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The Frightening Rise Of Christian Persecution

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posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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justamomma:

Yes, let us be honest here.......Paul is not the founder of MY faith.....Christ is the one and only reason for TRUE CHRISTIANITY. We are called followers of Christ, in case you missed that.

If you dislike Christians so much......stay away from these type of threads..OH! that;s right this one is just right for you,,,We are talking about persecuting them.


May you find peace in Christ;s name,
Grandma




posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 08:22 AM
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It could be questioned as to how much influence the Hyksos would have over Akehetaten or perhaps he was of hyksos decent.


That's more likely. Cause, just 'tween you and me, the ancient hebrews weren't monotheists.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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So indeed, so long as there are people knocking my door or going to schools telling me or my kids that we should live this way or that I will get off my fat ares and take issue with them.

So long as there are people that would attempt to persuade my child that he or she would be committing an "abomination" for living their life as they see fit, I will open my mouth.



This sounds more like the government.

You know, when ever I hear or see people complaining about door to door religious salesmen I have to wonder where they live and question how much they may be exagerating.

I have lived in many different locations in North America. And while I have experienced a few Jehovas Witness visitations, I have never once, and I mean never ever experienced any other faith or christian sect coming to my house to spread their beliefs.

I have also attended many different schools growing up (all of them public). And likewise, there has never been any priest or nun or the like visiting any of these schools to spread their beliefs. On the contrary actually, In grade school the only mention of any religion was the lords prayer at the beginning of the day and no mention of religion for the rest of the day. However, the prayer was soon removed from the curriculum by the government.

Religion is being slowly, methodically and systematically removed from our lives. This should bring you and others great joy.

If you are so worried about your children being indoctrinated you should be fighting against pop-culture and government not religion. Gratuitous violence, sex, drugs and the worship of the all mighty dollar are plenty enough to indoctrinate our kids into the cesspool of filth that society is becoming, all without the help of religion.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Religion is being slowly, methodically and systematically removed from our lives. This should bring you and others great joy.


No dude, it is slowly and systematically being removed form my life and other like myself who reject it there is an ocean odd difference. You or anyone else are welcome to our share of religion and I will be very pleased indeed if those that choose religion keep it.




If you are so worried about your children being indoctrinated you should be fighting against pop-culture and government not religion. Gratuitous violence, sex, drugs and the worship of the all mighty dollar are plenty enough to indoctrinate our kids into the cesspool of filth that society is becoming,all without the help of religion.


Why on earth should I be fighting anything you happen to disagree with ? I may or may not believe pop culture or drugs to be a good thing, this is my business and not for anyone else yet again to try and dictate to me what opinions or thoughts I should or should not have.

Perhaps you consider homosexuality or lesbianism a cesspool of filth that I should protect my children from ?
Your morals are your own and mine are my own, I will respect your right to have them if you do the same for me but please don't ask me to agree with them and I'll not ask you to agree with me.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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People who believe in Jesus don't want to act like Jesus and if they saw the man today they would be the first to lock Him up as insane. Jesus was poor. His stated again and again take care of others and God will take care of you. This is so unpopular. And yet the most gilded among us also claim a superior faith. You cannot have it both ways. Pseudo-Christians.
I think what Jesus claimed was correct because he had nothing to gain by preaching it. Nothing. Many prophets get rich from prostelizing. This makes them suspect to me. Jesus was correct in his teachings since love and forgiveness is the only way among many offered to get warring factions to agree. Without someone bending there will be no peace.
We practice bending, trying to meet you. This will heal the world.
Always try to bring home the lost, give help to the poor, care for the sick, look after the children...or you cannot not call yourself Christian. Ours is not to judge but to offer ourselves up as servants for peace and goodwill....or you cannot claim to be Christian.
Many dishonor God by misrepresenting The Christ.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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The whole point I feel is to admit our own faults and except our own sinful nature, we are man who cannot control the balance of good and evil so we need Christ through faith in which the safety net to get us through to the next life and to live with a little bit of harmony in this one when judgement calls.

