First, I would like to thank you for the time you took to respond to my and other questions, and for the job that you do.
You do not need to answer this in your video, as its not really a set of questions, and I do not mean this to pick on you in any way. However, in my
experience with law enforcement friends, some of what you are saying is more then a little slanted. For example:
You say that Police do not use their badges to get discounts on things.
I know that officers I spend time with pull out their badge carriers on purpose all the time so that stores, restaurants, clubs, etc. extend them
professional courtesy. I have seen this so often that it actually sickens me. I've gotten to the point where I just think to myself “god here comes
that badge carrier again, here comes the maneuver were they 'accidentally' push up that flap of leather to expose the badge..”. Its like
You say that officers do not tolerate other officers breaking the law.
Yet I know that it happens A LOT, and have seen it first hand. Some refer to their badges as “Get out of jail free cards”, and pulling their badge
when they get pulled over as “badge bonding”. If we all go out to a club, officers drive so that we do not have to worry about getting pulled
over. I personally have been given the “special” stickers, and such, that only law enforcement or their families are allowed to display on their
vehicles due to my closeness with certain officers. I am sure you know the ones of which I speak, the blue and yellow sticker, the metal PBA stickers
that only officers are given (not the plastic sticker that donaters get), etc. An officer has to do something really egregious to ever get called out
on the carpet about anything they do.
You say that police do not have quotas.
Yet I have been around officers who will hang out at my friends house (who is also an officer) for hours. They will carry their radios in case they
get a call, and will log into their computers to clear their messages, then after several hours they have to go “write a ticket” to show that they
have put in a busy day. I have learned to never allow an officer to get behind me because if he is just hunting to fill that “busy day” he will
pull me over for anything he can find just to write a ticket. Showing a “busy day” is just another term for “filling the daily quota”, no
matter how you wish to justify it.
You say that you have never heard of a police officer having a God Complex.
Yet they are the second biggest group to have this disorder next to Doctors. It comes from years of getting to make life and death decisions over
other people. It comes from being able to order others around, and them not be able to so much as question your authority. In corrections it comes
from driving inmates for years. Its an even bigger issue in the corrections arena because prisoners have NO civil rights.
You say there is no Us/Them Mentality.
Officers are the most judgmental people I have ever been around. They label people instantly into five groups:
1) Fellow officers and military (Future officers
2) Family ( I sort of fall into this group with several).
3) Non officers who work as medical and rescue professionals that may someday have to save their lives (I mainly fall into this group).
4) Normal professional people who may potentially be criminals but have not done anything wrong...Yet!
5) Human excrement.
There is MOST CERTAINLY an Us/Them mentality. I can even see it when I hang around with officer friends and a fellow officer shows up, there is a
distinct change in the way I am treated within the group that is different then it was before the second officer arrived. At first I thought it was my
imagination, but another fellow medical person, who is also friends with these officers, has noticed the same exact thing. It has gotten to such a
point with one officer, that I can call and instantly tell if there is another officer hanging out, if so I get off the phone as quickly as possible
to avoid the wave of smart-assedness (showing off by talking down to the non-officer) that is sure to follow.
Now you claim that this is because officers have to depend on each other over life and death situations, yet these guys all work in different
departments/agencies and will NEVER be called on to defend each other. Its more like a boys in blue club, and when they get together they have to
compare who has the bigger asp. I find it difficult to grasp that you have never experienced this in your years of being an officer.
A bit of help for you with some of the things that other posters are mentioning...
People keep bringing up “Oath Keepers”, its not really an organization that requires anything of their members other then you sign a pledge with
them that as a law enforcement officer you will defend the constitutional rights of others even if ordered to do otherwise. Its a good ideal, but I
doubt that if the time comes, it will make any difference. In my experience, Police will follow the law even if its unjust, as long as its the law its
justified in their minds. It will only matter to them if it happens to someone they care about.
Here is the website and the oath:
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a
redress of grievances.
Others keep bringing up stuff about Admiralty Law, and other Patriot Movement nonsense. I call it Nonsense, because that is exactly what it is, which
has been proven time an again in case law:
Idiot Legal Arguments
Bernard Sussman has compiled the most extensive collection ever of legal citations and rulings related to these "patriot" arguments. This exhaustive
concordance will be a valuable resource to attorneys and judges who will be thankful to discover that previous courts have often dealt with these
issues before. However, this guide is also useful to laymen and others outside the judicial system willing to wade through all the citations. It is
particularly valuable in helping people to understand the energy and ingenuity with which these extremist individuals seek to undermine or pervert the
legal system through radical reinterpretations of our society’s laws. Taken together, these arguments, frivolous though they may be, represent an
assault on the judicial system by people who would like to consider themselves immune to the laws that govern modern society. In putting together this
collection of precedents, Bernard Sussman has provided a great service to all who wish to see the laws preserved.
Among other things this includes:
Driving without a license.
Declaring yourself a Sovereign.
Denying US citizenship.
Forcing police to fill out questionnaires.
Courtroom flag fringe.
Eagle on the flag pole.
Claiming the US is under Admiralty Law.
Good thread so far, I am quite enjoying it.