Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?, page 1
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Topic started on 18-12-2009 @ 06:47 PM by Seiko
Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways? slate, source

Because it looks so hollywood.




As police chased Raymond "Ready" Martinez through Times Square on Thursday, the street hustler and aspiring rapper fired two shots, holding the gun sideways "like a character out of a rap video." According to the New York Post, Martinez's side grip caused the gun to jam, enabling police to shoot and kill the suspect. What's the point of holding a gun sideways?




While the New York Post reported that Martinez's side grip caused the gun to "stovepipe"—that's when the spent casing gets caught in the ejection port, jamming the weapon—it's unlikely that the horizontal orientation caused the failure. In theory, tilting a gun sideways—90-degrees counter-clockwise for a right-handed shooter—means that gravity works against the ejection of the spent casing. As a practical matter, however, gravity is so weak compared to the force of the ejection that jamming is no more frequent in the sideways position than in the customary one. The more likely cause of the jam was Martinez's choice of weapon and ammunition. The MAC-10 is prone to stovepiping—a problem that's exacerbated by the use of hollow-point bullets, which may become deformed and scrape the inside of the barrel, or underpowered ammunition, which can slow the slide and throw off the mechanism's timing


This is my first try at this forum, and I'm no weapons expert but I wanted to hear the opinions of some of our more experienced members.

Are we looking at people influenced too much by hollywood and just not having the knowledge of proper usage? I realize this article was inspired by a criminal, but the mention of his posture and grip seems to point to a stylized self perception.

One of the papers even got the gun jam wrong. So even the reporters are getting things wrong here.

I also found this brief history to be interesting.



During the first half of the 20th century, soldiers used the side grip for the express purpose of endangering throngs of people. Some automatic weapons from this era—like the Mauser C96 or the grease gun—fired so quickly or with such dramatic recoil that soldiers found it impossible to aim anything but the first shot. Soldiers began tilting the weapons, so that the recoil sent the gun reeling in a horizontal rather than vertical arc, enabling them to spray bullets into an onrushing enemy battalion instead of over their heads.


Are the criminals that emulate rappers and hollywood doing so for a style or a callous disregard of safety and innocent bystanders?

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Seiko]


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 06:52 PM by Janky Red









It's to look cool, but is actually stoopid


the title and the question



reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 06:53 PM by Seiko
reply to post by platipus



Yes I guess I should have used an and/or in that question as it can obviously be both.

It just seems that the style is more important then the usage here. Should I find myself in a situation where I'm forced to defend with a weapon I'd be less concerned about my appearance of "coolness" and more worried about success.

It just seems we're looking at some confusing priorities.


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 06:55 PM by Seiko
reply to post by JPhish



I realize the video stance is for show, and the article explains the close in face shots seem to be easier with the side hold. But we're also looking at a real life situation where the perpetrator held his weapon in such a fashion.

Maybe the rappers and hollywood types do it for simple aesthetics, but what about the real life situations influenced by such a display?


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 07:12 PM by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by Ausar


This is a joke, right?

You lock your joints and fire a 454 Casull handgun. Tell me how that works out for you.

They shoot sideways because they're lazy morons. Same reason they wear their pants around their ankles and turn their baseball caps to the side like some inbred with Down syndrome.

Can't see images on mobile. Anybody post this classic yet: www.thegunzone.com...



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reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 07:17 PM by JPhish
Originally posted by Seiko
reply to
post by JPhish


Maybe the rappers and hollywood types do it for simple aesthetics, but what about the real life situations influenced by such a display?


I said it my previous post; they are morons. I'm not going to sugar coat it.

Whether they are doing it for aesthetic reasons or because they seriously think it is more accurate. It's utterly retarded.

There is no logical reason to ever hold a gun like that.

I wonder how her black eye looked after this shot!

Hopefully the recoil breaks his nose so he learns his lesson.

WRONG on so many levels . . .

Babies and monkeys have more common sense. At least they’re holding it with two hands!

Sadly, of all the pictures here, the monkey was the closest to a correct pose.

Sorry, i couldn't resist

[edit on 12/18/2009 by JPhish]


reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 07:35 PM by JayinAR
This was pretty danged funny. img.dailymail.co.uk...

Also the black eye photo was great as well.
On a side note, I would be more than willing to "instruct" her on how to "handle a gun."

But yeah, people hold a pistol sideways like that because they are stupid and want to look "cool."

The entire stance is like a "Fu Pig" look... "you are nothing to me, not even worth the time of properly sighting you in. I'm just gonna point and shoot."



reply posted on 18-12-2009 @ 07:55 PM by JayinAR
reply to post by Doc Velocity



Wow, good point! I had never thought of it that way.


I still think the other points stand, though. This dude shooting at cops wasn't a hitman. He was a moron.
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