Kucinich Announces the End of Class Warefare and the Defeat of the Middle Class.

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posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
this is the same lunatic that claims to have seen a UFO....

come on a silent triangle shaped craft....who's ever heard of such a thing. This guys makes up a lot of ish....

You forget where you are, buddy?

When you say things like that I have to wonder what your motivation for posting on ats is.

On topic: I don't know much about kusinich but this thread has inspired me to do a little digging about him.

Am I wrong in assuming that that he is too far removed from the political ideology of Ron Paul to see a major alliance between the two?




posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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Well you see, part of the problem is that the indoctrination from the Socialist/Globalist elites has been wokring very well.

You mention "our Democratic process"... What Democratic process?... The Republic of the United States is not a Democracy, and it was never intended to be one by the forefathers of the Republic.

In a Democracy mayority rules, and the mayority can take away the rights of the minorities if they want. Democracy is when 51% of the people, or the state claiming it represents the mayority, takes away the rights of the other 49%, or if the state, and the Socialist elites have been rigging the electoral process they can make it look like the mayority won.

This is why we have the electoral college, and why it was formed by the forefathers... to supposedly save us from mob dictatorship., so that the minorities also have a voice.

But the indoctrination from the Socialist/Globalist elites to change the perception of the people has been working very well not only in the U.S. but most of the western world.

The problem is also the one party which was supposed to be the main advocate of the Republican government, which the Constitution states shall be the ONLY form of government guaranteed to every state in the Union has also been hijacked. It has been slowly corrupted, and transformed.

You talk about "taking back our country" but taking it back and transform it into what?

Change it to what?

Do any of you remember we are in the problems we are in right now because of promises of CHANGE?....

What sort of "new" idealism and form of government do you want to implement? Is it the same form of idealism other Americans want?

If you have been a victim of the indoctrination which has you believing that the Republic of the United States is a Democracy, you think the ideas that you have will truly represent the people, and the Republic?

Are we going to take the country back just so it is exCHANGED by another form of "Democracy" in which those in power claim to represent ALL the people?

I know that it is impossible to have every American satisfied, but the fact is that the only thing that can save the Republic is to embrace once again the princicles which the forefathers agreed on to fund this Republic.

We don't need any new CHANGE... we need to embrace the OLD principles, and I am not talking about slavery, but the idea that EVERY man, and woman should be FREE...

Americans should be free to choose without having ANYONE order them, and force them to do things.

We should even to be FREE from those with the flawed idealism that makes them think they know what is better for others...

You don't like guns, and you think no civilian should have them? It is your opinion, but just because you think like this you don't have the right to take away "the right to own and bear Arms of every American which SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON"....

You don't like religion, and or spirituality in general? It is your choice, and your opinion, but just because you think like this you don't have the right to DEMAND for a secular nation.

You think Americans should be FORCED to do Community Service, and also to be FORCED to serve in the military? It is your opinion, but this nation did not come to be by FORCING people to do what the few want.

EVERY American should decide for himself/herself what they want to do, and NOONE should be demanding for ALL Americans to do Community Service, or join the Armed Forces just because a few want it to be so.

Since when has it become a principle of FREEDOM to DEMAND for ALL Americans and to be FORCED to do Community Service, and or join the Armed Forces?... That is not FREEDOM.

I know that my own ideas, and my embracing the Constitution, and Republicanism as I think the forefathers meant it to be, does not sit well with Liberals, and other Americans that advocate left-wing ideologies.

I also know that my ideas about the fact that corporations have been allowed to become too big, and too powerful, and having "too big to fail corporations" does not embrace a true free market, also doesn't sit well with those who own these "too big to fail corporations".

Businesses should stay small to allow competition, and truly competitive prices, and for a truly free market to reign. This will also allow for more Americans to have their own small businesses and partake into the free market system.

