 4 days. none before that.
Top 5 words - iranelection, cnnfail, mousavi, tehran,
All tweets in English
Time: Bulk between 12pm and 2pm eastern standard time
Most retweets: @StopAhmadi @IranElection09 @change_for_iran

14,000 followers. 0 friends
117 tweets in 2 days. none before that.
All tweets in English
Time: Bulk between 8:00 pm and 11:00 pm eastern.
Top 5 words: iranelection, people, police, right, students
No retweets

800 followers. 9 friends.
196 tweets in 3 days. none before that.
185 in English. 11 in Farsi (Arabic appearing letters. Not sure if it’s Farsi)
Time: bulk between 2:00pm and 6:00pm eastern. Also 1:00am.
Top 5 words: iranelection, rt, mousavi, tehran, march
Most retweets: @IranRiggedElect @StopAhmadi

6199 followers. 53 friends.
1107 tweets in past 3 days. None before then.
top 5 words: iranelection, ppl, news, rt, iran.
All tweets in English
Time: bulk between 9:00am and 5:00pm eastern
Most retweets: @mohamadreza @mahdi

1433 followers. 142 friends
(protected account. cant see data)

The following all have the same photo in their profile and are followed by the profiles previously mentioned.

whereismyvote_normal (14,000 followers) (800 followers. 9 friends.)

[Update 1] Reuter’s on Pre-election Polling: Ahmadinejad lead by a 2-to-1 ratio, greater than the announced results of the “contested” vote.

[Update 2] NBC foreign correspondent Richard Engel says Twitter and Facebook are helping Iranians organize a “revolution.

[Update 3] Wonder where all of the nasty comments are coming from? FYI- DDOS = distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is one in which a multitude of compromised systems attack a single target, thereby causing denial of service for users of the targeted system. (Recognize the avatar?) BUT….their latest spamming campaign (Against CS) is backfiring.

Spammers get a taste of their own medicine!: Block CS eh? It’s not us being blocked…..

[Update 4] The Guardian: Iran’s election result may not be fraudulent. Our polling suggests that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s victory is what voters wanted

[Update 5] Iran blocked access to twitter yesterday BUT that doesn’t stop the “Iranian Students” from continuing to tweet every 10 or so minutes.

[Update 6] Iranian intelligence arrested “Agents” within the country “who masterminded the recent post-election violence in Tehran.”

[Update 7] JPost removes the evidence and issues a response

[Update 8] Tehran- Riots orchestrated by enemies

[Update 9] Washington Post: “Twitter’s impact inside Iran is zero,” said Mehdi Yahyanejad, manager of a Farsi-language news site based in Los Angeles. "Here, there is lots of buzz, but once you look . . . you see most of it are Americans tweeting among themselves."

[Update 10] CIA Factbook: Languages spoken in Iran: Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%. Sure, some of the more educated people (a small amount) do speak English but its not at all popular.

[Update 11] This post became one of the most followed, tweeted and retweeted stories regarding the #IranElection on the net yesterday. The 3 “Iranian Student” spammers specifically mentioned this post as did hundreds of others. So, um, where are the Iranians?? The screen shot below is of our traffic yesterday by country.

[Update 11] This post became one of the most followed, tweeted and retweeted stories regarding the #IranElection on the net yesterday. The 3 “Iranian Student” spammers specifically mentioned this post as did hundreds of others. So, um, where are the Iranians?? The screen shot below is of our traffic yesterday by country.

Proof: Israeli Effort to Destabilize Iran Via Twitter #IranElection

Other related sources:
1. Do We Really Care About Democracy? #IranElection
2. BBC Admits to Using Fake Photo in #IranElection Coverage
3. JPost Removes the Evidence and Issues a Response #IranElection
4. Iran’s Election; Early Results Indicate Landslide for Ahmadinejad
5. NEW! Follow Charting Stocks on Twitter!

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:55 PM

The Iranian Threat: MSM Propaganda Part II

The United States is "facing a nuclear threat in Iran" — article in Chicago Tribune and other major newspapers, May 26

"the growing missile threat from North Korea and Iran" — article in the Washington Post and other major newspapers, May 26

"Iran's threat transcends religion. Regardless of sectarian bent, Muslim communities need to oppose the attempts by Iran ... to extend Shia extremism and influence throughout the world." — op-ed article in Boston Globe, May 27

"A Festering Evil. Doing nothing is not an option in handling the threat from Iran" — headline in Investor's Business Daily, May 27, 2009

Iran's Nuclear Threat

Recognizing Iran as a Strategic Threat:An Intelligence Challenge for the United States

NATO: ‘Iran poses threat to the whole world

This is a very small sample from American newspapers covering but two days.

