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Chavez brings the house down in Copenhagen

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


Didnt he say a few months back "We are witnessing the fall of the empire of the Eagle" i hate the guy's politics but good on him for speaking out




posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by mikelee
Chavez continues to rattle his pitchfork just to get some publicity and talk trash whenever he can. The real story about this fool contradicts not only his buffonary but his rhetoric as well.


Chavez's socialism is as much about perpetuating his dictatorship over Venezuela and expanding his influence in Latin America as it is improving the lot of the poor (and if you can name a system on this Earth under which more people have been lifted out of poverty than free-market democracy, I'm all ears). It's especially ironic that Chavez would berate free-market nations for causing catastrophic climate change when he helps fund his own Bolivarian Revolution by selling his country's oil and natural gas to the United States.


MODS can delete this. Posted in error. Sorry!

[edit on 19-12-2009 by mikelee]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Venezuela's ongoing arms acquisitions--coupled with weapons purchases among other South American nations--have raised concerns over an arms race in the region.


well, what would you expect them to do when US threatened to invade Venezuela so many times?

just to sit and watch?






GARBAGE.

Show me where that has EVER been stated. SERIOUSLY!
Sounds to me like somebody actually believes all the Rhetoric.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
you are forgetting what our nation does around the world in the name of freedom, the two wars we are fighting base under that same assumption, if you look at that then we are not better than Chavez, at least he has not invaded the middle east yet.


This type of argumentation is a logical fallacy in that it compares two entirely different motives and contexts with each other and also insinuates that another wrong somehow justifies Chavezs wrongs or are comparable to the size of Communist wrongs.

It is your freedom to use the internet that has obviously been protected, a freedom you no longer have in many middle-eastern and communist countries.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by prof-rabbit
Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. etc. all the ones in between and always an excuse about how "they" treat "their" citizens of their "sovereign" country. So you drop death from the air and call the citizens "collateral damage".

Not forgetting all the other things you leave behind, from Agent Orange to Depleted Uranium.



IN Vietnam you had the USSR and China supporting the North Vietnamese. [Communists] Vietnam invaded Cambodia and Laos and used them as a staging areas for attacks against the South Vietnamese. The Communists are responsible for 50% of the casualties.

In Korea you had the same scenario. [Communists] the USSR and China Supporting the North Koreans. As I have stated before AGAIN, they are accountable for half those figures. Correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't the Soviets also invade Afghanistan and loose something to the tune of 18000+ soldiers in roughly the same amount of time that we have lost like 4000 soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

I've noticed how you have left out Angola and Nicaragua. Oh wait more Socialist/Communist aggression. How many did the Communist Chinese kill in Tibet?

As far as Agent Orange I would agree that it was a mistake. Our own soldiers suffer from that mistake. As far as depleted Uranium. Do you have any proof to back up the myth that the shells used for anti tank weapons in the first few days have carried over any lingering health issues? Or is that just simply more speculation?

[edit on 19-12-2009 by SLAYER69]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Chavez sits in a regal atmosphere funded by oil and drugs. I suppose if capitalism had not found roots in Venezuela, they would still rely on drugs for export.

Good thing Americans found oil for the camel drivers of Arabia and the banana pickers of Venezuela. They would still be driving camels and picking bananas.

But we're the bad guys......

And what about the Monroe Doctrine? The countries of the Western Hemisphere would be taken over by nations of the Eastern Hemisphere and/or Europe had we not protected them, and by doing so, protecting our own southern and northern doorsteps from land invasion. Our success has largely been based on the great oceans that surround us and protect us. Here we are, protecting and defending many other nations, just so we can have some peace at home. And they call that imperialism? I call it free defense. They can spend their hard earned oil money on their people....but do they?



[edit on 12/19/2009 by Jim Scott]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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S&F for you. Chavez is just telling like it is. It's funny how the American media will brand someone as "dangerous" when they don't agree with American Greed Policy.

You go Chavez, more power to you. Now the only problem is the rest of the countries in the world need to grow some balls and do the same thing. But then again seeing as how stupid Americans are i think not. If other countries rise us to throw off the yolk of oppression, MSM would just spin and it and as usual, Americans will lap it up.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Misoir
 


I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

I noticed how Obama and his Republican minions have decided to nationalize banks... that would be communism. So where is the capitalism?

(unedited since was already quoted)

[edit on 18-12-2009 by truthquest]

[edit on 18-12-2009 by truthquest]


What nationalization? He didn't nationalize sh**. He gave them the money, and he ASKS for the banks to change, without forcing them. He should've nationalized the banks, but decided to give them money instead. Friggin Obama, I knew I should've moved to Venezuela when I could've



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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You have no "freedom" on the internet now. You can be traced to an internet cafe from CCTV in a heartbeat, encryption nothing you can get they cannot get into and as for IP masking well what makes you think they don't run the proxy servers or up stream provider? The internet was a military network, they built it..

Just because some nations cannot be bothered with running the illusion game does not mean you have something they don't.

Everything is monitored, everything.