Corporations should stay away from politics, and they should NEVER be allowed to influence politics, OR SCIENCE to further certain groups agendas. Neither should politics, and politicians use SCIENCE to further their agendas.

Politicians have been allowed to become too lazy, except for a few cases, but we have seen in C-span the mostly empty seats which can be seen in almost every Senate, or House meeting.

They are being paid too much, and this is luring the wrong people into politics just for the money and influence.

Politicians should earn at the most $30,000 a year, and they should not be allowed to accept any sort of "donations", or "gifts".

There should be at least three different groups supervising what the Senate, and House do, as well as someone supervising the bills that the President wants to pass.

If the bills in question in ANY way confilcts with ANY part of the Constitution, and if such bill conflicts with the freedoms, and rights bestowed to ALL Americans as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, such bill, or bills should be stricken from the records, and in fact such bills that conflict in any way with the rights of ALL Americans given by the Constitution should have never even been passed the Senate.

In general we should once more embrace the principles which made the Republic possible, and every right given by the forefathers, which exist within the Constitution should NEVER be bypassed, or ignored by the government.




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posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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uote]Originally posted by beebs

We just had 'tea parties' a few months ago. No matter what you think of the tea parties(if you think Fox is all they were, it doesn't matter), do these not sound EXACTLY like what was happening when our country was building up to the first revolution?
I just attended my first Tea Party meeting in NorfolkN va. There were about 30 people. Most were in their 50's and 60's but there were some younger members. Most were very average citizens who never protested a day in their lives.

Something is happening. The NWO Elites are losing their grip and making mistakes. Please join your local movement. Politicians are scared. They've been calling and asking what they can do for us.

Alone were powerless but in groups they can't ignore us. Its time to take back the country from the morally bankrupt politicians and send them home for good.

Our actions are being watched at levels that may only be understood by the type of people on these boards. There is a spiritual awakening happening contemporaneously with the political awareness.

We must prove ourselves worthy and not ambivalent. Actions and reactions are speeding up. Karma is speeding up. The actions of the evil are being paid back very quickly.

Conversely, the actions of the righteous are being rewarded. Its time to get your asses up from your computers and start meeting your peers face to face. The NWO is in trouble. Its time to drive a stake through the heart of the beast..

Are these events manufactured? I think not. We are really seeing the start of the downfall of the NWO.

Evasius has much to cover lately.




posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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I'm not filing a tax return this year. The Gov. can kis my ass while I load my pistol.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 12:53 AM
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I think it's time to put our bodies on the gears.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Kucinich listens and reads too.
He knew that Dubai got that bail out money.
It's too bad most people don't listen to him, if they did, not matter what their poltics, they'd be better informed.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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You Red Baiters are actually starting to BUY your own B$%#%%, that is scary...

COMPLETELY IGNORing what was happening this time last year.

The pillars of CAPITALISM did their thing and put the whole world squarely in a mess of their making. But instead of analyzing, discussing or learning from this whole to do, we jump into the 50's era soviet fear carnival of wonder. Truly, truly twisted in many ways,
- I mean bait switch, denial and fantasy... An easy way to distract? Change discussion?

The USA and it Private sectors are shipping out American jobs by the boatload, the tippy top wages are going up, in comparison to real wages - exponentially. Meanwhile everything is getting more expensive-

So I mean what is the logical motive behind this wave of Red panic???

People are getting wealthier, everyday the money flows, what is the bloody problem?

Really - some insight?



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
Yes, it does sound like history is repeating itself again.

This is what I've been saying for years (at least since 2003), here at ATS...History repeats, mostly because these self-styled "elite" are from primarily the same few families (some research & theories point to the "300 families") that have doing the same things for decade after decade, generation after generation. They keep building empires & they keep collapsing...Repeated mistake after repeated mistake. This is why history repeats itself so consistently...It's far past time to make a break in this historic cycle of repeated mistakes & start writing a new future. But something must be done very soon (like...Immediately) because the thread holding Damocles' Sword has already been cut & it's on it's way down.


