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Sen. Ben Nelson to announce support for health-care bill

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 09:17 AM

It looks like the Health Care Bill is going to pass before Christmas:

Saturday, December 19, 2009; 9:41 AM

Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.), the final Democratic holdout on health care, was prepared to announce to his caucus Saturday morning that he would support the Senate reform bill, clearing the way for final passage by Christmas.

"We're there," said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), as he headed into a special meeting to announce the deal.

Democratic leaders spent days trying to hammer out a deal with Nelson, and worked late Friday night with Nelson on abortion coverage language that had proved the major stumbling block. But Nelson also secured other favors for his home state.

Asked if he was prepared to support the bill, Nelson said, "Yeah."

With Nelson seemingly on board, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid unveiled the final version of a sweeping overhaul of the nation's health insurance system that would expand coverage to an additional 31 million Americans, coming closer to attaining the Democrats' longsought goal of universal medical coverage.

The package closely tracks the $848 billion measure Reid (D-Nev.) drafted this month, before he entered into negotiations aimed at winning the 60 votes he needs to avert a GOP filibuster, aides said. Since then, Reid has made numerous concessions to moderate Democrats, scrapping an effort to create a government-run insurance plan and beefing up prohibitions on spending federal funds for abortion coverage, a change demanded by the final holdout, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

Instead of a public option, the final product would allow private firms for the first time to offer national insurance policies to all Americans, outside the jurisdiction of state regulations. Those plans would be negotiated through the Office of Personnel Management, the same agency that handles health coverage for federal workers and members of Congress.

Starting immediately, insurers would be prohibited from denying children coverage for pre-existing conditions. A complete ban on the practice would take effect in 2014, when the legislation seeks to create a network of state-based insurance exchanges, or marketplaces, where people who lack access to affordable coverage through an insurer can purchase policies.

Insurers competing in the exchanges would be required to justify rate increases, and those who jacked up prices unduly could be barred from the exchange. Reid's package also would give patients the right to appeal to an independent board if an insurer denies a medical claim. And all insurance companies would be required to spend at least 80 cents of every dollary they collect in premiums on delivering care to their customers.

Every American would be required to obtain coverage under the proposal, and employers would be required to pay a fine if they failed to offer affordable coverage and their workers sought federal subsidies to purchase insurance in the exchanges. Reid's package would offer additional assistance to the smallest businesses, however, increasing tax credits to purchase coverage by $12 billion over previous versions.

The overall cost of the package was not immediately available, but aides said it would be more than covered by cutting future Medicare spending and raising taxes in the health sector, including a 40 percent excise on the most expensive insurance policies. The package would reduce budget deficits by $130 billion by 2019, aides said, and by as much as $650 billion in the decade thereafter.

Reid officially filed the package early Saturday with plans to hold a first critical vote after midnight Sunday. Barring unexpected delays, Democrats were still hoping to push the package to final passage by Christmas Eve.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 09:44 AM
Not so much, Bernie Sanders said he will vote for cloture, but he will not vote for the bill it self, it doesn't do what he wants it to do. Amazing that a self avowed Socialist doesn't even like this bill.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 09:50 AM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

Not so much, Bernie Sanders said he will vote for cloture, but he will not vote for the bill it self, it doesn't do what he wants it to do. Amazing that a self avowed Socialist doesn't even like this bill.

Perhaps you don't understand. Once cloture has been invoked, you ONLY need 50 votes, not 60.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 09:55 AM
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

Well **** that sucks, bunch of freaking sellouts. I guess life as we know it is about to change heavily. I wonder if riots are going to breakout when they shove this down our throats.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 10:01 AM
BTW, since coverage for adults does not begin until 2014, people with good insurance may find that their employers drop their coverage. The health care insurance excise tax of 40% will start hitting many popular plans, such as Blue Cross:

Democrats in the Senate are on the verge of agreeing to a plan that would essentially extend federal employee health insurance options to the rest of the country. But just as the federal health insurance network could become the national model, labor unions are warning it could also be unreasonably taxed under the Senate plan.

A group of unions released a report (PDF) today showing that the so-called "Cadillac" tax on higher-cost health insurance plans would, after three years, begin to hit the most popular health care plan within the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) -- ultimately impacting 48 percent of all federal employees and nearly 3.8 million people.

"I never really thought that our Chevy of a plan for federal employee health benefits would be a Cadillac plan," John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), said on a conference call today.

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) said the health benefits tax goes back on President Obama's promise not to tax the middle class.

"The Senate has gone into territory that most certainly will affect the middle class," he said.

Instead of offering a publicly-run insurance plan, or "public option," as part of their health care overhaul, Democrats in the Senate are now considering a plan to establish national private health insurance options, which would be administered by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) -- the same bureaucratic office that administers the FEHBP.

Congressmen would be able to tell their constituents "you're going to get exactly what we have, and that every federal employee has, you can buy into it,'' Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska) said Monday, according to the Associated Press.

