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I think the emails you published here made that go quiet
Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by jackphotohobby
I think the emails you published here made that go quiet
you believe in fake emails ?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I know there have been threads regarding this incident but i don't think this latest high end footage has been posted yet as i did a search for it but if it has you can remove it....
You did check with the first-hand witnesses to get their take on the stuff, didn't you?
What did they tell you?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by ProRipp
What can't be refuted are the words of the astronauts and these are the bits that i'm interested in ! 'we've had VISITORS again' ? The word to look for here is AGAIN ! WTF !
Where are those words documented?
115:03:24 Mitchell: Well, let's see...We've had visitors again.
115:03:28 Shepard: Yeah. Hardly worth mentioning.
115:03:33 Mitchell: Agree. (Pause)
[Jones - "I had heard that the backup crew had put greetings in lots of places on the spacecraft. Did you just find one on the MET?"]
[Mitchell - "I think what we're talking about there is one of their patches, because they put the goddamn things all over the spacecraft and, whenever we opened up something, there would be one of them. It had a Roadrunner on it and was a parody of our patch."]
[The exchange 'Visitors...hardly worth mentioning,' is, of course, a very dry, joking dismissal of the backup crew.]
"I think what we're talking about there"
Originally posted by JimOberg
Thanks. Shocking revelation of alien reality. Jeez lou-weeez.
Originally posted by Mr_skepticc
reply to post by easynow
Call me crazy, I still can't get over some of the stuff I seen or heard on that video, just amazing, lol.
I'd love to think something IS out there but i need real proof !
Originally posted by JimOberg
I think it always helps the more you talk with direct witnesses and understand the illumination context of an event, the activities surrounding an interesting video, and the judgments of people who deal with unusual environments, about interpreting sensory input.
It's also important to assessa person's track record in candor, perception, completeness, and accuracy. Some patterns can be detected that are fairly consistent.
The striking 'ordinariness' of these shuttle videos to the hundreds of people who have experienced them on-orbit or through data links to Mission Control, and their genuine puzzlement -- and not a little amusement -- at how bizarrely the videos and their own professional context has been misunderstood and misrepresented, is also a theme that bears repeating.
Pay attention to the people screaming "Liar! Liar!" the loudest. They're usually the ones you have to pay closest attention to, it's been my experience.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Here's the responses from Musgrave and Jones:
From: Thomas Jones To: James Oberg Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Oberg's solution to the STS-80 'UFO' video
Dear Jim,
Your essay on explaining the "unexplained" STS-80 particle motions (thought by some video enthusiasts to be UFO sightings) is "dead on." You've taken the time to dissect a beautiful scene from Columbia in 1996 and patiently analyze what we crewmembers took for granted: that ice and exhaust particles falling along with the orbiter sometimes drift across the TV field of view, and then get propelled away by thruster pulses. Nothing exotic, but beautiful to watch from the grand windows of the space shuttle. Story Musgrave and I spent many an orbit watching the stars, the Milky Way, the air glow, meteors burning up below us, lightning, and moon-lit clouds, and were amazed at the spectacle of it all. Truly mesmerizing -- and completely explainable in every regard.
Best wishes,
Tom Jones
Originally posted by spacevisitor
My question is, why is it so difficult for Houston and the astronauts to pinpoint out where exactly the Russian space MIR station is?
Houston said; it would be difficult to pick Mir out from the stars as they pass behind this, but it cannot all be stars, because if I am right you cannot see stars in front of the Earth, and some of those lights are moving and flashing also.
Or could it be because of those ice and exhaust particles Tom said which falling along with the orbiter sometimes drift across the TV field of view which the crewmembers as Tom said took for granted and are nothing exotic.
But the astronauts as well as Houston doesn't mentioned anything about that phenomenon.
Originally posted by JimOberg
I'm presuming the shuttle has its own payload bay lights on so Mir can see it if they cared to look (I can't figure out why -- shuttle has already left and isn't coming back) -- that would be the source of illumination of the small moving dots crossing the screen.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Following separation from a docked phase, the shuttle performs various dumps and purges once it's clear of the contamination zone of the station -- blizzards of junk are typical.
Originally posted by JimOberg
But it was all just sightseeing anyway, not mission critical activities.
Why do the billion-dollar space shuttles have such crappy cameras?
Originally posted by antideceit
Stephen Scott Oswald from Bellingham Wa. (my home town),
piloted a few missions and still works for NASA as a deputy director administrator.
He has been asked a few times publicly about seeing alien spacecraft while on the shuttle and he was pretty upset about even being asked.. He is very very afraid of saying anything in the slightest that would confirm anything. I have seen him on one of those occasions and he also tried debunking all of the questions ask of him about this. The current mandate at NASA is to still deny and ridicule most everything while at the same time letting some stuff slip through it seems. There are also a few different factions within NASA all with different views about disclosure i think... based on Oswalds prior reactions I would say they are forbidden under serious threat to keep their damn mouths shut tight