Originally posted by autowrench
I would say this, if the Rich Elite Bankers keep on poking the sleeping bear that is the American People, eventually the bear will wake up, and she will be mad as hell.

Well, why not? It could truly be said that we've already been in a "Bear Market" for a looong time...Since the Federal Reserve was "established" in 1913.


"They" may change their tactics with advancing technologies over the centuries, but they continue to follow the same basic strategies. The Spartans even had a way to pass on their own strategies of battle, in folk songs; One of them went something like this: "Fight not too long the same foe; lest your tactics he comes to know." We the People failed to recognize their tactics, over & over again. However, advancing technologies has brought a new "X-Factor" into the mix...One of their most successful strategies has been to censor information to the public & "re-write histories" to teach children in schools, after conquering a new area; This is the primary tactic that's kept the People from recognizing their treachery against us. Enforced ignorance!


Originally posted by guidanceofthe third kind
people have been saying the middle class is been slowly killed off for over a decade. Where have you been?

Well, I can't speak of where guidanceofthe third kind may have been over the past 5 decades or so while this has been happening...

...But I've been living the beginning stages of the decline during my early childhood & have seen more evidence of it from here for the past several years. This is far from the first time I've posted this particular link on ATS. Yeah, it's a political rant site, but ignore the "rant" & follow leads to find other sources for facts, too; It may surprise you how many facts can be found in sources as simple as newspaper archives from the past few decades. As I've said in another part in this post, their numerous crimes are a matter of public record.


Yet, since the advent of computers & especially the internet, individual people have gained access to a worldwide method of gathering their own information! Why do you think "they" are trying so hard to stifle free expression on the internet? They failed to jump up & hit the internet hard when it first became available to the public...They failed with the internet at first, but they've ramped up censorship & now going completely overboard with other "distractions" in our economy & society. But even regardless of that, more people than ever before KNOW now & the knowing isn't merely restricted to one nation or another anymore...It's a knowing that is already spread worldwide!

They've always feared us...That's why they've been forced to operate in the shadows, with stealth & it's time to shine the light in on them. They realized long ago that if their widespread use of lies & treachery came to public knowledge, they would be done for. But now, so many more people know (& learning in greater numbers by the day) that they've become desperate...This is one of the reasons why they've dropped all pretense at play-acting as our "representatives" in the government. They now know that their crimes have become a matter of public record. There aren't enough paper-shredders in existence to destroy all of the evidence they've left behind.

Another reason they've dropped their pretenses is because they want the People to rise up in violence...This is one of their tactics that they've used again & again in history! It gives them the "excuse" they need to "justify" a violent response, so they can "play the media" & try to come out smelling like roses after the smoke settles & they've decreased the population to a more "controllable" level. It's a method to destroy their enemies & further indoctrinate the rest to be more docile.

I've been reading & studying history for most of my life...I've been researching & studying Law for nearly a decade. By the Supreme Law of the Land they've been violating, they've already long ago self-revoked any valid authority to sit in those Offices...OUR Offices...upon the very first Act in Breech of Oath committed. Any current Officers have also self-revoked the authority if they act to perpetuate those crimes committed by their predecessors.

To really stymie their plans to engineer & prepare for a violent upheaval, all it really would take is a few hundred or so Law Enforcement Officers who really abide by & obey their Oath of Office to step in & arrest them; Being backed by lawful Warrants & the People, of course. It would be more effective to threaten their jobs than to threaten their lives. It wouldn't even take Officers originating from Federal Offices. By the 9th & 10th Amendments, increasingly so, States are exercising the Laws that confirm that the States themselves have been granted more Political Powers than the Federal Government has been granted; Indeed, the Bill of Rights was meant to limit Federal Power! States-level Law Enforcement already have the Lawfully-Granted Powers it would take to do the job...After all, the 50 States outnumber the one District of Columbia...And the manpower available? US population is over 300 million & still growing.
By over-reaching their few delegated Powers, the Feds have merely opened the floodgates to their arrests & to face charges under indictment in accordance with the Due Process of Law. Merely the "over-reaching" in & of itself are violations against the Constitution & crimes against the People.