Yet after three years, according to labor unions, the most popular FEHBP plan, a Blue Cross/Blue Shield Standard plan, would be subject to the Senate Democrats' proposed 40 percent tax on high-premium insurance plans. The tax on so-called "Cadillac" plans is a key provision in the Senate bill that is expected to be a large revenue raiser.

Starting in 2013, the tax would hit health care plans that exceed $23,000 for a family and $8,500 for an individual. These thresholds would increase annually at the rate of general inflation plus one percentage point — roughly 3 percent a year. Meanwhile, the union report points out, the Blue Cross/Blue Shield Standard plan has increased at an average annual rate of around 9 percent over the last 11 years. At this rate, according to the report, the version of the Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan that includes vision and dental coverage would be subject to the tax starting in 2015.

Those limits are for the TOTAL VALUE of the insurance plan. Don't think that if you're paying only a few hundred dollars a month, that your plan is exempt. If your employer is picking up the rest, and the limits of the total exceeds those amounts listed above, the tax will apply. Rather than pay that tax, your employer will probably drop the plan completely, or go to a plan with no tax, which means lower coverage for you and your family.
The middle class will end up paying MORE for insurance either way. Pelosi has already said that she will accept WHATEVER is in the SENATE plan, so you are shafted. The House bill did not have the excise tax, but rather a tax on millionaire. Of course, almost all senators are millionaires.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 10:09 AM
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

Wonderful, there is no telling what else is going to end up in this bill after it goes through reconciliation, it still has to get through the House again, but the amount of money they are spending to buy votes it wouldn't surprise me if they just spend another trillion to get it passed.

We are so screwed.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:13 AM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

We are so screwed.

Yes, we are. That is the bottom line. If Pelosi keeps her word, then there will be no reconciliation. She said she would merely send the bill back, unchanged, so that Obama, the messiah, can sign it before Christmas, so we can all have a GREAT BIG LUMP OF COAL in our stockings Christmas morning.
Bah humbug.

BTW, in order to get Nelson's vote, they put in the bill that Nebraska would have their portion of Medicaid/Medicare paid for, for eternity. What a deal for Nebraska. Screw the rest of the country.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:51 PM
Well, they even bought out Bernie "the Socialist" Sanders from the People's Republic of Vermont. The new amendment has tons of special deals for Vermont. It's amazing how Sanders talked about the lack of a public option, and said he would NEVER vote for this bill. Well, we know what his price was.
Scream and yell, and they give them YOUR TAX DOLLARS to THEIR STATE.
Maybe it is time for a REVOLUTION- a REAL ONE on the STREETS.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:54 PM
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

I have a feeling one is coming. Everybody has their price and when the pool of money you are pulling from is unlimited the price can be whatever it needs to be.

All though 'Bernie "the Socialist" Sanders', as you mentioned points out a very glaring part about Socialism, it isn't about having everybody being equal to each other, it's all about how much of the wealth gets redistributed to their pockets.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 04:04 PM
There has always been wheeling and dealing in Congress, since the earliest days.

Republicans are in the pockets of the big drug and insurance companies, and Democrats want benefits for their home states. Which is worse?

Lyndon Johnson made deals in order to get Medicare passed in the 1960's. I don't hear anybody now talking about revolution because we have Medicare, not even the very far right.

IMO Bernie Sanders doesn't like the legislation because it's a huge compromise and doesn't go far enough in its reforms. I tend to agree with him.

So I'm not crazy about the bill in its current form either, but IMO some reform is better than no change at all in the status quo.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 07:18 PM
reply to post by Sestias

So I'm not crazy about the bill in its current form either, but IMO some reform is better than no change at all in the status quo.

Will you still feel that way when insurance premiums double, and your health care is rationed? That is where this is headed.
You are aware that they are collecting 10 years of taxes, but only 5 years of health care, starting in 2014, in order to make it look like it is deficit neutral. It is a shell game, and this bill will further the road to complete insolvency for the American economy.
Yes, health care reform is needed.
But this bill IS worse than no bill.

posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 07:36 PM
The notion that somethng is better than nothing is absurd.

Gee, somebody is unresponsive. I don't know jack about first aid or CPR but hey something is better than nothing so I'm gonna start stomping on his chest and jamming cookies down his throat.

What should be done is some serious thinking. Not passing whatever however just because you want to be the politician that did something. Especially when it's taking bribes lies and tricks to get it passed. What sort of legacy will that be?One to be proud of or o e to sweat over hoping it doesn't screw a mess of # up for a whole lot of people?

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posted on Dec, 20 2009 @ 12:36 PM
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Not passing whatever however just because you want to be the politician that did something. Especially when it's taking bribes lies and tricks to get it passed. What sort of legacy will that be?One to be proud of or o e to sweat over hoping it doesn't screw a mess of # up for a whole lot of people?

You and I know the answer to that. The job of politicians is to screw up all of us, and they are doing a great job of it.

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