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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

When was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed found guilty the "american way"?, i.e fair open process with rules of evidence and the ability to confront his accusers all under the premise he is innocent until proven otherwise.

Oh yeah, he hasn't... and the crimes of 9/11 remain unsolved.


Don't let me stop you from frothing at the mouth.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is receiving a trial in the US. His involvement has been determined by far more than his testimony. And what he has said has been corroborated by documents, recordings, testimony from a dozen countries.

In fact 9/11 was nor that much of a stretch for Khalid. He had worked on what ended up being a dry run for 9/1, Operation Bojinka in the 90s under the auspices of bin Laden and al Qaida. The plan in progress was a massive wave of bombs planted on overseas flights. Targeted were the
Pope and thousands of ordinary travellers.

As the operation was busted by the Philippines police force - you'll have trouble somehow blaming the US/CIA/Israel for this one.



www.historycommons.org...

9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed lives in the Philippines for a year, planning Operation Bojinka until the plot is exposed in January 1995 and he has to flee. Police later say he lives a very expensive and non-religious lifestyle. He goes to karaoke bars and go-go clubs, dates go-go dancers, stays in four-star hotels, and takes scuba diving lessons. Once he rents a helicopter just to fly it past the window of a girlfriend’s office in an attempt to impress her. This appears to be a pattern; for instance, he has a big drinking party in 1998. [Los Angeles Times, 6/24/2002]

Officials believe his obvious access to large sums of money indicate that some larger network is backing him by this time. [Los Angeles Times, 6/6/2002]

One of the participants in Bojinka is a Pakistani businessman with alleged ties to the ISI and the drug trade. This Pakistani is said to use counterfeit US currency to help fund the Bojinka plot (see September 18-November 14, 1994). It has been suggested that KSM, a Pakistani, is able “to operate as he please[s] in Pakistan” during the 1990s [Los Angeles Times, 6/24/2002] , and he is linked to the Pakistani ISI by 1993.

His hedonistic time in the Philippines resembles reports of hijackers Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi in the Philippines in 1998-2000. KSM returns to the Philippines occasionally, and he is even spotted there after 9/11.


June 1994: Front Company for Bojinka Plot Formed; Ties Plot to Al-Qaeda

A young Indonesian nicknamed Hambali forms a front company that ties al-Qaeda figures to the Bojinka plot, an early version of the 9/11 plot.




posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Im sorry but what???

I state facts, and im guessin you are from the USA..

fact one: the FED is a private bank setup by " in part" the british

fact two: Money is a way to controll you and has been for a very long tme just like god

Fact 3: If you think the usa is some how going to embark on a missions to rid iran "via proxy" using isreal then you stupid

its about controll and power

always has always will be.

and right now isreal and the usa and other have NO say in this matter

because CHINA owns MORE of your own county than YOU DO

think im kidding?

as i said russia and china if they want can SNAP the USD ..

this is not the wild west my friend and the armies of the word dont mean anything,

" I care not who controlls the goverment, i just want the power to controll its money"

war peace? nah eff that give me CONTROLL over the idiots who buy the guns

100% profit



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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They can practice their religios cluture, they can even have own hospitals, they are even involved in Iran's political life, give me a break. It has nothing to do with Jews and has to do with Israel.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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thank you





just going to put some stuff here incase a mod thinks im doing a one lineer!!!

booooooooyaaaa

lol still ..you are right and star for "being aware"..

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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Your article is bias and filled with propaganda and lies.

Your atricle

www.nytimes.com...

RISING REPRESSION SWELLS THE FLOW OF JEWISH EMIGRATION FROM IRAN

THE NEW YORK TIMES Foreign Desk

November 17, 1986

"Persecution of Jews in Iran has reached such intensity that hundreds of them have joined a much larger exodus of Moslem Iranians fleeing the country, according to refugee officials here.