Let's use the 2nd Amendment as the threat of force, just as the various nobles threatened force to get King James to abide by the Magna Carta. Yet, one thing those nobles didn't have on their side in 1215 was an already-functioning set of Core Laws established for them...They had to start from scratch, drawing on the Power of the Common Law. We the People already have the basis of Rule of Law on our side (the Constitution & Bill of Rights had already ordained Common Law as the Supreme Law of the Land) to re-build that which was stolen from us. All Political Power originates from We the People; the 9th & 10th Amendments merely recycle some of this Power through the Feds, then the States & right back to We the People, coming full circle! Citizens' Arrest...En Mass!

All it would really take is to re-establish an appropriate Article 3 Court & arrest them to stand trial...Their crimes are numerous, serious & committed against all of humanity (not merely restricted to one nation or another). Then the unlawful agencies & Offices can be stripped from the system & we can hold lawful elections once again. Downsize the government & re-establish Rule by Law! Take note that I'm not trying to recruit for any organization...I only ask that you gain information & perhaps think of some new paths to research you may not already be aware of, so that you can make your own decisions on what you do. Even if you only use the information to guide your own efforts, there's lots of good places to get a start on keeping up with the crimes the government commits. Their crimes are numerous, wide-reaching & being compounded day by day...And a matter of public record.


This time we must pay attention to much stricter guidelines for determining qualifications for those who would occupy Our Offices henceforth. Independent Watchdog Organizations would keep closer eyes for scrutinizing the performance of our new Officers...After all, any Officer on any level of government can be removed for "Treason, Bribery or other High Crimes & Misdemeanors." Keep the government small, well within the limitations imposed by the Constitution & Bill of Rights...This document (the Constitution & Bill of Rights were ratified together, as a whole) are the very Contract of Employment that creates those Offices in the first place, so We the People have the Political Power & the Right to scrutinize our employees.


Originally posted by ziggy1706
...speaking of hwich i wonder when and where the rockefellers next meeting is? and WHO is gunna bethier...

You'd probably have better luck looking into the Bilderberger...Just run a Search in the ATS forums to get a start on looking in on the "elite."

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[edit on 19-12-2009 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by Chillidog1
Where are these "Men of Honor" who swore an oath to God to Serve and Protect their countrymen? Cowards, ALL OF YOU! How could you let these snakes do this to us? You go halfway around the world and kill thousands of people who did absolutely nothing to you, but you let some of the most evil people to ever walk this beautiful planet of ours destroy everything that we and our ancestors worked for.

Well, they're not having a real good time themselves...But this link is a good indicator of how I can say, "The best support we can give our troops is to bring them back home."


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You mention "our Democratic process"... What Democratic process?... The Republic of the United States is not a Democracy, and it was never intended to be one by the forefathers of the Republic.

That's very true. The Founding Forefathers abhorred Democracy as much as we abhorred Communism during the Cold War Era. The main reason being aptly summed up by Thomas Jefferson:

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

One of the main problems with Democracy is that, once 49% have lost their Rights, the other 51% lose theirs too...They just fade out instead of disappearing outright.
Looking at Article 4, Section 4, we never should have stopped being a Republic. In the strictest sense, the Constitution acts as a Contract of Employment, our Officers are sworn/affirmed to guarantee a Republican form of government & there's nothing that gives authority to any government officer to change it. As a Contract established by We the People, there's nothing that says even we can tell them to make any change...We can tell them to change, but they have to ignore it & stick to the terms & conditions in the Constitution. Any deviation at all on their part is lawful grounds to remove them from Office.



Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Do any of you remember we are in the problems we are in right now because of promises of CHANGE?....

Well, that's the real key...Those promises of change were all lies. All they delivered on was "more of the same"...at an accelerated rate.
But the rest of your post was right on the money...The original principles that founded the Republic was to guarantee & uphold individual liberties & freedom of choice, but bringing to heel those who acted on enforcing their own ideals upon others. In essence, the original Republic established the concept of "Your freedom ends where my nose begins."


Originally posted by staple
I'm not filing a tax return this year. The Gov. can kis my ass while I load my pistol.


If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility.
Journals of the Continental Congress, 1:105-113

In short, if the beast screams for more food (money), even as it's mauling your flesh, feed it nothing. Without its food, it will collapse & die. All of the Rights under Law must have an enforcement mechanism, without which they mean nothing. The Right to retain money until Redress is secured is the primary peaceful method People have to reign in an unresponsive government. Correct procedures under the Due Process of Law have been enacted to do so...But you have to research them, because it's a safe bet that they won't openly reveal the procedures.

Our Rights are not passive. We have to strive to preserve & exercise them. Just as the flesh grows stronger with exercise, our Rights are the same...As the flesh atrophies without exercise, are Rights are the same.

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posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:38 AM
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I think this say it all.

"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. The they came for the trade unionist, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me."



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by Hemisphere
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Did anyone need the announcement? Look at the news. Just today "Prince Charming" pledged billions more in Copenhagen. He should just stay the hell there.


Shouldn't that be "King Charming?"




posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Sounded to me that you thought the goal was to cripple the whole thing to instill, "socialism/elite intervention" I have heard this theory on here a few times...

I don't buy that, I think the goal was to make some extra $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s, pure and simple - Not change the primary scheme, which is work em up -


Yeah. Make some extra money and at the same systematically third worldize the West to 'stabilize' (lower) wages which means more money for them.




posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by staple
I'm not filing a tax return this year. The Gov. can kis my ass while I load my pistol.


Why would anyone file this year? 3.5 billion owed by the very same A$$ wipes that want and spend your money.

When the folks on the "We the People" payroll that work for us, pay their taxes, then maybe we should take serious of paying ours.


How hard would it be just to take it from their checks anyway?



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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Um, first of all, a Republic is a form of Democracy. Second, the U.S. isn't exactly a republic either. We aren't ran by a legislature and don't have a PM, elected by a legislature, but a President elected by the states.

Democracy is the worst form of government, until you consider all others, which are far worse.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Actually things were going pretty good in the middle ninteies up until around 1997 when the stock market went crazy, due to the crooked set of laws put into place by the repubs who took over congress and made embezzlement a standard business practice. You are still better off living in the U.S. than in any other country.

After the horrible job of the GW admin in running the U.S. government, it will take awhile for things to get back to were they very well could be if the U.S. government was ran competently.

It won't be at least for another year to see if the Obama admin succeeds in turning our governments performance around.

Clinton got government to straighten up and fly right, maybe Obama can do the same.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

It won't be at least for another year to see if the Obama admin succeeds in turning our governments performance around.


Turn around "governments performance"?



Within a year, if they have their way they will grow this government beyond anything seen before, they will literally destroy our capitalist free market system through regulatory reforms that will give government control over nearly all aspects of finance and the economy... They will break down what was the greatest nation on the planet so it can be more easily absorbed into the "global community" ... Social reforms and forms of socialism along with a stifled US economy will create a new level of dependence on our government that will leave people with only dreams of an unattainable American dream. Freedom and Liberty will become a fond faded memory.

They have already made the turn my friend, and don't have far to go now.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
this is the same lunatic that claims to have seen a UFO....

come on a silent triangle shaped craft....who's ever heard of such a thing. This guys makes up a lot of ish....



that's immature of you, liquidsmoke. Kucinish is actually making an interesting, although disturbing analysis of how the working class has been losing its war for keeping the country in its hands, and you,re dishing him for having admitted the existence of UFOs... talk about "attacking the messenger", here, in very childish ways.