People do not even listen to each other but a common belief and culture can bring people together. But so can Star Wars but we know it is not real and through faith the difference is that people feel something real is going on, it touches the soul it opens avenues you could not comprehend before and understandings. No doubt there is also knowledge of evil and sorcery and dark arts, this has always been the case. We have false religions and Satanism too where the knowledge of bad becomes evil and it can be used spiritually, where the nature of faith and the Holy Spirit can counter act that balance, some call it karma or yingyang and the relationship with God in the Bible with people close to him or in contact through individuals or nations is that balance of power. The Bible says that those nations who bless Israel will be blessed. It says whenever we or the Israelites strayed away their enemies would gather around them so that they are forced to stop worshipping false Gods and committing crimes and the Locusts from the East would attack them as they became spiritually closed to God.

This I feel is the same here in the West, we tried to balance the morals with the immoral, we become blind of our own undoing and all of a sudden we are open to oppressive forces taking away our liberties, be it Sharia Law or Orwellian Big Brother watching over us, next the communists the ultra-nationalists will come back to power and the hole would be much deeper to get out of this time.

That balance between Christianity and Democracy is tipping on democracy without a religious moral view and it is spiritually weak, God won't help the nations that lose their relationship with him, it is evident that Christian based countries are better off, and I bet once the UK goes anti church it will have streets like the third world and crimes like those in Africa and Muslim countries where we have bombings, intimidation from minority groups, crimes based on pointless acts like knife crimes, the majority being left out and riots and protests on a daily basis and the innocents taken to court for speaking up about these problems with new forms of extremism and denial on all sides.


There can be a right balance to this, but it is not my problem it is down to the governments, we can sit back and watch it melt like a sitting duck, but maybe a few will fight for God in the courts, because that is where the war is and if the internet helps wake people up then I hope I have added some hope to others who feel they are in the same boat watching the island of their nations sink into the ocean slowly into a dark democracy holding both good and evil in its tentacles like an octopus. There will be closet Christians in society who won't admit what they believe, some are even afraid because of honour killings and rejection let alone more complex personal issues in life.

I feel democracy on its own is a slow burning Chaos but with a Christian constitution it can accommodate itself and others without throwing its pride in the pan or its identity away.



[edit on 21-12-2009 by The time lord]



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Grandma

We are called followers of Christ, in case you missed that...

...OH! that;s right this one is just right for you,,,We are talking about persecuting them.


This hurts me so much it's ridiculous. Can you hear yourself? This is the attitude I left Seminary because of. You have sarcastically belittled this person, and labeled him as a persecutor of Christians, using an off-hand witticism as a shield. Remember this:

The tongue isn't a two-edged blade because it can both heal and harm, it's a two-edged blade because it can cut you too.

The words you have for those around you (even in an environment such as this) effects not only the recipient thereof, but also they hurt you because of their careless and demeaning nature.

This modern Western "flippant" attitude is the reason that so many refuse to hear even the most heartfelt pleas for change. At the beginning of my last year of 'ministry', my instructor told me something I will NEVER forget:

"If you have trouble telling anyone about His great works, just imagine the words 'Going To Hell' emblazoned across their forehead, and you'll feel so sorry for them, you'll have no CHOICE but to speak up!"

This was someone I had admired and revered for his compassion!


Originally posted by Grandma
If you dislike Christians so much......stay away from these type of threads..


When you put yourself on one side of a line, and make everyone else on the other side your enemy, it won't be very long before you start seeing a lot of enemies around.

All my love to you and yours, please be careful with your words!

~RC



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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No dude, it is slowly and systematically being removed form my life and other like myself who reject it there is an ocean odd difference. You or anyone else are welcome to our share of religion and I will be very pleased indeed if those that choose religion keep it.



That may be, but what I said is also true. It is in fact being removed. No more merry christmas..... its happy holidays, just an example of what I am talking about. The removal of the prayer from school just another.
This is in itself political correctness magnified. The toughest hurdle will be removing christmas from big business.

I don't know what you mean by an "ocean odd difference"?




