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Presidential Stats--Interesting--Wow! Obama 8%

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posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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When it comes to politics, there are only two places I like to get my info. One is Glenn Beck, the other is from chain emails. Therefore, I know that this is good info.



In fact, 7 of 9 appointees study identified as jobs-related have private sector experience. The study Gingrich cited, which was promoted by the American Enterprise Institute, was authored by Michael Cembalest, chief investment officer for J.P. Morgan Private Bank, who examined the private sector experience of "secretaries of State, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, Interior, Labor, Transportation, Energy, and Housing & Urban Development" for several administrations. After Fox News host Glenn Beck stated that "Under 10 percent of [Obama's] appointees have any experience in the private sector," PolitiFact.com called the claim "False," noting that Cembalest said he "discount[ed] the corporate experience of the three lawyers we identified -- Clinton, Vilsack and Locke -- and added that he awarded nothing for Donovan, Chu or Salazar, even though we found they had a fair amount private sector experience": In Obama's Cabinet, at least three of the nine posts that Cembalest and Beck cite -- a full one-third -- are occupied by appointees who, by our reading of their bios, had significant corporate or business experience. Shaun Donovan, Obama's secretary of Housing and Urban Development, served as managing director of Prudential Mortgage Capital Co., where he oversaw its investments in affordable housing loans. Energy Secretary Steven Chu headed the electronics research lab at one of America's storied corporate research-and-development facilities, AT&T Bell Laboratories, where his work won a Nobel Prize for physics. And Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, in addition to serving as Colorado attorney general and a U.S. senator, has been a partner in his family's farm for decades and, with his wife, owned and operated a Dairy Queen and radio stations in his home state of Colorado. Three other Obama appointees had legal experience in the private sector. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and Commerce Secretary Gary Locke spent part of their careers working as lawyers in private practice. Clinton and Vilsack worked as private-sector lawyers at the beginning of their careers, while Locke joined an international law firm, Davis Wright Tremaine LLP, after serving as governor of Washington state. At the firm, Locke "co-chaired the firm's China practice" and "helped U.S. companies break into international markets," according to his official biography. That sounds like real private sector experience to us. Finally, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner worked for Kissinger Associates, a consulting firm that advises international corporations on political and economic conditions overseas. The occupants of the two remaining Cabinet posts cited in the chart do not appear to have had significant private-sector experience: Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. Obama's Cabinet has even more private-sector experience if you go beyond the nine. Two of the Obama appointees could be considered entrepreneurs -- the very people Beck would "unleash." Vice President Joe Biden, officially a Cabinet member, founded his own law firm, Biden and Walsh, early in his career, and it still exists in a later incarnation, Monzack Mersky McLaughlin and Browder, P.A. (The future vice president also supplemented his income by managing properties, including a neighborhood swimming pool.) And Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag founded an economic consulting firm called Sebago Associates that was later bought out by a larger firm. It's also worth noting that if you examine a larger group of senior Obama administration appointees, you'll find that more than one in four have experience as business executives, according to a June study by National Journal. That compared with the 38 percent the magazine found eight years earlier at the start of George W. Bush's administration. That's at least three times higher than the level claimed by Beck. Author of study "acknowledged fault in missing Salazar's business background." PolitiFact noted that "Cembalest acknowledged fault in missing Salazar's business background, saying he would have given him a full point if he had it to do over again" and that he "said any effort to address the topic is heavily subjective, and he expressed regret that his work had been used for political ends, saying that it was not his intention to provide fodder for bloggers and talk show hosts." Chart accompanying study was circulated by conservative blogs. In a November 24 Forbes.com article about his study, Cembalest included a chart which compared the Obama administration's "Prior Private Sector Experience" to the appointees of presidents. After the chart was featured by Nick Schulz on the American Enterprise Institute's blog, it was picked up by numerous other prominent conservative blogs, including National Review Online's The Corner, The Washington Examiner's blog, Outside the Beltway, Big Government, Reason's Hit & Run, and the blog of House Republican Leader John Boehner. After posting Cembalest's graph, The Volokh Conspiracy "decided to take it down." Law professor Kenneth Anderson wrote in a December 2 update to a Volokh Conspiracy blog post: "After discussions with the person who created the chart, I've decided to take it down and the rest of my commentary as well. He tells me that he has had a chance to re-think the whole thing, and thinks it was a big mistake to try and quantify with a graph things -- in this case, what constitutes private sector experience -- that are inherently subjective."