"Fifty-one percent of Israelis support an immediate Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites" — BBC, May 24

After taking office, on Holocaust Memorial Day, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu" target="_blank" class="postlink">said: "We will not allow Holocaust-deniers [Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] to carry out another holocaust." — Haaretz (Israel), May 14, 2009

Like clinical paranoia, "the threat from Iran" is impervious to correction by rational argument.

Two new novels have just appeared, from major American publishers, thrillers based on Iran having a nuclear weapon and the dangers one can imagine that that portends - Banquo's Ghosts by Rich Lowry & Keith Korman, and The Increment by David Ignatius. "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Let's bomb Iran," declares a CIA official in the latter book. The other book derides the very idea of "dialogue" with Iran while implicitly viewing torture as acceptable.

On May 12, in New York City, a debate was held on the proposition that "Diplomacy With Iran Is Going Nowhere" (English translation: "Should we bomb Iran?"). Arguing in the affirmative, were Liz Cheney, former State Department official (and daughter of a certain unindicted war criminal) and Dan Senor, formerly the top spokesman for Washington's Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad. Their "opponents" were R. Nicholas Burns, former undersecretary of state, and Kenneth Pollack, former National Security Council official and CIA analyst and author of "The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq".

What the MSM Media Did'nt Report:

Article: U.S. Cold War gift: Iran nuclear plant: Now cited as evidence of weapons activity, facility was provided to shah's government.

IAEA confirms the "peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities"

Conclusion of IAEA findings

The conclusion of the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in the State
derives from determinations that:
b](i) the declared past, present and planned nuclear programme is internally consistent;
(ii) the nuclear activities and types of nuclear material at declared locations are
consistent with the declarations;
(iii) the overall production, imports and accounting data for inventories and flow of
nuclear material are consistent with the utilization inferred from the declared
(iv) the manufacture and imports of specified equipment and non-nuclear material are
consistent with the declared programme;
(v) the status of closed-down or decommissioned facilities and locations outside
facilities (LOFs) is in conformity with the state’s declaration;
(vi) the nuclear fuel cycle-related research and development activities are generally
consistent with declared plans for future development of the declared programme;
(vii) the clarifications provided by the State have resolved any questions or apparent
inconsistencies in connection with information provided by the State and all other
information available to the Agency including information on the past activities.

DF Document:

17 November 2009 | The following is a statement attributable to IAEA Spokesperson Gill Tudor on today´s Times of London story, headlined: "UN Nuclear Chief in Secret Talks with Iran Over Deal to End Sanctions":

"These allegations are entirely baseless. It is regrettable that The Times should publish such a story without any effort to make a critical assessment of its source."

Statement from IAEA Spokesperson on Times of London Story on Iran

[PDF Document)Communication dated 3 December 2009 received from the Permanent Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Agency concerning statements made by the Islamic Republic of Iran in the Board of Governors

and what the Media has not reported is:

Q: regarding news reports by the Associated Press [mostly inaudible]:

As I have said many times, and I continue to say today, the Agency has no concrete proof there is an ongoing weapons programme in Iran. There are allegations that Iran has conducted weaponization studies; however, these are issues which we are still looking into. And we are looking to Iran to help us clarify. We are looking to those suppliers of information to help us on the question of authenticity, because that is really a major issue. It is not an issue that involves nuclear material; it's a question of allegations, paper work studies, and of course the key issue there is authenticity. We are seeking clarification from Iran; we are seeking clarification from the supplier of the information. But we don't have any information that nuclear material has been used. We don't have any information that any components of nuclear weapons have been manufactured. That is why I continue to say that we are concerned but we are not in any way panicking about the Iranian nuclear programme. However, we need to continue to work with Iran to clarify these issues. This is an issue that has to do with war and peace, and the Agency has to work on the basis of fact and facts only.

On the other question that the Agency has information that has been withheld, and that there is information which has (not) been shared with the Board: this is maybe for the hundredth time that I have been saying and the Agency has been saying that this is totally baseless, totally groundless. All information that we have received that has been vetted, assessed in accordance with our standard practices, has been shared with the Board. If any country has more information that they would like to share with us or with the Board, they are welcom to do that. But we stand by our statement that all information that has been corroborated, assessed, critically assessed, has been shared with the Board and on the basis of that I make my statement that we have no concrete evidence that Iran has an ongoing programme.


Recomended read: The New York Times and Iran: Journalism as state provocation
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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:09 PM
excellent thread!

It shows how really deep western propaganda goes

and most worrying thing is that people believe it without question...

[edit on 19-12-2009 by donhuangenaro]

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:16 PM
The US/UK and allies bit off more than they could chew in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is evidenced by the fact that militia/terrorists still move freely in Iraq and commit regular attacks against the Govt.
The West cannot even pretend to control a majority of Afghanistan , they do not , nor are 30,000 new troops likely to have an effect on that in any great way.

