Avatar, Great Achievement, or a Liberal/Communist Indoctrination Campaign?, page 3

reply to post by Someone336

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What do you think it says about real Art when it is put side by side with the painting done by an animal, or a person who really has no artistic potential?

I am not saying that every abstract artist has not artistic potential, but there has certainly been a diminishing of what Art means, and many abstract painters/artists really have no talent whatsoever if you ask them to pain a protrait, or a landscape.


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reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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I'd say that art has to do more with "intent" than skill. Just about anybody can be a slave to aesthetics, but that doesn't make them an artist. This works both ways: anybody can slap paint on a canvas or scribble some lines, but that doesn't make them an artist either.

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reply to post by Clearskies

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True, any sort of evidence of individualism is abhorred, suppressed, and swept aside as soon as possible under true Socialist/Communist regimes.

Remember that in true Socialism/Communism the individual doesn't matter, only the whole, and the party/revolution matters.

reply to post by Someone336

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Real art is not about "scribbling lines"... actually, that is what abstract painting for the most part is about... scribbling anything, and everything and passing it as art...

BTW, if a person can truly paint a portrait, or a landscape that person is an artist, and has talent.

I think you have it backwards. I wonder why that is?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Did you get the same feeling you get when you look at this



as you do when you look at the art hanging on the walls of your average Holiday Inn or doctor's office? Do you get the same feeling when you see a child's (assuming it's not your own child) scribbles as a painting by Modrian?

Art becomes art when it contains that spark, a trigger in our subconscious mind. I believe this derives from the intent of the artist, the will to create and to spread an idea. Believe it or not, people can impart messages in their art that are politically or socially motivated without bowing the whim of some grand Communist Conspiracy.

Technically, by deciding what is art and what is not (presumably due to it's content) you are coming closer to what you are speaking out against

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Avatar, Great Achievement, or a Liberal/Communist Indoctrination Campaign?

Yall will have to excuse me because... I just don't get it.

Like, why can't a movie like Avatar or The DaVinci Code or National Treasure just be what they are; fictions in the form of a screenplay?

Okay, maybe these flicks are part of some deep conspiracy and by the way, this IS the place to hammer that all out. But what if movies like Plan 9 From Outer Space had just come out? Would Ed Woods (rest his B-rated soul) been part of a conspiracy to warn of of a conspiracy to raise the dead in order to conquer the planet?

Never mind... maybe it was.

reply to post by Someone336

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What is that picture of? It's not 'abstract' and certainly appeals to well-established aesthetics.

reply to post by Clearskies

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That Raphael's School of Athens. I like that piece alot

reply to post by redoubt

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I agree with you. Does every crime movie attempt to turn the viewing audience to a life of crime?

I just watched Lord of the Rings. I'm feeling the uncontrollable urge to get a wedding ring and go toss it in a volcano.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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For hundreds of years, the pagan, communist ideas expressed in this movie circulated among a threadbare group of outcasts with dirty fingernails and greasy hair, who shared their obtuse, occult ideas amongst themselves with manic, alienated glee. Now, James Cameron has made these insane views the major bulwark of a very spectacular movie, but the spectacle does not make these Neo-Marxist views any more coherent, rational or uplifting.

Great entertainment puts plot first, character second, dialogue third, idea forth, music fifth and spectacle last, as Aristotle noted. Cameron reverses this in "Avatar." And, all too often, when you put spectacle first, you turn a great little movie like "King King" into "King Bore."

In "Avatar," the dialogue is often funky, the ideas are self-contradictory and absurd, the characters are shallow and stereotypical and the plot is forgotten as Cameron shows off scene after scene of his special effects. If only someone had edited this movie, it may have been more interesting. Those who want to be blown away by special effects, or who are on drugs, may disagree.

Ultimately, "Avatar" is bad news. What the people in the movie need to deliver them from their greed and the aliens in the movie need to deliver them from their severe group think is the loving salvation available only through the true God, Jesus Christ

reply to post by redoubt

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Maybe you don't understand, and didn't read what James Cameron himself has stated, and what he is implying.

The movie, is more than just a movie, and he says so himself. Through it he is trying to indoctrinate into others his ideas that "Capitalism, and Imperialistic U.S.A. is destroying the environment and is evil, just like the movie portrays"....

Just take a look at the interview, and take notice of what James Cameron is saying.

Of course not all movies are trying to indoctrinate people...nor are they all showing some sort of conspiracy....

But Avatar, among some others is doing just that. Trying to indoctrinate, and spread the Communist ideas that "Capitalism, and Imperialistic U.S.A. is the problem of all the evil in the world"....

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reply to post by Clearskies

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Thanks for the link. Yeah, there are many websites that are showing James Cameron himself state his illogical, and flawed ideas which he wants to convey with this movie.

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reply to post by Someone336

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Would that be Plato, aristotle and others at something like his Symposium, where the attendees discussed the best ways to seduce boys?

Pausanias claims that Elis and Boeotia are inarticulate regions that have nothing to say against pedophilia (182a-b); Ionia and other regions think it is disgraceful (182b-c), but they live under despots and think no more of philosophy and sport than they do of love. Pausanias then launches into a confusing discussion of Athenian law regarding pederasty. He says that Athens' code is not easy to understand, but claims that it cheers on the lover, so long as he does not pursue the boy in secret and does not rush him into it. He says you would never know that the law explicitly approves the lover's conduct by the way fathers behave when they get wind of the fact that some older man is sniffing around his son, or by the way the boy's playmates tease him about having a lover. He adds that these contradictions are easily explained (183d).

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reply to post by Clearskies

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What's your point? It's a work of art.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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There is a simple solution. Don't see the movie. Would you rather the film, or any film with a political message other than your own, be banned and hidden away from an unsuspecting populace, which, apparently, lacks the ability to think for itself?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Maybe you don't understand, and didn't read what James Cameron himself has stated, and what he is implying.

Oh, I don't doubt that many films are laced with a little of the writer's or director's political slant. But it really takes a pretty fer stretch to imagine that Avatar will end up being anything more than a huge profit maker for Mattel and the video gaming industry.

People just don't do subliminal and undercurrent messages all that well. As a race, humans are often too shallow to appreciate anything after the hero kisses his horse at the end.

I am not trying to be argumentative... I just don't see a political movement coming from this flick.

Cheers

reply to post by Someone336

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Is that an abstract painting? Is that the painting done by some animal, or someone that has no real artistic talent?...

Now you are trying to turn around the big mistep you took earlier...

BTW, do show me where i said every movie is trying to indoctrinate people....

For crying out loud I even gave an interview of James CAmeron, and in his own words showed what HE HIMSELF has admited, and stated the ideological rantings he wants to convey with this movie......

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reply to post by Someone336

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You can call trash art. Literally.
(I knew a guy who glued trash to a board, had it framed and sold it to the rich for over $100. each!)

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