While Jews have been leaving Iran since the popular upheaval that overthrew Shah Mohammed Riza Pahlevi in early 1979 ..."



Now from a jewish site regarding articles in NY times.



www.jewishjournal.com...



Why the New York Times editors continue to publish the ridiculous lies and rants of their opinion columnist Roger Cohen is beyond my comprehension. Last weekend his shameful opinion article tried paint a rosey picture of the lives of some 20,000 Jews who still live in Iran. Cohen failed to recognize that the Jews he spoke to in Iran are living under duress and could not give him a fair assessment of their lives in Iran. Instead he fell for their lies which were directly dictated to them by the Iranian government’s well developed propaganda machine. Now this blog, other journalists in the U.S. and other publications criticized Cohen for being naive about the Iranian regime and his foolishness notions of the regime being “peaceful” but he’s again spreading untruths about the Iranian government in his latest piece this week in the New York Times.


All one has to do to find the truth is research.
It turns out that there are opinions, contradictions and that the NY times is
dual in nature.

Who would one trust , the jews living there or some news agency that is contradictory in articles.




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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
They can practice their religios cluture, they can even have own hospitals, they are even involved in Iran's political life, give me a break. It has nothing to do with Jews and has to do with Israel.


Now that the Jews have abandoned Iran, the country uses the few remaining ones for PR purposes. Sort of like Americans and their Indian reserves.

Still we have seen the Ayatollahs quietly funding anti-Jewish attacks as far off as Buenos Aires in 1994.

Hatred of Jews goes back before the pact with the Nazis to work towards elimination of Jews in the region. Notably before there was an Israel to blame.

Fundamental Islamic whack job Jew hating has gone through a massive revival in Iran with the Presidency of Mahmoud A who hopes to hasten the return of the 12th Imam by getting rid of this pesky Jews in the neighbourhood.

Current popular scholarly opinions:


en.wikipedia.org...

Hossein Noori Hamedani advocates fighting the Jews in order to prepare the ground and to hasten the advent of the Hidden Imam, the Messiah according to Shiite belief.

Nasser Pourpirar believes that a significant portion of Iranian history are baseless fabrications by Jewish orientalists and Zionists. The whole existence of Pre-Islamic Iran is no more than a Jewish conspiracy and the most important key for analyzing today’s world events is the analysis of ancient "Jewish genocide of Purim."

Another neoconservative theorist, Mohammad Ali Ramin believes that contemporary western history (e.g. Holocaust) are all fabrications by Jews. He also claimed that Adolf Hitler was a Jew himself.

M.A. Ramin, Hassan Abbasi, Abbas Salimi Namin, Hasan Bolkhari and others have been giving speeches about Jewish conspiracy theory, Iranian and western history intensively all over the country since the establishment of Ahmadinejad government in 2005.





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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael


Hatred of Jews goes back before the pact with the Nazis to work towards elimination of Jews in the region. Notably before there was an Israel to blame.



Where do you get this tripe .

The only people being eliminated in this region , are the Palestines.

And you want us to feel sorry for Israel ??



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:41 AM
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Now that the Jews have abandoned Iran, the country uses the few remaining ones for PR purposes. Sort of like Americans and their Indian reserves.

Still we have seen the Ayatollahs quietly funding anti-Jewish attacks as far off as Buenos Aires in 1994.

You can kid your self or you can accept the fact that the Jewish minority living outside of Israel in Iran is the biggest jewish minority in the mid east outside Israel.



Hatred of Jews goes back before the pact with the Nazis to work towards elimination of Jews in the region. Notably before there was an Israel to blame.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with our debate, you are playing the holocaust card in a discusion where we are talking about something else.



Fundamental Islamic whack job Jew hating has gone through a massive revival in Iran with the Presidency of Mahmoud A who hopes to hasten the return of the 12th Imam by getting rid of this pesky Jews in the neighbourhood.


Yes I'm sure that is why there are jews in Iran's parlament, and sinagoguges in Iran because they want to get rid of the jews.


en.wikipedia.org...

