reply to post by Nola213
The majority of your post is chock full of the same tired old recycled claims that pop up on the CT websites...same old, same old.
The veracity of this 'Mike Bellone' character is the point, here. He has no credibility. Former Gov. Ventura, now, after putting his foot in it,
even less. Jesse likely has gotten swept up and stimulated by the same foolish CT websites that so many others have...Bellone, though? His 15
minutes of fame expired some years ago, and he wants a renewal.
First, as pointed out in the OTHER ATS thread on this topic, IE, 'Was American 11 hijacked before takeoff?" the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'!
As mentioned, the man had NO actual sources to be privy to such a claim, and in any event, from my experience and understanding of the workings of the
airline industry there is absolutely no way that scenario of a "hijack before takeoff" would ever occur. It is ludicrous. There isn't a pilot in
the world, then, or now, that would have acceded to such a situation.
Now, for Nola again...this is on topic, since it was mentioned in the OP...the flight recorders. And, this comment:
Maybe they should start making these boxes out of passport paper, there's an idea.
That (failed) attempt at humor, or derision, appears to be a reference to the fact that a passport was found, having been ejected from the chaos of
the crash of one of the jets into a Tower.
What is so hard for people to understand about the realities of the incredible, odd occurrences that are involved in these destructive events???
Only people that either spent their entire lives in a cave (no one here, obviously) or willfully wish to ignore other bizarre and strange things that
happen just about every time there is a violent accident seem to find it hard to understand how small, lightweight items can survive even the
intentional plane crashes seen on 9/11.
Hint: There were OTHER things that survived too...personal effects of passengers and crew...such as an ATM card, for example. Lightweight, paper or
plastic, some fragmented, some virtually unscathed. It happens!!!
Seat cushions. There's another example! How many people, looking back on just about EVERY airplane crash on record, haven't seen at least one seat
cushion in the aftermath? Why do you think a seat cushion, a few square feet in area, and three inches thick, could come out of an accident intact,
but a small passport or credit card can't???
Whatever, small, light weight. Not everything, of course, will survive, but out of all the little bits that are on board, pure chance dictates that
The Recorders, on the other hand, are large-ish, heavy and dense.
Think of a breadbox...toaster oven...small microwave, etc, to get a feel for size.
Painted bright orange, with white stripes and lettering. This Bellone character said, at first, 'yellow with black' stripes...but changed his tune
once he realized (probably Googled them) what they really look like...when they are NORMAL, undamaged, unburnt, etc.
Really, anyone who just accepts a CT website's claims (or any of those who parrot their nonsense) at face value without doing more research is
The general "feeling" among the laypeople is that the SSFDR and CVR are virtually indestructible. they are not. They ARE designed to withstand a
great deal of impact force (you can look it up, but few do...it's published as 3,400 Gs minimum...that's a lot). They have to survive fire,
although no time limit is specified. They have to survive immersion in water.
There is no requirement to survive being crushed under the weight of 500,000 tons of building debris. AFTER being subjected for nearly an hour to an
intense fire. Does anyone still think that the orange paint and white stripes would still be there, after being in a hot fire for that long?
Does anyone understand the energies involved in the collapse of the buildings? Remember how high the impacts occurred. Think back to your High
School physics. Key words to jog memory: Potential Energy. (Stored energy due to gravity) People think, "Oh, but they were in titanium casings!"
Titanium is, contrary to popular belief, NOT some super-strong metal. It is valued for its strength-to-weight ratio (better than aluminum alloys)
combined with its heat tolerance. STEEL is still much, much stronger.
The recorders could
have been built like small safes, with walls inches thick, etc. BUT, that isn't practical, in an airplane, where
weight is always a concern. They are designed as a compromise, a trade off between the required function, and any weight penalty...plus the cost of
material that goes into building them.
The recorders were not likely to survive in the WTC crashes. Of course, as always, there was a chance that some weird thing could have happened,
being protected by other larger masses of debris, as the collapse occurred...(just as some surviving people were sheltered, and crawled out or were
discovered buried, but alive, in the wreckage).
But, none of the four devices were that 'lucky'.