This really should be all the warning lights required against getting bogged down in Iran.
No matter the outcome it would not be a win.
Israel need reigning in before they go it alone and turn the middle east into a horror zone.

Its also interesting to note the lack of any independent verification of the Times published article regarding Iran and nuclear triggers.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:18 PM
reply to post by donhuangenaro

Thank you...there is much more. I tracked a article which explained in detail how USA and Israel created fake id's on twitter and which programme was used but somehow, the whole article is missing. I wanted to include that piece in the thread.

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 11:40 AM
reply to post by December_Rain

interesting, no one is willing to face the truth on ATS

ignorance denied my [snip]

well, no wonder the world is in deep [snip] right now

considering the twitter, I remember a twit about iranian tanks going into the capital that ended up being very far from the truth (no tanks at all)...

so, I am very skeptical about twitter 'live feed'...

and as for the missing article, I am not surprised, they failed so they covered up their tracks...

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 01:53 PM
reply to post by December_Rain

I don't see anything new in your post.

I'm more interested in why you personally support Iran? Why do you oppose the citizens of Iran rising up against their oppressive government and why do support Iran's retaliation against them?

Why do you think it is a good idea that Iran develops nuclear weapons? It is not conjecture anymore since they stopped even pretending to hide it.

If we are supporting those inside Iran who want more freedom and fair elections, good deal, do more of it. If it defuses the ticking time bomb, even better.

The sooner the people of Iran are freed from Sharia Law the better for them and the world. As long as they remain as they are, they remain a danger to the world. Not everything we do to influence other countries is bad. To even suggest that is propaganda and disingenuous.

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 01:56 PM
Star and flag for your extensive work on putting this thread together.

A second line, and a well deserved 'bump'.

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 02:30 PM
I am 100 percent sure Israel (and maybe US) is engaged in propaganda war with Iran. Better this then real war, in my opinion. However i am also 100 percent sure that Iran is engaged in propaganda war with (place for smear remark) Israel.

Every news coming form one's media about the other should be taken with barrel of salt, because both sides are openly hostile to each other.
As long as it stays media war cries and test launches only, i am content. Problem is it all could escalate very soon to something else.

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I'm more interested in why you personally support Iran? Why do you oppose the citizens of Iran rising up against their oppressive government and why do support Iran's retaliation against them?

It's simply a game of deflection. Pointing out the faults of others while ignoring the Elephant in the living room.

As a graduate student in political science preparing to write my dissertation

I have engaged Iranians and Iranian-Americans from all walks of life and attempted to understand their views on the recent electoral crisis in Iran. What struck me throughout the course of my many conversations was the quasi-conspiratorial ideas many individuals harbored, a seeming simulacrum of 9/11 deniers: Israeli and U.S. collusion; atavistic mullahs bent on nuclear destruction; U.S. and Iranian collusion?

While I would agree that the regime has successfully transitioned from a hybrid authoritarian state to one that more closely resembles unmitigated totalitarianism, the regime remains inherently at odds with itself. The paradox of the state, its religious and republican elements, has ultimately hastened increased state fragmentation and lead to a crisis of identity. While the security apparatus of the state has undoubtedly expanded its grip on society, we are increasingly witness to fissures among elite politicians who disagree as to the best course forward.

Increased repression is a sign of weakness, not strength. The regime knows this and its futile attempt to silence internal political opposition with increasingly heavy-handed measures demonstrates its inherent vulnerability. Or at least what the regime perceives to be its greatest vulnerability-its own people. On that they are correct. But they have misjudged the diffidence of their own population, something with which they count on. Iranian voters were neither diffident nor cynical. And this is in the face of potentially lethal violence being perpetrated against them. But some Iranian-Americans ignore this complexity and choose the Manichaean world-view of us against them.

[edit on 20-12-2009 by SLAYER69]

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 03:02 PM
Stay tuned...

Tomorrow may become very interesting.

Al Jazeera

Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, two of the defeated candidates in June's disputed presidential poll, urged their supporters to attend the funeral on Monday, according to a statement on Mousavi's website.

87-year-old Montazeri was an architect of the 1979 Islamic revolution but fell out with the present leadership.

He lived in the city of Qom, which lies south of Tehran, and was referred to as the spiritual leader of the opposition after the country's recent disputed election.

"Following a call by some grand ayatollahs to mourn the death ... we announce tomorrow, Monday, December 21, a day of public mourning," Mousavi and Karroubi said in a joint statement.

