In His Capacity as IDIOT, Al Franken Disrupts Senate

Originally posted by Polynomial C
nobody wants to hear that idiot geezer (Lieberman)

Except, perhaps, people who want and demand a clear explanation of what is in the "healthcare reform" bill.

You don't know what's in it, none of these socialist healthcare supporters know what's in the bill, yet you all support it.

That's ignorant and foolish and dangerous.

But, what's worse, you don't want anyone asking questions. And that's sinister.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Doc Velocity


So are we playing the "assuming game" .. ?

I assume you don't know what the bill is or says either...

I assume you hate the bill because your RIGHT leaning friends tell you to do so...

If i have to ask questions .. I'LL ASK THEM MYSELF..

I don't need some "PAYED-BY-PHARMA- geezer to do it for me ..









[edit on 18-12-2009 by Polynomial C]

Perhaps if there was more whining in Canada, you wouldn't have such a pathetic, socialist government and a crappy health care system.

We don't want a Canadian system in the United States.

— Doc Velocity

Hmm

I was gonna respond to this well thought out statement with harsher

words.

But then I remembered the motto of the Site,

So I'll just Deny you.

48

Originally posted by Polynomial C
I assume you hate the bill because your RIGHT leaning friends tell you to do so...

I personally am suspicious of the bill because it's not necessary, and we can't afford it.

I hate the rushed and secretive Senate process because our Leftist president, Barack Hussein Obama, PROMISED that the complete bill would be available on the Internet for 5 days for everyone to examine BEFORE it came to a Senate vote.

Obama PROMISED the American people this.

But I suppose you have no problem with Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress BREAKING THEIR PROMISES?

That's what I figured.


— Doc Velocity

Too much partisan politics. We need to get rid of ALL DEMOCRATS AND ALL REPUBLICANS. Then we need to give every single American the same health care plan that members of Congress have. If it is good enough for them, then it is good enough for the rest of us.

Originally posted by Doc VelocitySenator John McCain was boiling mad and immediately came to Lieberman's defense, rebuking junior Senator Franken on the spot, saying that in his 24 years in the Senate he had never seen a Senator denied his request for one more minute. "I don't know what's happening in this body," said McCain, "but it's wrong."

What's going on in the Senate, Mr. McCain, is called a socialist snow job.

— Doc Velocity

Hate to break this to you, Doc, but McCain did exactly the same thing years ago to another senator...so his "outrage" is rather laughable.

McCain is nothing more than a hypocrite, as most republicans are...

Originally posted by Sean48
So I'll just Deny you.

How very like a liberal Democrat. When confronted with questions and demands for clarity, you deny the speaker.

Thanks for making my point and validating this thread.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Polynomial C
I assume you hate the bill because your RIGHT leaning friends tell you to do so...

I personally am suspicious of the bill because it's not necessary, and we can't afford it.

I hate the rushed and secretive Senate process because our Leftist president, Barack Hussein Obama, PROMISED that the complete bill would be available on the Internet for 5 days for everyone to examine BEFORE it came to a Senate vote.

Obama PROMISED the American people this.

But I suppose you have no problem with Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress BREAKING THEIR PROMISES?

That's what I figured.


— Doc Velocity

What are you talking about .. THE BILL is ONLINE ..
Bill (Short Version) And Bill (Complete PDF)

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Sean48
So I'll just Deny you.

How very like a liberal Democrat. When confronted with questions and demands for clarity, you deny the speaker.

Thanks for making my point and validating this thread.

— Doc Velocity

Er

I'm a Canadian

You'll have to seek validation elsewhere

48

Originally posted by Randolf
Hate to break this to you, Doc, but McCain did exactly the same thing years ago to another senator...so his "outrage" is rather laughable.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm in love with John McCain. I consider him a left-leaning moderate and a better Democrat than a Republican. Which makes his "outrage" against a fellow Democrat that much more poignant.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 12/18/2009 by Doc Velocity]

Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

Yesterday, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), acting on the orders of the Senate leadership, refused to grant Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) “an additional moment” to continue speaking on the Senate floor after his 10 minutes expired. Franken’s objection caused Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to groan about how Franken’s move was unprofessional, unprecedented, and disrespectful:

McCAIN: I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent.

Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.

On October 10, 2002 — just ahead of the looming mid-term elections — the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.

During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bush’s constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator’s time has expired.

Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.

Mr. McCAIN. I object.

