Avatar, Great Achievement, or a Liberal/Communist Indoctrination Campaign?

Originally posted by Rikhart
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So now being ecological is "liberal communism"?

GO GO SUVs, vroom vroom!

Obviously you did not bother to read what I said...

This is the problem with most people these days... You don't bother to read....

There is a BIG difference with being "environmentally friendly " meanwhile no DEMANDING, and using the environmnet as an excuse to "bash Capitalims, and the U.S....

Most environmentalists these days are just like you. You don't read, or find out what is being protested against, and you just LOVE to join in with the rest of dumbed down people who ahve no idea what is being protested again, and how environmentalist groups, and also "peace groups" have been infiltrated by Socailists.Communists who are only using "the environment" as a tool to further their own POLITICAL agendas"....

reply to post by EminenceofAeon


Damn you for having an opinion after actually watching the film, How dare you make a non hysterical claim after actaully seeing it.

Pffft

You must be a troll!
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Ridiculous .... James Cameron a communist ????


Then why the hell is he in the business of making movies and fattening the pockets of the scum of the earth movie executives.

wow, such a commie.


The government really did a number on some of you, brain washing you to believe that communists are worse than pedophile's.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


If this is ";inberal communist indoctrination" then so is reality. hate to break it to you, buddy, but greed IS the #1 cause of environmental damage - even in "communist" China (which is actually far more of a free market than the US ever has been, which is why all our industry is moving over there. Go figure, huh?) and imperialism has always resulted in the degradation of people and the environment as the conquering people exploit both.

Don't want to see these truisms reflected in a sci-fi movie? Then don't watch it. Just keep clutching your crotch and watching Red Dawn over and over again.

Originally posted by EminenceofAeon
Hello everyone,

I just got back from the movie myself ( I am a severe graphics junkie ) and to be honest I think the OP blew it out of proportion. The only thing the movie attacks is greed and corruption. I think the OP is subconciously linking those with capitalism or trying to fuel the debate to get the liberal / conservative - or communism / captialism thing going.
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Another one that didn't bother to read the excerpts given, and even THE VIDEO INTERVIEW OF JAMES CAMERON...

I am not making this up...

For crying out loud if you are going to participate in a discussion at least read, and watch the evidence being given before you start making claims "the OP blew it out of proportion"......

When the liberal interviewer says "it shows how Imperialism and humm all those other things is causing all of this" They are talking about the western world....

The idea of "Imperialism" primarily puts the blame on "inequality" on the "WESTERN" world.... It doesn't blame other nations like Islamic Nations, or Socialist nations, or even Communist nations....

When you add "the evil greedy imperialists are the cause of the problems with the environment and all the problems in the world" this is primarily a COMMUNIST CONCEPT....

But Now-a-days Liberals, and those people who advocate the left-wing ideology seem to think they came up with this concept, when in reality they are just embracing the same old COMMUNIST concept of blaming Capitalism, and "the Imperialistic west" for the problems in the world....

Obviously most of these left-wing people have never even visited a Communist nation, or an Islamic nation...which alongside others have been the cause for many "environmental problems"....

The fact that western nations like the U.S. have more respect for the environment, and the fact that it is nations like China, India, Russia, and others who are the WORSE POLLUTERS IN THE WORLD seems to escape those who advocate the left-wing ideology....

Instead they agree, and embrace the Communist claims that "it is all the fault of Capitalism, and the Imperialist western world...... "

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reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Just keep clutching your crotch and watching Red Dawn over and over again.

That is worthy backup sig lol!



~edit to add~

So the OP thinks Imperialism is a good thing?

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Connector]

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


No "buddy" companies are moving to China because SLAVE labor is CHEAP, and BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS PROTECTING THE POLAR BEARS.....

China is the number 1 country in the world with the MOST POLLUTED CITIES, RIVERS, AND LAKES IN THE WORLD....

I guess that must be "because they LOVE the environment"....

So keep trying to exchange your cojones for flowers, and fuzzy feelings meanwhile trying to escape reality, and the truth "buddy"...

After all, it is your choice...




[edit on 18-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
Ridiculous .... James Cameron a communist ????

Then why the hell is he in the business of making movies and fattening the pockets of the scum of the earth movie executives.

wow, such a commie.
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Why is Michael Moore such a Socialist, also blaming Capitalism for the problems in America meanwhile making himself rich through Capitalism?...

