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Pastor predicted the rise of Barack Obama as the Antichrist way back in 1970 !!!

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posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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"If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Psalms 66:18

“For I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in; I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me...I tell you whenever you do these things for the least important of these followers of mine, you did it for me.” -- Matthew 25:35-40

"Give us each day our daily bread. " - Luke 11:2

"You give them something to eat." - Mark 6:37

"I want you to share your bread with the hungry, open your homes to the homeless poor, remove the yoke of injustice

and let the opressed go free." - Isaiah 58

“He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them he has set the world.”- 1 Samuel 2:8-8

“Since there will never cease to be some in need on the earth, I therefore command you, ‘Open your hand to the poor and needy neighbor in your land." - Deuteronomy 15:11-11

“What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill," and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.” - James 2:14-17

“If there is among you anyone in need ... do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor. You should rather open your hand, willingly lending enough to meet the need, whatever it may be.” - Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us - and we ought to lay down our lives for one another. How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses to help?” - 1 John 3:16-17

"Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." - John 6:35

"Speak out for those who cannot speak, for the rights of the destitute. Speak out, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the poor and needy." - Proverbs 31:8-9

“A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others

will himself be refreshed. “

--Proverbs 11:25

“... let us love, not just in word or speech, but in truth and action.” I John 3:18

“Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.” Matthew 5:16

"Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain." -- 1 Corinthians 15:58

“But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only…” -- James 1:22




posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."

-Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

-Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

-Matthew 6:24


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"

-Matthew 19:23-24

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"

-Matthew 25:41-45

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."

-Proverbs 17:5

"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."

-Proverbs 22:16


"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"

-Matthew 19:21

"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."

-Proverbs 28:27

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6 :9-10

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."

-1 Timothy 6:17-19

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

-Ezekiel 16:49

"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."

-Proverbs 22:2

"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."

-Proverbs 14:31

"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."

-Proverbs 22 :9

"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."

-Proverbs 28:6

"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."

-Proverbs 28:20

"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."

-Proverbs 29 :7

"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."

-Proverbs 11:4

"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."

-Proverbs 22:22-23


[edit on 12/15/2009 by skunknuts]



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."

-Proverbs 23:4-5

"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."

-Ecclesiastes 5:10

"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."

-Proverbs 22:1

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."

-Deuteronomy 15:11

"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."

-Hebrews 13:5

"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."

-Psalm 14:6


"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."

-Proverbs 19:17

"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."

-Proverbs 28:11


"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."

-Proverbs 21:6


"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."

-Proverbs 18:11



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and give unto God what is God's.

Think not that I came to send peace on the world. I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Your cited quotes deal with helping the needy out of the goodness of your own heart, not inventing government programs that steal more and more money from the people. What you call a "health care system" is a lie designed to line the pockets of government bureaucrats.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and give unto God what is God's.

Think not that I came to send peace on the world. I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Your cited quotes deal with helping the needy out of the goodness of your own heart, not inventing government programs that steal more and more money from the people. What you call a "health care system" is a lie designed to line the pockets of government bureaucrats.

— Doc Velocity



According to the Pauline version of Christianity (as interpreted by many in the "Religious Right" today), faith in Jesus is all that is needed. While according to Jesus and the Ebionites (the Original Apostles and their followers), living a good life (works) is the key.

From Paul we hear:

Rom 10:13
13 ...Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.


But Jesus states:

Matt 7:21
21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and give unto God what is God's.

Think not that I came to send peace on the world. I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Your cited quotes deal with helping the needy out of the goodness of your own heart, not inventing government programs that steal more and more money from the people. What you call a "health care system" is a lie designed to line the pockets of government bureaucrats.

— Doc Velocity


Or as James (the brother of Jesus and the leader of the Ebionites) put it:

James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Now, the "Religious Right" will counter with quotes from Paul's letters or--most famously--John 3:16, which they claim as proof that the way to get to Heaven is through faith in Jesus rather than works:


John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(KJV)


I could point out that Paul never met the historical Jesus and that the Gospel of John was written decades after the death of Jesus and was, therefore, the one that was most influenced by the teachings of Paul. However, I don't need to do that because Jesus--in very straightforward language--settles the argument for me.

Jesus' emphasis on works as the route to heaven (rather than faith in Jesus) is found in one of the most well known but probably least understood portions of the New Testament. That is the story of the "Good Samaritan." Over the years, the term "Good Samaritan" has become so watered down that the original moral message of the story has been lost to many people. "Good Samaritan" has come to be applied to anyone who does a good deed. There are even "Good Sam" clubs that are organized to help fellow travelers. What has been forgotten by most people over the years is the fact that the Jews (and the lawyer that Jesus was talking to was a Jew) hated the Samaritans! It was not merely a stranger that helped the injured man after pious members of the lawyers own religion ignored him (a priest and a Levite). It was a SAMARITAN!! A follower of a false religion; a person that most Jews would have nothing to do with; a SAMARITAN!!

In Jesus' time, this must have been a real shocker! The impact would have been similar to Jesus today telling a Fundamentalist Christian the story of the "Good Muslim" or the "Good Mormon" or even (gasp!), "The Good Atheist." With this in mind, let's look at the story of "The Good Samaritan":

Luke 10:25-37
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise. (KJV)


"Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" What a find! A clear cut question that received a clear cut answer. No mysteries, no need to search for hidden meaning (even though some religious leaders today, who must know better, seem unwilling to point this out), just a straightforward answer to the age old question of works vs. faith!

"Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"


There are many answers that Jesus could have given to this question.