Kenisa-ye Bozorg (Mirakhor's kenisa) (Isfahan)
Abdollah Zadeh Synagogue (Tehran)
Abrishami Synagogue (Tehran)
Bagh Saba Synagogue (Tehran)
Del Rahim Synagogue (Shiraz)
Ettefagh Synagogue (Tehran)
Ettehad Synagogue (Tehran)
Haim Synagogue (Tehran)
Fakhrabad Synagogue (Tehran)
Kenisa-ye Bozorg (Hamadan)
Kenisa-ye Bozorg (Sanandaj)
Kenisa-ye Bozorg (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Kamal (Yazd)
Kenisa-ye Keter David (Isfahan)
Kenisa-ye Kohanim (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Molla (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Molla Mishi (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Molla Owram (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Molla Rabbi (Isfahan)
Kenisa-ye Rabbizadeh (Shiraz)
Kenisa-ye Sang-bast (Isfahan)
Kenisa-ye Shokr (Shiraz)
Khorassaniha Synagogue (Shiraz)
Kohan Synagogue (Tehran)
Kourosh Synagogue (Tehran)
Lubian Synagogue (Tehran)
Mahariv Synagogue (Tehran)
Mullah Jacob Synagogue (Isfahan)
Mullah Neissan Synagogue (Isfahan)
Nosrat Synagogue (Tehran)
Rafi Nia Synagogue (Tehran)
Rah-e Danesh Synagogue (Tehran)
Synagogue of Gisha (Tehran)
Tafian (Hakim)(pesyan) Synagogue (Tehran)
Yusef Abad Synagogue (Tehran)
Zargarian Synagogue (Tehran)


So many of them, how could the evil Iranian goverment let the Jews practice their religion and in so many locations is beyond me if I take your statement seriosly.

They even have jewish restaurants.



What is even more shocking.


themoderatevoice.com...

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad’s birthplace, and the name derives from “weaver of the Sabour”, the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran’s Ministry of the Interior.

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad’s track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Ali Nourizadeh, of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies, said: “This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad’s background explains a lot about him.

“Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.

“By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections. He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society.”

A London-based expert on Iranian Jewry said that “jian” ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews.

“He has changed his name for religious reasons, or at least his parents had,” said the Iranian-born Jew living in London. “Sabourjian is well known Jewish name in Iran.”


It's just propaganda, I could end up searching the internet and finding jewish hospitals, jewish shops, open comunities.

None of this things would be possible if what you are saying was ture.

It's for sure that Israel is bothering them and not the notion of the jew, alot of Iranians may have jewish roots, jewish culture is imprinted in Iran, it's part of Iran. Iranians are not even arabs, there is no hate regarding the jews from an Iranian perspective, it's all a fabrication.

It's make believe.



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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You make it sound like Iran acts alone and disobeys Islamic law. And I highly doubt that.
Amadmaninjihad even spoke at Columbia and said there are no homosexuals in Iran. Did you understand what that meant? Do you understand the meaning of homosecuality in Islam?



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
They can practice their religios cluture, they can even have own hospitals, they are even involved in Iran's political life, give me a break. It has nothing to do with Jews and has to do with Israel.

Actually this isn't true. They pay a jizya and they cannot repair or build buildings without government approval which isn't equal to muslim ability to do the same thing. So.... some research would probably be a good idea.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
You can kid your self or you can accept the fact that the Jewish minority living outside of Israel in Iran is the biggest jewish minority in the mid east outside Israel.

Yes I'm sure that is why there are jews in Iran's parlament, and sinagoguges in Iran because they want to get rid of the jews.


So many of them, how could the evil Iranian goverment let the Jews practice their religion and in so many locations is beyond me if I take your statement seriosly.

They even have jewish restaurants.

It's just propaganda, I could end up searching the internet and finding jewish hospitals, jewish shops, open comunities.