Why is the Communist Chinese government USING Capitalism to stay afloat meanwhile they deny to most other Chinese people the ability to become free?....

Obviously young people like you have no idea that Communists in power around the world have been RICH....they just want everyone else but themselves to be poor...

And again, you obviously did not bother to read the fact that unlike you, I was born in a Communist country, and I experienced what true Socialism/Communism is all about....

The more I read the responses from the members who embrace the left-wing ideologies the more I see why these same people voted for Obama... None of you bothered to read what is being said...

Originally posted by Connector

So the OP thinks Imperialism is a good thing?

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Connector]

I don't blame the "western world" for all the problems in the world...

But those embracing the left-wing ideology have obviously embraced the Communist ideals of "blaming Capitalism and the evil imperialists for all the problems that happen in the world"......

You people, leftwingers, keep talking about "the sheeple" and you don't seem to understand that YOU are the "sheeple" meanwhile those who want to implement a One World Socialist dictatorship are laughing at your stupidity, and ignorance for embracing their ideologies which they have been indoctrinating you with.



[edit on 18-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

No "buddy" companies are moving to China because SLAVE labor is CHEAP, and BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS PROTECTING THE POLAR BEARS.....

China is the number 1 country in the world with the MOST POLLUTED CITIES, RIVERS, AND LAKES IN THE WORLD....

I guess that must be "because they LOVE the environment"....

No, it's because around 1989, China began implementing radical Chicago-School Free Market measures to "improve" their economy. What do you think Tienanmen Square was about? The end result was exactly the same as it was in Argentina, in Chile, in Poland, in Great Britain, in Greece, everywhere else these ideas were used - the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, the economy stagnated, inflation shot up and the environment got degraded. Plain fact is, China's environment was better (I won't go so far as to say it was "good" though...) before its 1980's "reforms."

I strongly suggest you start doing research about hte words and ideas you use in your boring little rants. it can only improve your argumentative skills.

So keep trying to exchange your cojones for flowers, and fuzzy feelings meanwhile trying to escape reality, and the truth "buddy"...

After all it is your choice...
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I would be mildly scathed if your insulting skills weren't as awful as your debate and research skills. Your point would also be stronger if I weren't the one explaining reality to you.

WOLVERINES!!!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


While I've gotten your attention, please reply to this paragraph of my post a few pages back:


]Connector quotes himself:

BTW, I'm sure your aware( being from Cuba) that the reason Communism first took root in Cuba is because of precisely what this movie is about? Greedy and Imperialistic people( Americans at the time) owning almost everything and abusing the local populace and resources. Check your history.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Connector]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
Ridiculous .... James Cameron a communist ????

Then why the hell is he in the business of making movies and fattening the pockets of the scum of the earth movie executives.

wow, such a commie.
..............

Why is Michael Moore such a Socialist, also blaming Capitalism for the problems in America meanwhile making himself rich through Capitalism?...

Moore has no problems with capitalism. He has problems with grossly deregulated business, laws and measures that divert the rights of the people to those businesses, and ensure that the government is far more available and amiable to those businesses than to the regular citizens of the United States (and of course, many other countries are in similar positions, Moore only focused on America because, well, his audience, open-minded as they might be, probably don't give a good goddamn about Turkey.)

of course, this viper's nest of corruption, monopolism, and abuse is what Americans such as yourself equate with "capitalism". Mostly you do this because you don't actually understand what any of these words mean, and someone else tells you that opposing gross deregulations and hanjobbing to big business is "COMMUNIST!" and that COMMuNISM! is evil like eating babies on Lent!

By the way, if you have the first clue about the words you're using, you'd understand that socialism has no issue with private industry or profit.

Why is the Communist Chinese government USING Capitalism to stay afloat meanwhile they deny to most other Chinese people the ability to become free?....

Because much as you don't understand that socialism has no opinion of profit-making, capitalism has no say on freedom. These aren't equal notions. The words mean different things, and aren't related at all. Again, if you knew what the words meant...

The Chinese government is using capitalism the same way te American governmnet is - to make the people who count rich, so the peopel who count will throw money at the candidates of any given party (well, THE party, in China) enriching THEM in turn, while keeping hte poor too poor to really be able to do anything about it. It's a nice little head-up-the-ass oroboros of corruption. Made possible by capitalism - Maoist communism was pretty corrupt, but it was harder to be so.. .and corruption tended to result in firing squads when exposed. Sort of like what happens when you eat a translocator and sneak back into the mountain stronghold of your guerrilla football team...