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posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
So in other words almost all of them have been doing whatever the government has told them all of their lives. Sounds a little bit fishy.


It's called being a "professional politician". All they do is go from one political job to another and rape the US public of money.


yeah...right...unlike the private sector, right?...private heathcare, private banking, private oil, private military contractors....ethical people that would fight for the common man....give me a break!



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Just curious . . . how are they defining "previously worked in the private sector"? Do they mean immediately? Like from working on an assembly line to Department of the Transportation? Or do they mean ever?

What's more, isn't Obama getting hounded for having his various finance related positions filled with people from Wall Street? Now I believe probably more than the next guy that a whole lot of people involved in the bogus fictionalized world of "Finance" should be made to suffer as they watch their criminal enterprise dismantled before their very eyes, but still.

This stat seems like too much of an outlier, and I would love to see some of the definitions and methodology behind this study.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by kenochs
Like most things Beck reports this is a complete and total fabrication.

mediamatters.org...


It's true. Watching Glenn Beck makes you even more stupid (because you were obviously a bit stupid if you started watching that boo-hoo-ing shock jock in the first place).



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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I think it is fantastic to have such a prominent government with public employees as opposed to self interested private business leaders running the country only interested in stuffing their pockets at taxpayers expense.

Problems like Halliburton and Blackwater come from governments influenced by private interests.

Kudos to public employees who protect taxpayers from the life blood sucking private business leaders



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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Can we not have a master list of people that post threads with lies in their titles?

Maybe this place wouldn't be such a looney bin if some of the serial offenders were named and shamed.

The sad things is that some of the tin-foilers and faithers on ATS probably just read the title and assumed it to be true.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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This is a no win scenario...

If he had more private sector, then people would be saying he is in the pocket of industry and when the percent is lower then people say he must be Elietist (but isn't industry also Elietist?) and out of touch.

Its a double down



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Wow, don't you just hate it when your Obama bashing thread blows up in your face because you failed to do any research before posting!?! I mean, here you were, all set to spread lies and disinfo, straight from the mouth of Glen Beck. And of course, all the usual suspects come out to cheer you on with cries of "This administration has too many people in it who were never productive members of society," and "IF you don't count being a lawer as a private sector job,Obama's numbers would probably be far less than 8%," and "All they do is go from one political job to another and rape the US public of money."

And then, POW!!! Along, come the real ATS'ers with FACTS and RESEARCH, and the whole darn thing falls apart. Why lord, why???? Why can't we all just take Glen at his word and believe everything the MSM tells us. Then we could post it here as if it were true and no one would call us out on our BS.

Wait a sec. . . hold-the-phone...maybe that's why most of us are here on ATS.... to speak truth to power, and to fact check the MSM so that at least somebody somewhere gets it right!

Excellent job Kenochs.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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And then, POW!!! Along, come the real ATS'ers with FACTS and RESEARCH



That why this site needs a "digg down" or "redit down" for posts AND comments, ATS's system is outdated when a chain email from a moron gets headlined.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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Only 8% of Obama's staff has served in the public sector. I disagree that this is a bad thing.

It takes a certain attitude of service to be a government worker, and you don't necessarily find that in capitalist driven business. Maybe we need fewer capitalists feeding off government, serving their own interests, embued with a philosophy of greed and competition. That type of philosophy be great in the private sector, but does it serve the public good?

So I think that Obama is on the right track.

This is change.

You don't need to run a business to understand economics, service, morality. There must be a lot of people here on ATS, in civil service, who know what I am talking about, and are put off by the tone of this thread that their highly specialized knowledge and experience is somehow lacking.