Byrd stepped in to grant Dayton time to finish his remarks. But just moments later, Byrd asked for more time to speak for himself. Again, McCain objected, prompting Byrd to chide him for doing so. “This shows the patience of a Senator,” Byrd said. “This clearly demonstrates that the train is coming down on us like a Mack truck, and we are not even going to consider a few extra minutes for this Senator.”

After being publicly shamed, McCain acquiesced to Byrd’s request. But moments later, McCain added this disclaimer: “I wish to say very briefly that I understand people have a desire to speak. We have a number of Senators who have not spoken on this issue. It is already looking as if we may be here well into this evening. From now on, I will be adhering strictly to the rules.” In other words, he acted just like Franken did yesterday.

Originally posted by Sean48
I'm a Canadian

I didn't say you were a liberal Democrat. I said "how very like" a liberal Democrat. Comparing you to a liberal Democrat, see?

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by yankeerose


Again, Senator McCain's hypocrisy is not in question. He is a hypocrite, and I've thought so for years before he ever ran for the presidency.

McCain professes to be a conservative, yet he (and the moderate GW Bush) fought conservatives on immigration reform — McCain wanted 12 million illegals draining our economic system, and he wanted to grant them amnesty, for the same reasons that hard-left Democrats wanted to grant such amnesty.

John McCain is no friend of conservatives — he's nearly as liberal (and laughable) as Al Franken, which makes McCain's "outrage" at Franken all the more credible.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Was Franken not allowed to say no?

Oh wait he was allowed to! but he broke long standing tradition

Boy if we aren't bashing our politicans for being in an old boys club we are bashing them for breaking the traditions of the old boys club!

Is there a theme here? I think I can feel it...

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Contact your Senators NOW and tell them to shelve this half-baked health care bill before it destroys our economy and our nation.

We'll deal with the Democrat Party in 2010.

— Doc Velocity

How about instead we shelve 2/3 of the military before it destroys our economy and our nation and keep healthcare at no extra cost.

Originally posted by Helmkat
Was Franken not allowed to say no?

Oh, Franken could say anything he wanted, I suppose, if he wanted to make a greater ass of himself. However, Franken is an inexperienced noob, a has-been comedian and a one-year senator, presuming to silence a veteran senator who was once the Democrat candidate for Vice President.

Without doubt, Lieberman's remarks carried far more import than Al Franken's juvenile and disrespectful objection.

Franken's job is not to lay waste to 200 years of Senate tradition. His job is to sit there and shut up while the experienced statesmen debate one of the worst pieces of legislation in U.S. history (next to the ridiculous Economic Stimulus Package).

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
How about instead we shelve 2/3 of the military before it destroys our economy and our nation and keep healthcare at no extra cost.

Take it up with your president who just sent 30,000 more troops into Afghanistan.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Doc Velocity

 

....Gee, that would be the American People that elected Obama by a landslide margin? the same OBAMA THAT MADE HEALTH CARE REFORM THE CENTERPIECE OF HIS CAMPAIGN?
You guys are a laugh!

EVERYONE agrees healthcare needs to be fixed -- but not all healthcare legislation is automatically "good" legislation. To run of "fixing healthcare" is a no-brainer and is simply election rhetoric.

The version the president and some Dems are pressing for doesn't "fix the ills" of healthcare -- all it mostly does is raise taxes to pay for the healthcare of those who can't afford it.

The president's version does very little in the way of controlling skyrocketing costs. If costs are put under control, then most people would be able to afford some healthcare, and the people who do have health insurance would pay less for it.

The only healthcare bill people should stand behind is one that makes healthcare affordable -- not one that doesn't address costs and is only good for giving it to people who can't afford the high insurance premium.

I thought it rather strange he would deny Joe another minute but after thinking about it....have you ever listened to Lieberman speak?

He has a monotone voice and just goes on and on and on.

Plus I have it from a very close insider(The same one David Wilcock uses)
that it was all because Al Franken had to pee and he wasn't going to hold it one minute more!

I wish some of these old dudes like McCain and Lieberman would just take their uber cushy retirements and go sit on the porch.

Part of the problem is two many professional politicians. They have forgotten how they got there or why they are there.

reply to post by Doc Velocity


So you admit he didn't break any rules.

He just broke tradition.

Gotcha.

Ummm failing to see the problem here

Oh and just what is a Liberal cesspool anyway as say compared to a Conservative cesspool? I would be interested to know if they smell any different, you know in a metaphorical sense, because from where I sit they smell the same and you might be standing in one or the other...