None of this things would be possible if what you are saying was ture.

It's for sure that Israel is bothering them and not the notion of the jew, alot of Iranians may have jewish roots, jewish culture is imprinted in Iran, it's part of Iran. Iranians are not even arabs, there is no hate regarding the jews from an Iranian perspective, it's all a fabrication.

It's make believe.



This is not about Persian culture, Tradition, history, the Iranian people.

The current Islamic Regime has a spelled out intent to spread it's Revolution throughout the Middle East and beyond. They make it clear the elimination of Israel is top item on the agenda.

Iran has about the largest population in the Middle East. Jews were once 1% of the demographic - 1 in 100. Now they're 1 in 3000. They cannot hold rank in the military, their own Jewish schools have to have a Muslim headmaster, and a long list of other dhimmitude reductions to second class citizenry. A tiny minority, tolerated so as not to raise international rancor.

The Islamic Revolution has not benefitted Iran or it's people. It is falling apart. Read this recent article to get a better picture:


www.dailystar.com.lb...

Iran's Islamic Regime is no Model to Follow

Raja Kamal

In 1979, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, was overthrown and replaced by an Islamic Republic basing much of its governance practices on its interpretation of Islam. Today, 30 years later, the answer to a basic question is overdue: Did the theocracy deliver a better life for the Iranian people? The answer is a resounding no. Iran is far worse off today – an argument supported by the continuing political unrest and economic contraction associated in many ways with the country’s ongoing brain drain.

According to the International Monetary Fund, of 91 countries tracked according to the displacement of their elite citizens (those with advanced education and technical know-how), Iran ranks first. It is estimated that 250,000 Iranian engineers and physicians currently reside in the United States. The American government estimates that 70 percent of Iranian immigrants in the US have a college degree. In fact, the value of Iranian assets transferred to the US and Europe in the form of specialized human resources is estimated at well over $10 billion. It is believed that the number of Iranians scattered around the world to be between two and seven million people. IMF estimates the wealth of Iranians living abroad at some $400 billion. Nor is there any indication that the brain drain is slowing down.

The regime in Tehran is showing signs of both political and economic fatigue.
According to Iranian government sources, the unemployment rate in the Islamic Republic is 12.5 percent. However, international economists believe the real rate of unemployment to be twice as large. Politically, the recent June presidential election brought to light the deep dissatisfaction of the Iranian population, which was expressed in the streets of Tehran. Even if the current regime survives, it is wounded and appears to be significantly weaker. If the Islamic Republic is a product introduced in 1979, its shelf-life is expiring. Iran’s revolution has depleted the human and natural resources of the nation.

What transpired in Iran in the last three decades must be viewed as a warning to Arabs tempted to see Islam as the political solution to their problems of governance.

Many in the Arab world, moved by the rise of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to power in 1979, came to regard Islam as the answer, and solution, to their state of decline. Since Arab secular nationalist regimes were unable to bring political stability and economic prosperity to a region falling behind – proponents of this view believed – some sort of Islamic governance might achieve both. Politically and militarily, secular Arab leaders failed to defeat Israel. Economically they failed to invigorate and launch an economic renaissance that would employ their increasingly younger populations.

Political Islam, which Iran’s revolution helped push forward and empower regionally, has gained both in the Middle East and beyond. On most Arab streets, the veil has become the custom rather than the exception. Bearded men – a signal of Islamic observance – are increasingly frequent. Islamic political parties have gained influence throughout the Arab world. The Muslim Brotherhood has become more vocal in Egypt; Jordan, Morocco, and Algeria, among others, have also seen an increase in Islamic organizations and political movements. In Lebanon, Hizbullah has become a powerful political movement. In Gaza, Hamas has forcibly taken over control of the territory – in a Palestinian society hitherto known for the strength of its secular impulses.

