Russians confirm that UK scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming, page 1

Russians confirm that UK scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming

mensne wsdaily.com

The Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report stating that Russian meteorological-station data does not appear to substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory; contrary to the manipulated impression given by UK researchers involved in Climategate.

The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

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Well here you have the Russians claiming that data collected to push the global warming agenda is at the very least, incomplete, and possibly fabricated. This whole thing has become sucha political fiasco, so much so that I would be happy if absolutely nothing got done at Cap'nhagen at all. Is there doubt that it's all about money?

Let's keep a close eye on the environment, and find out for sure that we're causing climate change before we give in to taxation without representation.

mensne wsdaily.com
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reply to post by heyo

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Nice find, starred and flagged.

Of course the AGW proponents are going to dismiss this, like they do with everything else that refutes the AGW religion, and they will keep on claiming "you have nothing".

There are certain people that will never accept the fact that they were, and still are wrong.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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I would imagine russian industrial interests stand to gain a lot from capntrade, yet here we have scientists, WITH status, outlining the possibility that the whole thing could possibly be a sham! It's almost how a real scientist would act when only concerned about the truth!
I hope this is somewhat of a domino effect, and russia just flicked the first piece!

The more I hear about the natural cycles of the earth's climate, the less alarmed I feel. Since I'm kind of paranoid, I think that's a good sign.

reply to post by SteveR

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Russia acts like a real country, with it's own self-interest in mind. They're not concerned about people's opinions of them on the other side of the globe.
Maybe it's the heroin.

reply to post by henriquefd

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Ya know, i totally agree with you. I mean, i recognise the fact that the Earth and indeed the solar system, undergoes climate change without the aid of humanity however, we certainly contribute to it..... without a doubt.

Just 100 years ago there was roughly 2 billion people on the planet, now there is almost 7 billion. Thats ALOT of resources we are using just to keep this amount of people going, what will it be like in in another 100 years, 30 billion? Could our Earth handle that many people and cater for the resources needed, hell no, we cant even handle it now.

We are certainly in part to blame for all this, and we need to recognise this fact instead of pointing the finger and blame on scientists/goverments et cetera for it all. Im not saying we are fully to blame, though i think its acceptable to realise at the very least that we are partly to blame!

So, the whole solar system is heating up, humanity is populating far to fast and we cant control our waste/by products.

Ill leave you with a 10 min clip from David Attenborough from the series, State Of The Planet >




Be safe and be well

reply to post by henriquefd

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A star for an honest, simple view on the issue. You haven’t pretended to understand complicated graphs, nor claimed to have read and understood mountains of data... just told it as you see it with your own eyes... nice one

Too many people confidently regurgitate second hand information as if they know what they are talking about... Not many people on this site are climatologists yet they confidently make bold statements about this issue!!!

And I am talking about both sides of the argument... I would love to see more honesty!!

It really scares me that people are prepared to take gambles with our life support system because they are frightened of having to change the way they live and because they are too arrogant to admit that they really don’t know the truth.

Thanks for a refreshingly honest post


With regards to the OP... i see it like this... it means nothing...

If the Russian scientists had said that they had found evidence that supports the MMCC theory then people would be saying "Those Russians are at it again... they are just saying this because they will gain from Cap and Trade... You can’t trust them... they are so corrupt" etc... It is simply a case of getting into bed with anyone who happens agree with your own personal belief.

I've even seen people praising Nick Griffin (the leader of the British far right political party BNP) for his comments claiming MMCC is a scam.

For me, as someone who does believe in MMCC, if Nick Griffin stepped forward and said that MMCC was fact I would do everything to distance myself from the vile little creep. Just because he happens to agree with one of the things I believe does not make him a friend of mine!!!

But it seems to me that people are so desperate, when it comes to this issue, that they will happily accept allies were ever they can get them... regardless of what other principles they have to sell out!!

So now its

“All hail the glorious Russian truth tellers and their free and incorruptible scientists”


Just my opinion... i mean no offence to anyone


[edit on 17-12-2009 by Muckster]

reply to post by henriquefd

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Even if there isn't any man made global warming, we can't continue polluting the planet like this, man. Here in Brazil, we have this huge coastal area with beautiful beaches, but so many of them are now polluted. It's common practice in some cities to dump the sewage waste into the sea. Not to mention the oil spills. I have seen beaches that even today have oil on the coral reefs and the sands. The city of Sao Paulo gets 800.000 new cars added to the streets every year. It's crazy. Because of my job I travel all over the country and a common problem to most cities is how to deal with the trash. Lots and lots of trash is produced daily and we have to find a place to dump all that trash.

The problems with trash, etc. are the problem every developing country experiences. It has nothing to do with CO2, carbon credits or AGW which is what Copenhagen and the climate control agenda is about.

Frankly, the more developed and prosperous a country is the better it is able to clean up and improve its environmental issues. Poor countries pollute much more!!

The Copenhagen conference doesn't concern itself with trash or pollution. It's more a wealth transfer agenda which, fortunately is going bad!

reply to post by heyo

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The people reporting this is a right wing think tank with vested interests in oil and coal.