Obviously young people like you have no idea that Communists in power around the world have been RICH....they just want everyone else but themselves to be poor...

Again, you really don't know that communism actually means something specific, rather than just "anything I disagree with" do you?

And again, you obviously did not bother to read the fact that unlike you, I was born in a Communist country, and I experienced what true Socialism/Communism is all about....

And yet you don't know what either term means. And here, I thought Ayn Rand was dead!

The more I read the responses from the members who embrace the left-wing ideologies the more I see why these same people voted for Obama... None of you bothered to read what is being said...

Obviously not, 'cause "Obama" and "left wing" go together about as well as chocolate and anchovies. I mean, I'm sure if you're a brownshirt, obama looks pretty darn left wing... or if you're just an ignoramus who can't tell the difference between communism and capitalism and liberlas and the left and environmentalism and god only knows how many other terms you're confused about...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I read the rantings... skimmed over some bashing...

I believed the point you were trying to make was that the movie was bashing capitalism and trying to indocterate communism to the lesser mentally developed? If that wasn't the original point then forgive me I misunderstood. My original intent was to calm the frantics as after seeing the movie to let you know that there was no communism preaching and no capitalism bashing. The only thing the movie attacks was corporate greed and corruption. Those two need to be bashed as far as I am concerned.

-Also, it seems you are so lost into your frantic thoughts that you missed me saying I agree with capitalism. You also do not know what affiliation I am whether it comes to being conservative or liberal and you making such an assumption has led me to believe that you are simply trolling now. Probably not your intention but it seems you are over defensive that you are defeating your own purpose.-

It seems your problem isn't with the movie its just the man that made it. I'm not going to live in fear of doing some things I might find enjoyable because I dissagree with somebodies ideas and opinions. I'm not going to stay home because Sally thinks blondes are better and I'm a brunette... Life just doesn't work that way.

reply to post by Connector



Wow...a westerner trying to tell someone who was born in Cuba, and knows it's history who is to blame for Communism taking over?....

Cuba was the Jewel of the Caribbean before Communism took root. People were not going hungry, and EVERY household had one tv, even at that time this wasn't happening in the U.S. yet....

The problem occurred when a Socialist/Communist who, like always, at first claimed only to be a Socialist gave empty promises of CHANGE, and how the riches of the island would be theirs and they would be equally rich, which in fact in Socialism/Communism it means everyone is equally poor.

Actually it was GREED to have more that caused Communism to take over Cuba. It was the greed of the Socialist/Communist elites, and they tried to impart that greed on the "campesinos" (farmers) who were not going hungry" but were given promises of "you can have more"...

Since Communism took over things started to get worse, and worse, people began to wake up and see the truth and what castro and his thugs did, which included Che, was to murder anyone who was showing signs of being problematic to their Communist cause, and to "the revolution"...

They imprisoned artists, poets, and even Liberal professors who oly embraced some part of the Communist ideals.

I have shown in the past a couple of times the interviews of some former Russian high ranking officers and they state how the Socialist/Communist elites use Liberal professors and other "light Socialists/Communists" aka Liberals to indoctrinate the gullible masses. But after the Socialist/Communist elite take over a nation they have no need for these "light Socialists/Communists" aka Liberals and they are executed, or imprisoned because they could become a problem.

Several of my uncles were soldiers in castro's armies, and one uncle of mine in particular was a captain of a regimen in the mountains of Cuba who at first fought with castro, but later turned against him when he saw what he really was.

My uncle spend 30 years in prison, he was beaten by the guards regularly, and he hasn't been able to have any children because of the regular beatings that he suffered.

Like him there were many more.

I know about the history of Cuba better than you buddy, and btw sorry to have to tell you this but since when have ANY Communist regime really been "environmentally friendly"?..... NEVER...that is the awnser, but nice try to once again blame Capitalism for "the problems that are still occurring in Communist China"....

Oh, and one more thing about your claims of my "insulting skills" I respond to people in kind.

You decided to be a jacka$$ so I responded in kind.

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reply to post by EminenceofAeon


A movie, or a book doesn't have to say "Capitalism , and Imperialism is the cause of all evil" but it can be implied in many ways.