The failure of the Iranian regime to provide improvements to its own people should be an eye-opener to those Arabs hoping to emulate the Iranian model. The establishment of Islamic regimes in other nations may well prove as devastating as Iran’s experience. Substantial brain drains will provoke further economic contractions.




posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by GovtFlu

When was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed found guilty the "american way"?, i.e fair open process with rules of evidence and the ability to confront his accusers all under the premise he is innocent until proven otherwise.

Oh yeah, he hasn't... and the crimes of 9/11 remain unsolved.


Don't let me stop you from frothing at the mouth.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is receiving a trial in the US. His involvement has been determined by far more than his testimony. And what he has said has been corroborated by documents, recordings, testimony from a dozen countries.

((snip))


Until his involvement is determined in a court of law, nothing has been determined re: his guilt in this case. He might be rude boy who hates our govt, that doesn't make him guilty of 9/11.

And thanks to the rules of evidence most of this information you think is fact wont see the inside of a court room.. statements obtained by torture and news reports that cant be substantiated mean nothing in court.

ALL evidence must be shown to be relevant, material, and competent... propaganda and news links don't count.

As a matter of fact the entire case should be thrown out due to obscene official misconduct... public servants violated their oath to uphold the law. Our system of law does not allow the govt to coerce evidence by torture.. or subject innocent people to cruel & unusual punishment.

Sadly I suspect this will be a n korean / shah of iran / soviet union style kangaroo court show trial,... yet another national embarrassment by the bushbama flock...his guilt is pre-determined and he will be summarily fried.. it's the new banana republic american way coming to a town near you... get used to it comrade.

Amazing how a little propaganda has many US citizens ready to abandon our rules of law and scream "guilty" before any semblance of a fair & open process... no wonder this nation is circling the frik'n drain.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

Until his involvement is determined in a court of law, nothing has been determined re: his guilt in this case. He might be rude boy who hates our govt, that doesn't make him guilty of 9/11.

And thanks to the rules of evidence most of this information you think is fact wont see the inside of a court room.. statements obtained by torture and news reports that cant be substantiated mean nothing in court.

ALL evidence must be shown to be relevant, material, and competent... propaganda and news links don't count.

As a matter of fact the entire case should be thrown out due to obscene official misconduct... public servants violated their oath to uphold the law. Our system of law does not allow the govt to coerce evidence by torture.. or subject innocent people to cruel & unusual punishment.

Sadly I suspect this will be a n korean / shah of iran / soviet union style kangaroo court show trial,... yet another national embarrassment by the bushbama flock...his guilt is pre-determined and he will be summarily fried.. it's the new banana republic american way coming to a town near you... get used to it comrade.


You really don't get it. If the US wanted to kangaroo court Khalid S M they could have kept it military level and convicted him ages ago.

As to his being guilty of planning and co-ordinating 9/11. Well, he says he is. People who have worked with hims say he is. A warehouse full of evidence including documentation, recordings, testimonies, indicate he is.
Most of the incriminating material comes from Muslim world sources, the Philippines, etc.

The guy has been working on large scale terrorist operations for at least 15 years. He proudly takes credit. 9/11 was his best effort after his plan to kill the Pope and blow up planes over the Pacific, Operation Bojinka, was busted in Manilla.

Are you going to argue he's a humble video game designer whose been set up?

There are terrorists in the world. They kill people. Not everything that has ever happened in the history of humanity that you don't like to know about is some big bad govt plot.



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
9/11 was his best effort after his plan to kill the Pope and blow up planes over the Pacific, Operation Bojinka, was busted in Manilla.


Please keep the 9/11 digression to the appropriate forum:

9/11 Conspiracies Disuccussion

However, smoke and mirrors is an anonymous official tactic.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Until his involvement is determined in a court of law, nothing has been determined re: his guilt in this case. He might be rude boy who hates our govt, that doesn't make him guilty of 9/11.

And thanks to the rules of evidence most of this information you think is fact wont see the inside of a court room.. statements obtained by torture and news reports that cant be substantiated mean nothing in court.