It goes back before the internet, ISBN as an example. They REALLY want to know what your up to so they can tailor spin to hit the masses accurately and to weed out trouble makers. Freedom which I hear American's scream about is an illusion, your not free at all. The funny thing is that they make you think you are by have some other country under the hammer. You have never have been free and sadly I suspect never will.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Bunker or Bust]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Im not sure why anti-capitalist rhetoric is what you guys are looking for? Business both big and small are products of capitalism. We start businesses to be successful, and eventually the successful ones go on from small to BIG businesses, its not their fault for expanding. Granted, I dont agree with exploiting workers, terrible benefits, etc. but seriously...dont hate the system from which the business operates in: Capitalism.


Freedom and free markets will be the only resounding system that will last the ages from the point of inception in 1776 until America crumbles...whenever that is.. (eventually, every government falls)

Ask Chavez what hes done for free markets & small businesses... >=(



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Chavez is just the loudest and most outspoked of the tin horn dictators and 3rd world leaders about to cash in on the windfall profits of the GW Cap and Trade Fraud/ debacle!


Fraud in Europe's Cap and Trade System


The top cops in Europe say carbon-trading has fallen prey to an organized crime scheme that has robbed the continent of $7.4 billion -- a massive fraud


7.4 billion that Chavez can't wait to get his hands on!



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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I am not his biggest fan but you cannot prove he is behind the fraud. It is just not fair and you can do better than that I know.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by marg6043
But what is going in our nation is can not be denied, capitalism in America is only benefiting the few.


Where`d you get your internet-access? Where`d you get your computer? Your clothes? Your food? Your drinks?

IN Venezuela its increasingly difficult to get stuff. In Zimbabwe the option was lost long ago.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Skyfloating]


Excuse me? So everyone owe's "america" something for computers, clothes, food and drinks??
You gotta be kidding us man! And I even noticed you went as far as to say a lot of people do not have access to the internet...which countries are you reffering? Have you been there to verify anything or are you rellying on what mainstream media is telling you in the good ole usa?

I can make a 2 page post out of my reply to you but I will keep it short...

Tvs, pcs, nintendos, vcrs, dvds=made in asia(korea, japan, taiwan)

Clothes=made in india, bangladesh, china

Drinks=made everywhere

America=zippos and gas guzzling cars



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Bunker or Bust
China and Russia will be like America in a very short period of time. That is not a good thing... Just some new faces to join the elite dinner club


I agree...

There is plenty of room for improvement. People are sadly mistaken if they are delusional enough to believe that the old communist states didn't have their ELITES. If you weren't a "PARTY" member and part of the upper crust you were a nobody.


They were elite only in a political sense. They never accumulated the wealth of western european leaders, and certainly not the wealth of western style business leaders.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
As bad as some people feel things are presently. Under the influence of the Capitalist systems of the west, the world has seen the largest increase in over all prosperity and also the largest increase in the Earths population. Due mostly to better nutrition and availability of medicine and food.

Are there Areas on Earth where this has failed?
YES.


Well, its failed in more places then your willing to acknowledge. Africa alone is a huge continent with a billion or so residing there. Nevermind asia, south america and eastern europe...Sorry but capitalism does not work as promissed.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
It's not a perfect system.
I doubt anybody would claim it is.


Indeed its a lousy system, almost as lousy as communism.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Tvs, pcs, nintendos, vcrs, dvds=made in asia(korea, japan, taiwan)

Clothes=made in india, bangladesh, china



Man how did you turn that last statement completely around and make a pointless although true statement?

Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India, Bangladesh and China are not all Capitalists now?



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Bunker or Bust
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You have no "freedom" on the internet now.



As he demonstrates complete freedom to make that statement without fear of any repercussions.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:46 PM
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When Chavez said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.


That's a reference to Marx. Maybe from the Manifesto. "A terrible hobgoblin stalks the streets of Europe" or something like that.

Personally, I'm for Chavez and Morales and the rest of them. Viva la Revolution!

[edit on 19-12-2009 by rizla]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Well, its failed in more places then your willing to acknowledge. Africa alone is a huge continent with a billion or so residing there. Nevermind asia, south america and eastern europe...Sorry but capitalism does not work as promissed.



Rubbish...

You have no idea what my beliefs are. More assumptions. I'm glad to see denying ignorance is still alive and well here at ATS.



Since the end of WWII the world has seen both the largest single increase of over all population accumulation of wealth and the population has doubled.





posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
It is your freedom to use the internet that has obviously been protected, a freedom you no longer have in many middle-eastern and communist countries.


As someone mentioned before me, there is no free internet, regardless of what we define *free*. The nsa controls the internet in every facet while providing the illusion of "free"! Just look on ats alone to see how many disinfo agents are posting.

Also I am quite certain ALL major intelligence agencies monitor conspiracy sites just to keep things "in order". KGB, MI-6, CIA, MOSSAD..etc!

Telephone calls, fax, emails, and sms messages also monitored.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Thank YOU!

What is so disturbing that people who are against Obama are praising Chavez for simply speaking out against him, and yet have no idea who Chavez is or what he is done.

He is basically the epitomy of what they are criticizing Obama for!

Chavez had the constitution rewritten. Chaves is the is the picture of socialism.

He nationalized companies.

Really, do your homework people. The irony of supporting someone like Chavez but scream that Obama is socialist is just mind boggling.



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