And btw UFOs DO exist. But whatever they are, the phenomenon has little to do -or nothing at all- with class warfare in North America...



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish

Originally posted by Animal
I think it is long past time we took our nation back.


Too late!

In the weeks and months ahead this administration and congress through pending legislation that when passed will forever change this county in ways that will be irreversible. The "reforms" and agenda should be painfully clear by now... It is a globalist agenda that is the hidden priority behind it all.

USA will redistribute its wealth through new revenues raised from cap and trade legislation... Redistribution of wealth which will be ultimately taken from Americans and given to "developing nations" developing nations which are struggling with "climate change"

This whole plan is using the vehicle of climate change backed up by fraudulent science to defraud the American taxpayers, and all but destroy the US industrial complex to give hundreds of billions of dollars to those developing nations.

Finally they get to kill the great capitalist system and bring down the almighty USA, and force those fat greedy Americans to live like the rest of the world.

I'm quite sure that these nations under the governance climate control will provide, will ultimately have consensus and agreement that the US constitution itself is a threat to humanity and must be eliminated by international agreement and binding decree.

Welcome ALL, to what is next.

NWO





It would be hard to disagree with you Walks.
What I might add and this is just from my readings here on ATS and related materials is that our constitution was undermined at the outset of the nation by the founding fathers themselves. Our constitution does not guarantee what we think and that is slowly being revealed. Look at the other legislation currently on the table such as "water rights" and it becomes clearer. Also, I encourage everyone to read the numerous threads here regarding the courts, your rights, IRS laws and see what we're really up against. What we think was our foundation of freedom was built on shifting sands.

The roots of this tyranny were planted long before we were born. This is what makes it hard for some to wrap their heads around this. Those that conspired had egos and imaginations that exceeded their lifetimes. What they knew was that they would "live forever" in some form. Most though only in their being remembered as being ahead of their time, a "founding father" or an "enlightened thinker". They couldn't imagine that science would ever bring us to the brink of actually extending our lives.

That the possibility now exists for so many of us to live longer they are scrambling to squash that with substandard "health care" for all. They have no faith that the science that can extend our lives could provide the resources necessary to do so for millions let alone billions of us. Thus the "climate change" and health care issues, it's all entwined. You have noticed how our elected reps including the POTUS will not be sharing in this wonderful new "health care" program. They foolishly think they will be included among the elite that pull their strings. The shelf-life of these elected criminals will not greatly exceed our own.




You know, I would be happy to abide by the same benefit package.... I will just be honest with you -- I'm the President of the United States so I've got a doctor following me every minute. Which is why I say this is not about me. I've got the best health care in the world. I'm trying to make sure that everybody has good health care -- and they don't right now. - President Barrack Obama


To be blunt, you "would be happy" my sweet arse. If you "would be happy" you would sign on like a good socialist. You are not above the fray Mr. President, you will see that eventually to your dismay. We would ask Castro's comrades from the Cuban revolution for their insight on this but they were mostly unavailable for comment starting in the early 60's.



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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that's immature of you, liquidsmoke. Kucinish is actually making an interesting, although disturbing analysis of how the working class has been losing its war for keeping the country in its hands, and you,re dishing him for having admitted the existence of UFOs... talk about "attacking the messenger", here, in very childish ways.

And btw UFOs DO exist. But whatever they are, the phenomenon has little to do -or nothing at all- with class warfare in North America...





Yeah, but did you see my follow up post? SOLID GOLD!!! BA BAM!!!



posted on Dec, 19 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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I totally agree with you, I cannot wait for the day when people are so fed up they stand up and finally declare no more! Who are these guys that they deserve such vast amounts of money for doing what, sitting at the head of a really nice table? I have a really nice table in my house, and im not getting millions!



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