Edit: Nope. I myself am the principle of my business. I don't work for the government, but have a lot of respect for government workers, thanks.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Axial Leader]



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by wtfhuh



And then, POW!!! Along, come the real ATS'ers with FACTS and RESEARCH



That why this site needs a "digg down" or "redit down" for posts AND comments, ATS's system is outdated when a chain email from a moron gets headlined.


Exactly.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by GeechQuestInfo
 


It actually is more 50/50. But currently we have only 8% who worked in the private sector. How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it? Idealism is fine and dandy if you have something or someone to inject a little common sense to the mix. I think a few more people from working class may help temper the ideas with reality.


Actually, this makes sense. You asked, "How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it?" The thing is there is no practical plan to create private sector jobs. The plan is to create Government jobs. Typical socialism dictates that: (Webster's Dictionary)

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Zero percent of the government Job market has been hit. 100 percent of the private sector has been hit. As of august, 110,00 Jobs have been created..... the catch...their state and local government positions. (Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government)

"Being a true conservative doesn't mean supporting the republican party, it means you want you less government in your life" -me



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
Wow, don't you just hate it when your Obama bashing thread blows up in your face because you failed to do any research before posting!?! I mean, here you were, all set to spread lies and disinfo, straight from the mouth of Glen Beck.


Your post made my day. It's amazing that google is so close, yet it seems so far sometimes.

Ah, I recall a time when the internet was for tech savvy nerds only. The masses weren't meant to have access to everything, otherwise everything gets debased.

I find that most folks are either fools or liars when it comes to politics and religion. They rarely say the same thing they would say if at the business end of a pistol.

Edit - I suck at spelling recently

[edit on 18-12-2009 by KrazyJethro]



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Akkadian

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by GeechQuestInfo
 


It actually is more 50/50. But currently we have only 8% who worked in the private sector. How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it? Idealism is fine and dandy if you have something or someone to inject a little common sense to the mix. I think a few more people from working class may help temper the ideas with reality.


Actually, this makes sense. You asked, "How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it?" The thing is there is no practical plan to create private sector jobs. The plan is to create Government jobs. Typical socialism dictates that: (Webster's Dictionary)

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Zero percent of the government Job market has been hit. 100 percent of the private sector has been hit. As of august, 110,00 Jobs have been created..... the catch...their state and local government positions. (Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government)

"Being a true conservative doesn't mean supporting the republican party, it means you want you less government in your life" -me


I'm pretty sure some of the jobs saved by bailing out the banks were not marxist banker jobs.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Axial Leader
Only 8% of Obama's staff has served in the public sector. I disagree that this is a bad thing.

It takes a certain attitude of service to be a government worker, and you don't necessarily find that in capitalist driven business.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Axial Leader]


..this may be a generalization but do you understand that the attitude is not a good thing. As a government employee there is no risk of loss. You can't be fired, only moved around. Until you become GG-13/GS-13 your not judged based on performance or accomplishment (hmmm sounds like the president.) Lastly their lazy. I have been on both sides, contractor and Government. There is no doubt in my mind that private sector experience is a necessity for an executive roll.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by seethelight

Originally posted by Akkadian

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by GeechQuestInfo
 


It actually is more 50/50. But currently we have only 8% who worked in the private sector. How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it? Idealism is fine and dandy if you have something or someone to inject a little common sense to the mix. I think a few more people from working class may help temper the ideas with reality.


Actually, this makes sense. You asked, "How can anyone not familiar with the private sector come up with a practical plan to create jobs for it?" The thing is there is no practical plan to create private sector jobs. The plan is to create Government jobs. Typical socialism dictates that: (Webster's Dictionary)

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Zero percent of the government Job market has been hit. 100 percent of the private sector has been hit. As of august, 110,00 Jobs have been created..... the catch...their state and local government positions. (Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government)

"Being a true conservative doesn't mean supporting the republican party, it means you want you less government in your life" -me


I'm pretty sure some of the jobs saved by bailing out the banks were not marxist banker jobs.