When the producer/director of a movie, or author of a book says "the main premise of my book/movie is to show people that Imperialism (read the western world) is the cause for all the greed, and problems in the world, including all environmental problems", and yet you claim this is not what the movie is trying ti impart, then it is obvious you don't can't admit to the undertones of this movie even though the producer/director himself goes on tv and agrees with the ranting of another rich Liberal who wants to blame "Imperialism, and huh all the things that go with it" for the problems in the world...

BTW if you are trying to claim the indoctrination hasn't been happening it is obvious you haven't looked hard enough at what has been happening in the U.S. and even in Europe.

BTW, I never said "don't watch the movie".... I presented the article, and interview of what was the intention of James Cameron for making this movie. It is YOUR choice whether you want to watch it or not...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Then you know the history of Cuba in the same way that Michael Bay knows about robotics. I'd suggest you bow out before too many people catch onto your lying, man.

well all i can say is that i cant wait for this movie to come out! the movie looks greaaat!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Connector

 

Wow...a westerner trying to tell someone who was born in Cuba, and knows it's history who is to blame for Communism taking over?....

Cuba was the Jewel of the Caribbean before Communism took root. People were not going hungry, and EVERY household had one tv, even at that time this wasn't happening in the U.S. yet....

The problem occurred when a Socialist/Communist who, like always, at first claimed only to be a Socialist gave empty promises of CHANGE, and how the riches of the island would be theirs and they would be equally rich, which in fact in Socialism/Communism it means everyone is equally poor.

Actually it was GREED to have more that caused Communism to take over Cuba. It was the greed of the Socialist/Communist elites, and they tried to impart that greed on the "campesinos" (farmers) who were not going hungry" but were given promises of "you can have more"...

Since Communism took over things started to get worse, and worse, people began to wake up and see the truth and what castro and his thugs did, which included Che, was to murder anyone who was showing signs of being problematic to their Communist cause, and to "the revolution"...

They imprisoned artists, poets, and even Liberal professors who oly embraced some part of the Communist ideals.

I have shown in the past a couple of times the interviews of some former Russian high ranking officers and they state how the Socialist/Communist elites use Liberal professors and other "light Socialists/Communists" aka Liberals to indoctrinate the gullible masses. But after the Socialist/Communist elite take over a nation they have no need for these "light Socialists/Communists" aka Liberals and they are executed, or imprisoned because they could become a problem.

Several of my uncles were soldiers in castro's armies, and one uncle of mine in particular was a captain of a regimen in the mountains of Cuba who at first fought with castro, but later turned against him when he saw what he really was.

My uncle spend 30 years in prison, he was beaten by the guards regularly, and he hasn't been able to have any children because of the regular beatings that he suffered.

Like him there were many more.

I know about the history of Cuba better than you buddy, and btw sorry to have to tell you this but since when have ANY Communist regime really been "environmentally friendly"?..... NEVER...that is the awnser, but nice try to once again blame Capitalism for "the problems that are still occurring in Communist China"....

Oh, and one more thing about your claims of my "insulting skills" I respond to people in kind.

You decided to be a jacka$$ so I responded in kind.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Thank you for a mostly kind and detailed response. I fear you maybe mixing my posts with others ( i.e. "insulting skills")


Very few...mostly non- pats( and corrupt wealthy locals) had control and were devastating the Cuban economy+resources. The populace were fed up and revolted. Communism silently slipped in the vacuum of government.

That is the point.....the body politic changing the governorship. In Cuba Communism was the first poised to fill the vacuum. It could have been any form of leadership.

Isn't that what the movie is pointing out, regardless of ideology? Why is it so hard for you to see the parallels of all history? Step outside the box man!

Dude.....your looking for somethin' your not gonna find......


BTW, you never disproved my post
I never said either right or wrong....just the way it happened

Obviously young people like you have no idea that Communists in power around the world have been RICH....they just want everyone else but themselves to be poor... And again, you obviously did not bother to read the fact that unlike you, I was born in a Communist country, and I experienced what true Socialism/Communism is all about....

If someone is rich then it isnt communism and your claim about experiencing true communism is false.

The idea of govt itself is communist. A govt for the greater good?

How about the military? Its socialist. Protects the greater good.

Social security? Welfare? Taxes?

Face the facts, most of you railing on socialism/communism have no idea what its really about. You just sit here spouting capitalist propaganda while living in one of the most socialist countries under the guise of capitalism. While itself in reality is a fascist/socialist country,

Its just the old us/them mentailty in one of its oldest forms. I doubt 99% of you could even define docialism or communism. All you know is that your govt says its bad.

Bahhhhh sheep.