He could have said:

"You shall accept me as your personal Lord and Savior!"


But he didn't say that.

He could have said:

"Believe in me, for I will be a sacrifice that will take away all of your sins!"


But he didn't say that.

He could have said:

"Have faith in me, for my death will allow all those who believe in me to enter into eternal life!"


But he didn't say that.

What he did say was that you should love God and love your neighbor!

The lawyer then asks a question that leads to a definitive answer to the question of "Works vs. Faith."

The lawyer asks:
"And who is my neighbour?"

"And who is my neighbor?" I may never tell another lawyer joke! This simple question leads us to the most definitive answer possible, and it comes directly from Jesus.

Now, Jesus could have said:

"Your neighbor is he who shares your faith in me!"


But he didn't say that.

He could have said:

"Your neighbor is he who shares your religious views!"


But he didn't say that.

He could have said:

"Your neighbor is anyone you like and respect!"


But he didn't say that.

What he did say, was that the lawyer answered correctly when he said that the neighbor was:

"He that shewed mercy on him."


Not the people of FAITH (the priest and the Levite), but the person of WORKS (who showed love and kindness to his fellow human being). And this person was not even a person who did his Works because of his Faith, he was, rather, a non-believer; a Samaritan!

Jesus then gives a very straightforward instruction to the lawyer who has asked how to get to Heaven:

"Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise. "


"GO, AND DO THOU LIKEWISE."!! What a wondrous instruction! Even an old "heathen" like myself can add a hearty, AMEN!



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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And one more thing...

An atheist who quotes the Bible still aint goin' to Heaven.

— Doc Velocity







[edit on 12/15/2009 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by skunknuts



According to the Pauline version of Christianity (as interpreted by many in the "Religious Right" today), faith in Jesus is all that is needed. While according to Jesus and the Ebionites (the Original Apostles and their followers), living a good life (works) is the key.

From Paul we hear:

Rom 10:13
13 ...Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.



That is BEFORE DEATH.



But Jesus states:

Matt 7:21
21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


That is AFTER DEATH.
We don't need Communism to do good deeds.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Where's his "fierce countenance?" Where is his being "without regard for women"? Nope,sorry, OP, I don't buy it.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
And one more thing... An atheist who quotes the Bible still aint goin' to Heaven. — Doc Velocity





That is the most ludicrous statement ever, probably even more-so from an atheist's standpoint.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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I am wondering how many have predicted the antichrist back in the 1970 with different descriptions?

This pastor might have hit a winning lottery.

Think about this. There are thousands of pastors who are nuts about predicting the antichrist back in 1970's.

Read about the Law of large numbers



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by skunknuts
That is the most ludicrous statement ever, probably even more-so from an atheist's standpoint.


I figured an atheist would say that.

I was an "atheist" — or, more properly, a "God hater" — for some two decades of my life. I was turned around by actual good works and charity, not by a jerry-rigged government program that only taught dependence on the government.

I've met atheists (or "God haters") such as yourself a thousand times or more in my life, atheists who collect scripture and attempt to use it to justify their political agendas. You've got quite a surprise coming, I can tell you.

But, when Judgement Day comes, there's still hope for you. All you have to do is call on the name of the Lord, and mean it, and you'll be saved. Fact is, you're already forgiven, but you still need to earn it. Quoting scripture doesn't mean anything if you're doing it for Earthly gain.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 12/15/2009 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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So, this is pretty crazy. I think that the yes we can video is damn near conclusive proof. But, who knows until something really happens.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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When did ATS become bible verse smackdown? Debates are great, religion makes me want to run. Obama the AC? Nah, I don't think so.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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JESUS. when I read threads like this on ATS I remember why I don't visit as much. Religion really does make people completely insane and I don't think posters even know how crazy they sound. scary, sad stuff.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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After listening, it is evident he's not talking about Obama...

at the 11 second mark of the videotape, the preacher says..."...at the end of the Tribulation...there is only One left --- The Revived Western Power.., the Western Confederacy...The United States Of Europe, if you will...Under The AntiChrist..."


He then goes on about the antichrist in Europe most likely being black (or at least of color & not caucasian-white)


Oops, i left out:

Naw, the bombastic, rabble rousing evangelism is not linking the USA or Obama to the end-time antiChrist, but it was entertaining !




[edit on 16-12-2009 by St Udio]



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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Sorry to say this.

The holy books prophecies of both Christianity and Islam mention that
1. Antichrist will rule from Israel. Obama is still in USA.
2. Antichrist will win the hearts of people around the world. His charm/offer will be extremely diffcult to resist. I still find Obama as another lame US President.

Sorry Obama is definitely not the Antichrist. It's still a long way to go.



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by skunknuts

*would Jesus want universal health care for the sick, average, young and old of God's earthly children?

I bet so.

*would Jesus advocate for war in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Hell no.

*would Jesus approve of a massive tax cut for the richest among us?

Hell no.

*would Jesus say that a health care system should be for profit?

Never.

*would Jesus approve of the death penalty?

Never.


*would Jesus lock-up people for smoking marijuana?

Not a chance.

*would Jesus mock a presidential candidate for being a community organizer?

Hmmm, Jesus did criticize the leadership. He did not Mock them though.




posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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I believe the anti-christ will come and Obama is certainly a good start but (calling a spade a spade) he wasn't the only 9 yr. old in the world at his time. There are many that could have been groomed since then. The antichrist will be lauded and seemingly perfect.....Obama is really screwing up lately, hardlt a master of evil...just a participant.



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