ALL evidence must be shown to be relevant, material, and competent... propaganda and news links don't count.

As a matter of fact the entire case should be thrown out due to obscene official misconduct... public servants violated their oath to uphold the law. Our system of law does not allow the govt to coerce evidence by torture.. or subject innocent people to cruel & unusual punishment.

Sadly I suspect this will be a n korean / shah of iran / soviet union style kangaroo court show trial,... yet another national embarrassment by the bushbama flock...his guilt is pre-determined and he will be summarily fried.. it's the new banana republic american way coming to a town near you... get used to it comrade.


You really don't get it. If the US wanted to kangaroo court Khalid S M they could have kept it military level and convicted him ages ago.

As to his being guilty of planning and co-ordinating 9/11. Well, he says he is. People who have worked with hims say he is. A warehouse full of evidence including documentation, recordings, testimonies, indicate he is.
Most of the incriminating material comes from Muslim world sources, the Philippines, etc.

The guy has been working on large scale terrorist operations for at least 15 years. He proudly takes credit. 9/11 was his best effort after his plan to kill the Pope and blow up planes over the Pacific, Operation Bojinka, was busted in Manilla.

Are you going to argue he's a humble video game designer whose been set up?

There are terrorists in the world. They kill people. Not everything that has ever happened in the history of humanity that you don't like to know about is some big bad govt plot.



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Until the "warehouse full of evidence" is deemed relevant, material, and competent by the court.. it does not exist. Period. In the court of public opinion anything goes... a court of law has complex rules. The people who claim KSM is guilty will need to survive cross examination.

And BTW he is not a "terrorist" just because the govt, "people" or MSM say so, has he been found guilty of "terrorism" in a fair open legal process? nope... govt accusations are proof of nothing, especially a govt that lies.

Evidence obtained by unlawful means is inadmissible... torture is unlawful, ergo anything KSM said as a result of one single incident of torture should not be presented to the jury. Period. Allowing this would open the door for the local police to torture a confession out of you... justified because they read you were a bad guy who deserved it.

Summary of the Rules of Evidence
library.findlaw.com...

If CIA goons illegally tortured a suspect at least 183 times.. the suspect could admit to being responsible for cancer, the boogie-man and killing jesus... thankfully a US court wouldn't allow such heinous govt behavior to be admitted as evidence against the suspect.. if anything it will be exculpatory....used to show official misconduct. Which is the real reason behind DC mafia politicians whining about having trails on US soil.. they know the govts case will be blown to bits by competent counsel in a fair open process.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
If CIA goons illegally tortured a suspect at least 183 times.. the suspect could admit to being responsible for cancer, the boogie-man and killing jesus... thankfully a US court wouldn't allow such heinous govt behavior to be admitted as evidence against the suspect.. if anything it will be exculpatory....used to show official misconduct. Which is the real reason behind DC mafia politicians whining about having trails on US soil.. they know the govts case will be blown to bits by competent counsel in a fair open process.


You're talking about Khalid Sheik Mohammed. You ignore the fact that he was held by the US military and could have been tried, found guilty, and exceuted by now if they wanted to.

The whole point of this discussion which you miss, is that he is instead being tried in a proper courtroom.

You also miss the point that as early as 1995 in the Philippines that he was planning to plant bombs on 12 airliners. A lucky break because of a fire in the apartment the bombs were being made the police caught onto the plot.

So for a decade Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has been actively planning and co-ordinating attacks on large numbers of innocent people. The Evil Evil CIA could have offed him at a dozen junctures.

Instead he's being brought to trial. But that's not good enough.

Should they pin a medal on him?



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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You miss the fact that they have kept him and other senior figures at GITMO to run a CIA Terrorist Training School.

It's plain and simple and clear as day.

Young combatants are taken off the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq and are shipped to GITMO and then housed with and mentored by these senior leaders.