[edit on 20-12-2009 by SLAYER69]

posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 06:50 PM
if you are so interested in the politics of teh middle east, why not mvoe there?
personally, i dont give a crap, and wouldnt go there if you payed me.
but it gets pretty boring seeing teh same group of 5 or so people constaly harping on isreal/iran/iraq/wahtever the crap those backwoods countries are.
if you care so much, leave and go there, if not, stfu and stop amkign me read your propoganda. i know i dont ahve to read it, but ima curious dude, at least post something new, hasnt this same old crap been going on for 20o0 years already?

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 01:32 AM

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
if you are so interested in the politics of teh middle east, why not mvoe there?
personally, i dont give a crap, and wouldnt go there if you payed me.
but it gets pretty boring seeing teh same group of 5 or so people constaly harping on isreal/iran/iraq/wahtever the crap those backwoods countries are.
if you care so much, leave and go there, if not, stfu and stop amkign me read your propoganda. i know i dont ahve to read it, but ima curious dude, at least post something new, hasnt this same old crap been going on for 20o0 years already?

so, would you give a crap if Iranians are waging dirty propaganda war against your country and consequently you get the sanctions, everyone is calling you terrorist, etc?

would you give a crap if Iranian agents paid your dissenters to kill people and create uprisings?

I bet you would...

too bad that you are so unintelligent to grasp these simple facts, like so many others... otherwise there would be peace in the world a long time ago...

[edit on 21-12-2009 by donhuangenaro]

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 01:43 AM

Originally posted by SLAYER69

a seeming simulacrum of 9/11 deniers

[edit on 20-12-2009 by SLAYER69]

ignoring the whole thread and using this quote is just emphasizing your biased view, and will not change the facts of western dirty propaganda...

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 06:06 AM
reply to post by Blaine91555

Agreed to you perhaps there is nothing new on this thread. But the number of people who don't know about US foreign policy and the covert op's and how MSM is being used a country, for them this is something new. Even I didn't knew about how Twitter was used against Iran and the "Iran Freedom" bill passed by Bush until I started researching this whole thing.

Afterall, isn't this is big conspiracy how MSM ignores all these facts, how US foreign policy is used etc. We try to find truth behind everything, we try our best not only to become self-aware but also to bring awareness to fellow people. Knowledge is best used when shared and not just kept locked and hidden with oneself.

reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER

Why so bitter? I have not posted any propaganda just simple facts backed up with links and sources. Perhaps the day you realize it does not matter where Middle East/ Asia/ Australia/ Antarctic etc is located it does not matter because we all share a single planet called Earth, that day you may start denying ignorance. Being part of same planet in this infinite universe makes us directly and indirectly linked to each other, linked to plants and animal kingdom. We all ae together in this, there is no "us" and "them".

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 01:20 PM

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Stay tuned...

Tomorrow may become very interesting.

Yeah it's obvious. He was a CIA/MI5 pawn.

Funeral of Iranian cleric Montazeri turns into political protest

Hundreds of thousands of opposition protesters openly challenged the authority of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, today by mourning the death of a dissident cleric who had questioned Khamenei's fitness to rule.

The mass turnout in Qom for the funeral of Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri, who died on Sunday, aged 87, came just a day after Khamenei had dismissed him as a figure who had failed "a big test" and ordered a security clampdown to deter mourners from paying their respects.

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 06:32 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Nope, nowhere it was suggested in this thread or elsewhere the opposition is being planted by CIA/Mossad etc. Instead, what is being mentioned is the violence is part of the covert op. as mentioned above. Any kind of democracy has a ruling party and a opposition party...for eg. the imposters with guns in Basji and cops uniforms which I have mentioned above. The Basji are not allowed to carry firearms...same terrorist attacks against Iran by US funded groups and ISrael/UK/ USA propaganda campaign.

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 07:57 PM

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Al Jazeera

Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, two of the defeated candidates in June's disputed presidential poll, urged their supporters to attend the funeral on Monday, according to a statement on Mousavi's website.

87-year-old Montazeri was an architect of the 1979 Islamic revolution but fell out with the present leadership.

Montazeri was very much the 'road not take' for Iran. The Ayatollah expected to succeed his mentor Khomeini, he was passed over as being to sincere.

The Islamic Revolution created a new power elite with the theocracy seeing money undreamed of by simple clerics. Montazeri saw the corruption and said the country was turning into a dictatorship.

We see now where Iran is 30 years later. No improvement of standard of living for 70 million, retrogressive cultural policies, the intellectual and entrepreneurial class have fled.

Not sure where how anything the US and Israel really affects the breakdown of Iranian society due to bad foreign policies and economic irresponsibility.

It's more of a news story when things go wrong in Iran and the US and Israel aling with Usual Suspect #3 Britain - aren't blamed.

Iran never does anything wrong - of course.

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 08:05 PM
Didn't Osama promise a present for Ramadan? Did that present ever arrive?

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