Why on earth should I be fighting anything you happen to disagree with ? I may or may not believe pop culture or drugs to be a good thing, this is my business and not for anyone else yet again to try and dictate to me what opinions or thoughts I should or should not have.



What I said was just an example of the immorality taking place in society today without the aid of religion. The economy collapsed because of the greed of and for money. Pop-culture promotes this greed, it also promotes degradation, disrespect and encourages entitlement. You may believe this is good or maybe you do not or perhaps you dont believe it period. But that is all your choice.




Perhaps you consider homosexuality or lesbianism a cesspool of filth that I should protect my children from ?


I'm not surprised you would say something like this. Because I write in defense of religion, you would assume I "hate gays". And before you deny your assumption.... you wrote it.

Gay people are human and deserve human rights like anyone. I disagree with those who would "use" religion to suggest gay people are abominations, just as I disagree with those who would use religion to start a war or gain power or wealth. Some people use religion like a tool for gain in many forms. That does not make it right, nor does it make all people of faith or faith itself the cause.

If an atheist murdered someone I would not blame atheism.



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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I have a few responses to your post; sorry I am unable to quote you properly as I would like to. But a few points:

Nobody is shoving anything down your throat. You are here of your own determination and volition. ATS has hundreds of threads.

It is not necessary for you to continually subject yourself to others "delusions". Yet you do. Day after day. You have only yourself to answer for this, as well as your continuing to put yourself through it. You obviously obtain secondary gains from the conflict. Say what you will.
Perhaps you should look within yourself to ascertain the real reasons you enjoy this so very much.

You would like for me to keep my beliefs to myself, and the others on this board as well. I am an American. An American woman. A spoiled one. What I choose to do or not do is patently none of your business. Thank God.


And lastly: All religions are faith based. You don't seem to "get that". Others do. When you time after time after time after time ask for "proof", you sound like a tired old sad broken record. Surely you must tire of even asking the question.

Religions are faith based. Please consider this:

1. Accept this and move on with life, (or get one, or whichever fits.)
2. Get over yourself. You're really not that big a deal.

Defending my position on my beliefs, here, now, with you, would be an utter waste of my time, and I have Christmas presents to wrap.

If you want to be the person who spent the days of his life on a message board defending atheism, offending those who are trying to live a spiritual life, go ahead. It's rather a sad existence. No disrespect intended.

To the new friends I have made here:

Merry Christmas everybody! Happy Hanukkah!

And to all: I hope we all have a Happy New Year!



posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Imagine Europe rubbing it into Communist states that we have fun at Christmans and Easter and we aspire to someone who was born of God who died for us to give us a path to heaven through the faithful knowledge of existence rather than listen to some dictator who keeps his country prisoner and limits free thought.

Let us rub it in for them that we can be happy and live in a balanced society that has learned to forgive each other than cast stones at women and lash people in public and hang teenagers for being different or those who made an early mistake in life and were persecuted.

Let us rub it in that we can drink wine and be merry at Christmas and serve presents to one another in the symbolic gesture of the 3 wise men and the gift of the Son of God to mankind.

Let those who want to live in misery look at freedom in Christ and tolerance as the West and Europe aspire others to be like us so we can promote freedom and yet still have a faith with a historical cultural pride.

We should pray for those who miss out in the world, and shame to the governements who try and stop this and those individuals who take freedom of speech to court.

Remember to love one another and be tolerant and forgiving.

Have a good Christmas to all on ATS.

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posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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In my experience, Christians love to be persecuted. It gives them a powerful sense of belonging. It's "us versus them!" It provides many comfy couch Christians with a kind of link back to the early Christians who were crucified and fed to lions. Many are able to poorly rationalize to themselves, "Well, if we aren't right, then why would anybody bother to confront us?"

Of course, the Jews are the all-time greatest when is comes to being persecuted. And the funny thing is, one of the biggest threats to Judaism in the modern world is... you guessed it... acceptance. In the United States, where the level of persecution is tiny, Jews don't go to temple, they marry outside the religion, and generally see their Jewish heritage as quaint and something to be oddly competitive about.