Can you elaborate because I am confused about your premise of the bailout and these so called "marxist bankers". Not being a smarta$$, I just don't know if you are being sarcastic or straight forward????



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Akkadian

Originally posted by Axial Leader
Only 8% of Obama's staff has served in the public sector. I disagree that this is a bad thing.

It takes a certain attitude of service to be a government worker, and you don't necessarily find that in capitalist driven business.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Axial Leader]


..this may be a generalization but do you understand that the attitude is not a good thing. As a government employee there is no risk of loss. You can't be fired, only moved around. Until you become GG-13/GS-13 your not judged based on performance or accomplishment (hmmm sounds like the president.) Lastly their lazy. I have been on both sides, contractor and Government. There is no doubt in my mind that private sector experience is a necessity for an executive roll.


GWB certainly showed us how jamming his cabinet full of private sector insiders helped America.

I really think that if you're judging Presidents by these numbers then you think Bush is a good President... and if you think that your brains are missing.



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Of course you think since I am against Obama and his socialist agenda that I am for Bush. You would be mistaken my friend. I believe Bush was a great president for the first four years. He kept us safe after 911, went into Afghanistan to find UBL, and then went into Iraq (two wars at one time without the draft is a no-no) which I didn't necessarily agree with at the time because I wanted to throttle the Taliban and UBL before we fixed what Papa Bush messed up. Anyway, We had intelligence from our REL Countries and our own intelligence that there was WMD's. We didn't find them, we removed a dictator, and can't leave until the country is stable. It is what it is. Lets not mention the flourishing economy. The last four years came and he couldn't get out of office fast enough. He push for this illegal immigration reform crap, signed a bail-out that helped coincide with Obama's nonsense plan, allowed these banks to run amok. I blame a lot of what were in by the American People. You should know what you can afford and know the difference between fixed and ARM.....

clowns....



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Akkadian


Of course you think since I am against Obama and his socialist agenda that I am for Bush. You would be mistaken my friend. I believe Bush was a great president....



posted on Dec, 18 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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This nonsense is about as stupid as it gets..both Republican and Democrat.

You people are being taken for a ride by both parties and you should know better.

You cannot borrow and borrow on the public credit and create more money than you have product..no matter what party is doing it and both Republicans and Democrats have been doing it for years and years now.
What you do in this process over the years is depreciate the purchasing power of the dollar to the point that against a weak dollar...can a buisness even bother turning out a product verses pick up the whole process and move to another country with cheaper labor. Cheaper labor is the only arena in which the private sector can gain any profit.

Government...state, local , and federal can force their revenue. It is called taxes.

They are both republican and democrat...giving you an inflation tax along with your regular taxes. Yes inflation is a tax....inflation or depreciation is work you do for which you get no goods or services ...same thing..same result as a tax.

You have to go to school and get educated to be so stupid you dont catch onto this fact. Translate that as being educated in front of a television/movie set. The MSM will never teach you this. I dont know if Glenn Beck as well has ever taught this simple fact to people who can think. If he has not taught this ..then Glenn Beck needs to be fired beause he is not looking out for you.

This continuing process of depreciation/inflation of the money supply against a weaker productive sector is being done by both democrats and republicans..no change here.

And you people are here arguing the placebo of who has more private sector people working in government.

None of this will make any difference if the Government is printing/borrowing moneys unlimited and not turning out any needed product to offset the borrowing.
Government...republican and democrat turns out no useful and needed product. The only product they turn out is more govenrment.

Once again..you have to be educated not to catch on to it.

What happens in this process..is that in the long run..you exist to serve government ..not the other way around. It matters not ..republican or democrat..you people are chasing placebos here.

Any jobs created in this way will not be long lasting jobs..in the private sector...they will only be in the government sector...and more of them will be created. This is exactly what is happening in England. More and more government jobs while stiffling the private sector under more and more red tape to justify more government.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 18-12-2009 by orangetom1999]



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