However, this doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong.

It also doesn't mean there is anything nefarious going on.

The Russian data is notoriously unreliable, having caused several problems with reports that had to be corrected after release. It is quite possible that researchers have, over time, filtered out unreliable stations due to unmanageable levels of errors.

I expect the researchers will provide an explanation shortly.

And I expect the anti-science mob will reject the explanation out of hand.

Such is life.

Why should we listen to Russians on this? One good reason would be that they have detailed documentation going all the way back to 1937 from soviet(and now russian) "Drift Stations".

Soviet and Russian manned drifting ice stations

Soviet and now Russian drifting ice stations are named "Severnyy polyus" (Russian: «Северный полюс»; English: "North Pole") and are abbreviated SP (Russian: «СП»; English: "NP"). Each station is assigned an ordinal number. "NP" stations carry out the program of complex year-round research in the fields of oceanology, ice studies, meteorology, aerology, geophysics, hydrochemistry, hydrophysics, as well as in the field of marine biology. On average, an "NP" station is the host for 600 to 650 ocean depth measurements, 3500 to 3900 complex meteorology measurements, 1200 to 1300 temperature measurements and sea water probes for chemical analysis, 600 to 650 research balloon launches. Magnetic, ionosphere, ice and other observations are also carried out there. Regular measurements of the ice floe coordinates provide the data on the direction and speed of its drift. The modern "NP" drifting ice station resembles a small settlement with housing for polar explorers and special buildings for the scientific equipment. Usually an "NP" station begins operations in April and continues for two or three years until the ice floe reaches the Greenland Sea. Polar explorers are substituted yearly. Since 1937 some 800 people were drifting at "NP" stations.

As you can see(in the bold type area), they have collected huge data sets every year. Data that includes more than just simple temperature readings but also ice thickness and other water tests. You know, the stuff they(the COP people) claim is all relevant to our changing environment. So what's a good reason to not use the russian data? Maybe because they know it doesn't go with what they are pushing. I bet Russia would like warmer climate, Siberia has yet to warm up.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by LordBaskettIV]

reply to post by LordBaskettIV

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I'm pretty sure they are only talking about temperature stations, not ocean depth or ice thickness or anything else.

I can be corrected on this.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by henriquefd

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A star for an honest, simple view on the issue. You haven’t pretended to understand complicated graphs, nor claimed to have read and understood mountains of data... just told it as you see it with your own eyes... nice one

Too many people confidently regurgitate second hand information as if they know what they are talking about... Not many people on this site are climatologists yet they confidently make bold statements about this issue!!!

And I am talking about both sides of the argument... I would love to see more honesty!!

It really scares me that people are prepared to take gambles with our life support system because they are frightened of having to change the way they live and because they are too arrogant to admit that they really don’t know the truth.

Thanks for a refreshingly honest post


With regards to the OP... i see it like this... it means nothing...

If the Russian scientists had said that they had found evidence that supports the MMCC theory then people would be saying "Those Russians are at it again... they are just saying this because they will gain from Cap and Trade... You can’t trust them... they are so corrupt" etc... It is simply a case of getting into bed with anyone who happens agree with your own personal belief.

I've even seen people praising Nick Griffin (the leader of the British far right political party BNP) for his comments claiming MMCC is a scam.

For me, as someone who does believe in MMCC, if Nick Griffin stepped forward and said that MMCC was fact I would do everything to distance myself from the vile little creep. Just because he happens to agree with one of the things I believe does not make him a friend of mine!!!

But it seems to me that people are so desperate, when it comes to this issue, that they will happily accept allies were ever they can get them... regardless of what other principles they have to sell out!!

So now its

“All hail the glorious Russian truth tellers and their free and incorruptible scientists”


Just my opinion... i mean no offence to anyone


[edit on 17-12-2009 by Muckster]

Too many people regurgitate second hand information? Of course people are going to have opinions, based on second hand information. This is how society comes to decisions, by basing them on the quality of information brought to them by "experts" in any number of scientific or political arenas.
I'm not a doctor, but I know too much salt is bad for me, because of the arguments they've made to convince me of it, etc.

The bullying tactics employed by the globalist AGW supporters is almost undeniable, therefore, the integrity of the information being used by such entities that are named in the article could, and definately should, be questioned. This is especially true because NOTHING like cap'nhagen would ever occur unless financially, someone was making money, and conversely, the taxpayer was losing it.

With scientists in russia substantiating claims by phil jones of cru (in hacked emails) that data is being cherrypicked, it stands to reason that it's not the first, only, or last time such deceit is being practiced.

In court, evidence obtained from compromised sources is inadmissable.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by heyo]

reply to post by heyo

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It seems the only country who scientists, ever seem to tell the truth is russia. they are not being held down by money from groups controlling the people in the west.

reply to post by andy1033

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In many threads pertaining to many different conspiracies, I've been noticing an anti-globalist stance from Russia as well. It's rumoured that Putin is anti-NWO, so he probably sees this for what it is.

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