So I say Christians should be persecuted as much as they want. Any Christian out there who feels like they're being persecuted should be happy. If you aren't, it means nobody cares.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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spoken like a certified sadist! bully for yew!
problem is, last time i checked, i didn't like pain. and i check frequently.


that's a very silly post, if'n you only knew the half of it.

it's the same kind of mentality that says = "well if she doesn't want me to smack her around then she shouldn't piss me off! and since she does piss me off, she must WANT me to smack her around!"

HELLOOO in there?



[edit on 22-12-2009 by undo]



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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I have a few responses to your post; sorry I am unable to quote you properly as I would like to. But a few points:




Nobody is shoving anything down your throat. You are here of your own determination and volition. ATS has hundreds of threads.


I've not complained of this occurring here on ATS and I don't give a monkeys if someone did try it on, my attack (as it's called) is upon those who try to influence my life with their nonsense superstitious bible beliefs.

Don't even bother and come back with something like wonderful xtians don't to that because that would be contemptible BS of the highest magnitude.




It is not necessary for you to continually subject yourself to others "delusions". Yet you do. Day after day. You have only yourself to answer for this, as well as your continuing to put yourself through it. You obviously obtain secondary gains from the conflict. Say what you will. Perhaps you should look within yourself to ascertain the real reasons you enjoy this so very much.





What kind of totals drivel is this ? How dare you assume I subject myself to anything, what the hell do you think you are my therapist ?

Dude how many time have I got to say (millions obviously as the delude normally block their ears to reason) if people "weren't " trying to shove their delusion upon me or mine we would not be having this debate !! Wakey wakey.






You would like for me to keep my beliefs to myself, and the others on this board as well.




No I have not implied this in anyway at all ever, in relation to ATS either you cannot read or you are deliberately trying to skew the discussion.

I have and always have been putting the boot into those who conspire (be it with the use of religions or otherwise) to manipulate circumstances where I or others like me, are forced in one way or another to comply to the dictates of another delusional superstitious beliefs.

This has nothing to do with whatever you wish to spout on ATS, hey this is an open forum we all enter the fray because we choose to.






I am an American. An American woman. A spoiled one. What I choose to do or not do is patently none of your business. Thank God.



I couldn't care less if you were man, woman or muppet believe what you wish and I will defend your right to do so your business is yours as much as mine is my own. I've never implied otherwise.






And lastly: All religions are faith based. You don't seem to "get that". Others do. When you time after time after time after time ask for "proof", you sound like a tired old sad broken record. Surely you must tire of even asking the question.





Religions are faith based. Please consider this:



I couldn't care less if religions are faith based as long as you don't try and influence my life with it.

So what ? You believe something totally requiring zero evidence whatsoever fine by me that's fine for you but keep your delusion to yourself unless asked.









1. Accept this and move on with life, (or get one, or whichever fits.) 2. Get over yourself. You're really not that big a deal. Defending my position on my beliefs, here, now, with you, would be an utter waste of my time, and I have Christmas presents to wrap.




Then go and wrap your presents then who the hell demanded you to enter the debate ? I surely didn't, get a grip, wrap your pressies and when you see or hear about others who choose not to live their lives according to the bibles give them the same the respect of keeping your face shut as your asking of me.






If you want to be the person who spent the days of his life on a message board defending atheism, offending those who are trying to live a spiritual life, go ahead. It's rather a sad existence. No disrespect intended.



For your information I have a very happy successful existence, my life is one filled with joy. My life and that of my family is also to a point free from biblical nonsense and I intend keeping that way.

I am not nor ever have been defending atheism, I am attacking supernatural beliefs that are used by some to influence how I or my family choose to live.

When it come to protecting my way of life and that of my family I just happen to be evolved enough to use debate eg this type of forum.
Although many of those who would attempt to dictate how
I should live have a history of using violence fear and political manipulation, I'm sticking with debate for now and will bring it to you if you believe you have the right moral authority.