They are furnished with additional points of contact and then released back into the war on terror hot zones to keep the military industrial complex, security industrial complex and war on terror itself in business.

Even doing this the Western Governments still have to practically manufacture every terrorist incident.

They are so desperate now they are taking Nigerian heroin smugglers and manufacturing them into terrorists.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They are so desperate now they are taking Nigerian heroin smugglers and manufacturing them into terrorists.


A belated Merry Christmas Doktor Proto,

Not in an argumentative mood. Broth, Booze, Broads mode this week.

There are real live bonafide terrorists. They say so with pride. I'll take their word for it over yours.

Always had a soft spot for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, even in his new trancendent Imam mode. A true master of his trade.

More concerned now with this Nigerian banker's son not following in the fine family tradition.

Instead of some tacky hydrogen peroxide bomb over Detroit where more destruction might just be a blessing in disguise, he should be creatively composing appealing mass mailing letters promising millions from frozen Nigerian bank accounts in exchange for transaction fees.

Nigeria has always been at the forefront of Internet scamming. If they don't watch out some other enterprising nation will undercut them or offer better services. Even when you're Numero Uno, you can't rest on your laurels. You have to always be one step ahead of the competition.



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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They have also been at the forefront of the International Heroin Smuggling Trade out of Lagos of the Golden Triangle's output of heroin.

This was obviously a mule who for some reason felt compelled to try to eliminate his contraband in flight.

It all fits. The pop passgengers heard were the Heroin Baloons being burst, the man's dazed and oblivious state while trying to burn the stash shows intoxication, finally the fact that it did not blow up shows it was only combustible and not smokable.

Of course his family in Nigeria and he would both be killed for showing up in America without the heroin so I imagine he and Dad back home are happy to play the terrorist story to the hilt for Federal Protection.

More phoney nonsense from the folks in Washington.

Thanks for wishing me Merry Christmas a day late, no doubt you are a dollar short too?

Ho, ho, ho, ba humbug!



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They have also been at the forefront of the International Heroin Smuggling Trade out of Lagos of the Golden Triangle's output of heroin.

This was obviously a mule who for some reason felt compelled to try to eliminate his contraband in flight.

It all fits. The pop passgengers heard were the Heroin Baloons being burst, the man's dazed and oblivious state while trying to burn the stash shows intoxication, finally the fact that it did not blow up shows it was only combustible and not smokable.

Of course his family in Nigeria and he would both be killed for showing up in America without the heroin so I imagine he and Dad back home are happy to play the terrorist story to the hilt for Federal Protection.

More phoney nonsense from the folks in Washington.

Thanks for wishing me Merry Christmas a day late, no doubt you are a dollar short too


You read way too much fiction Proty. Especially the Kookie Konspiracy metafiction. Everything that happens automatically has some bizarre back story. But the real world isn't a bad movie. Sometimes some of the 6.5 Billion people on Planet Earth do nasty things that aren't part of a USA/CIA/Mossad mega plot.

And for starters with the guy on the plane anyone who wants to destroy something incriminating does it in the washroom - not his lap.

It could very well be a dopey rich kid trying to leave something onboard for the next flight. Friends in the pharmacy chain business tell me there's a lot of purchase going down with repeat buyers picking up material for drug trade and homemade bombs. Welcome to the new era of Do It Yourself.

Homemade bombs. Recipes on the Internet. The word was put out a few weeks ago for these amateur operations to do their dirty deeds by the end of the year. We've been seeing a rash of them.

But botched rush jobs, poor planning, low grade science. The direct funding for this stuff has dried up. The Saudis have been doing a serious rethink. Sponsored terrorism is biting them in the ass.

Today's story of 5 Muslim Americans in Pakistan sniffing around nuke storage locations is more on the cusp.

Better start composing your expose' of how it's really a USA/CIA/Mossad false flag op of some sort.








[edit on 26-12-2009 by mmiichael]



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