But , when it comes to the world of extremes as often occurs when dealing with religious delusion I would not have an issue with the use of napalm and such to protect my way of life lol.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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In my experience, Christians love to be persecuted. It gives them a powerful sense of belonging. It's "us versus them!" It provides many comfy couch Christians with a kind of link back to the early Christians who were crucified and fed to lions. Many are able to poorly rationalize to themselves, "Well, if we aren't right, then why would anybody bother to confront us?"


One also has to remember it is necessary for xtians to be persecuted in order for their prophesies to be seen as coming true.

It's part of their jesusyahweh gods plan, so anyone who decides to go out and attack xtians should be comforted in knowing that they're actually doing the work of jesusyahweh god and never feel bad about it .



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman
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Having said that I would still obsessively campaign for you to believe whatever you wish all i ask in return is that you keep it to yourself.





Hm. This is in response to your having said "NO, I have not (stated) this in any way at all ever, in relation to ATS. Either you cannot read or you are deliberately trying to skew the discussion."

So, please see that you did say it, only a few posts back.

The other points I won't address.

moocowman, I hope there is something about this month you can enjoy.
Whether it be the twinkling lights, the smell of cinnamon and cedar, or the good cheer and good will of others during our most treasured holiday season.

In my heart this morning, I feel good will to you for some reason.
lol.

Must be the season! I sincerely hope you have a joyous Winter Soltice, shortest day of the year thingy, and success and happiness continue to be yours.

Peace Out.
liw



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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kinda sick ain't it? concerns me that there are some who think the thing is all bunk but are more than happy to help fulfill the prophecies if it means getting rid of people they disagree with lol

I WANT TO BE A CLONE!


and mr. moo, you gots the same problemo.

i'ma tellin' ya, the pot and the kettle know each other so well now, we can predict each other's responses in advance!

(see enclosed prediction. disclaimer: the above statements were made by me under duress. someone put my fingers on the keyboard and forced me to defend myself. it was horrible. my therapist is getting rich from it. )



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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Hm. This is in response to your having said "NO, I have not (stated) this in any way at all ever, in relation to ATS. Either you cannot read or you are deliberately trying to skew the discussion."


Madam. In your posts you indicate that I, in my posts, am asking those of religious bent to keep their beliefs to themselves "whilst on ATS". This is completely untrue and you appear to be the first religious type to be making this complaint of a pointless activity.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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and mr. moo, you gots the same problemo. i'ma tellin' ya, the pot and the kettle know each other so well now, we can predict each other's responses in advance!

Helping someone achieve their goal does not necessarily imply that you agree with their beliefs.

My kids expect santa to come and I will help him get his fat arse down the chimney to the best of my ability.

We know Santa is on his way because we can see the signs - trees are lit, decorations are up, snow is falling etc etc

I will leave a mince pie and a bottle of Bud int he house for the present laden invisible man and I will put out some cake and milk for invisible reindeer.

Christians also expert an invisible bearded man to bring them goodies an like Santa there there will also be signs, without the signs he will not becoming.

If one of the signs of the coming of the jesus santa is the persecution of xtians ( not that I persecute xtians) surely the xtians should be rejoicing just like the kids do when they see dad putting up the idolatrous pagan xmas tree ?



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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no, not even yeshua rejoiced under persecution.
good grief charlie brown, what people won't come up.



posted on Dec, 22 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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There are nearly 2 bloody billion of you running around the world. Please put the victim card back in the pack. Im glad to live in the Uk which is secular(for the most part) as opposed to a country that is ruled by religion, none of my immediate family are religious. I do have one family member though who is a Jehovahs witness. I stopped talking to her except when absolutely needed, not because she was a Jehovah witness but because she turned a bit loopy after converting. And moo is right, when i was a child at school a minister would come in every week and spam us with bible quotes. Moo has every right to be upset about his children being indoctrinated at a young age. If schools taught about the history of various religions and it's impact on countries,culture(in a simple way of course) to young children i wouldn't have a problem. But what is happening is entirely different.



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