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It's going to get brutal on The Hill before recess...

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posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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The forces that be are about to clash on the grounds of Capital Hill. The anger is oozing from both sides of the Healthcare Reform issue. Lieberman is feeling the wraith of Soros and MoveOn.org right now.


A liberal activist group plans to hold an “emergency rally” outside the White House Tuesday afternoon to protest any move by Democrats to eliminate the “public option” from the Senate health care bill.

MoveOn.org is calling on President Barack Obama to “step up” and “stand up” to Sen. Joe Lieberman – “and fight for health care reform with a public option.”

Sen. Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, says he will join a Republican filibuster unless Democrats drop a provision that would allow uninsured Americans as young as 55 to purchase coverage under Medicare. Lieberman said expanding Medicare would be “extremely expensive.”

Lieberman also opposes a government-run health insurance plan (the so-called public option).

MoveOn.org pointed to news reports saying that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to give up on the public option and on expanding Medicare in order to get Lieberman's vote.


They are getting desperate now. Obama is meeting with all 60 Senate Democrats in closed door White House meeting today. Way to keep it open President Obama. How about inviting the Republicans as well.

On the same day we also have this going on in DC.

Conservatives will make a stand for “health care freedom” on Capitol Hill Tuesday.

The ‘Code Red’ rally, organized by Americans for Prosperity, begins at 1:30 p.m. – thirty minutes after liberals gather at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue to press Democrats for government-run health insurance.

The group attributes the delay in passing a health care bill to Americans who insist that Congress should rip up the current version and start again. The point of Tuesday’s rally is to “tell the Senate to keep their hands off our health care.”


This should get interesting in the days to come.

www.cnsnews.com...

www.cnsnews.com...


On a side note, if you fall into the following category like I do, You had better open your wallet to the tune of $15,200.00 with this current version of Obamacare moves through. This bill does not require employers to provide healthcare coverage. This provides an open door for the employer to save money and to force us all into this...


A family of four—two parents and two children—earning $88,200 would be at 400 percent of the poverty level this year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. A family of four earning $88,201, therefore, would not be eligible for a federal subsidy to buy insurance under the Senate health-care bill. If the mother and father in such a family could not get employer-based health insurance—because their employers decided not to buy their workers insurance—the family would be required by law to purchase a policy with its own money that would cost an estimated $15,200 per year, according to the CBO.

www.cnsnews.com...

Will this bill come with a free/subsidized tub of Vaseline?



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posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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I find it funnier than h--l is how the Demo's and Mainstream media keep on trying to paint the Repubs as the problem.

Appartently they forgot of the stories they spewed out right aftert the Elections which indicated: the end days of the Repub party, they are useless as we are the majority and can do whatever we want and can't be stopped, WE WON, to the victors go the spoils.... and on and on.

Time for the people to get even more vocal and oppose this health care reform crap (the way they are trying to do it-taking it over).

Palin in 2012 baby.....



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Good Thread. Flag+Star. I'm a member of a family with ALOT of healthcare workers within it. We have six MD's , two DDO's, two LPN's, three RN's, two BSN's.
The conversations on healthcare reform have been very open and direct.
The government will never get a control on it. This is only an attempt at getting at the money within the industry. It is not designed to help anyone other than those seeking the cash.
$400 for 800mg of Tylenol,
$2,300 for 1oz of bone cement (epoxy)is a good place to start.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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I can't believe the America I live in.The health care situation is not going to obama's liking so he is going to "invite" (is anybody gonna say no?) decenters to a private meeting in the white house where he will threaten and bribe the members of his own party to vote against their beliefs.What ever happened to playing fair? What ever happened to losing with dignity?What ever happened to dignity?

How a man handles adversity and defeat says alot about his character.
I am not impressed with obama's character.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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I'm sure that Obama will be handing out earmarks to those that are willing to make their mark in blood on this legislation. Is it really worth selling one's soul to Obama? I suppose we can ask former reform opposition Mary L. Landrieu. She was bought with only $300 million. That's cheap in an administration that throws around Billions of dollars like Vanilla Wafers.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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On a side note, if you fall into the following category like I do, You had better open your wallet to the tune of $15,200.00 with this current version of Obamacare moves through. This bill does not require employers to provide healthcare coverage. This provides an open door for the employer to save money and to force us all into this...


A family of four—two parents and two children—earning $88,200 would be at 400 percent of the poverty level this year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. A family of four earning $88,201, therefore, would not be eligible for a federal subsidy to buy insurance under the Senate health-care bill. If the mother and father in such a family could not get employer-based health insurance—because their employers decided not to buy their workers insurance—the family would be required by law to purchase a policy with its own money that would cost an estimated $15,200 per year, according to the CBO.

www.cnsnews.com...

Will this bill come with a free/subsidized tub of Vaseline?



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Yikes, sounds like you should be pushing for a strong public option, or even better, a single-payer option. I'm confident that you already pay enough in taxes that you have earned the right to have access to health care for you and your family. I mean, if you want to keep having up to 35% of your health care dollars going to nothing more than padding the profit of a corporation that exists for the sole purpose of making a profit, fine; but I think health care should be viewed more as a regulated utility. I'm not a socialist, but I also don't think that everything in this world has to be for profit.

Best,
Skunknuts



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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No thanks! Keep your public option. I want to keep the excellent coverage that I currently have. Low co pays, reasonable prescription coverage and 100% in network coverage. I don't need referrals to see a specialist either.

A public option will collapse the system. Our so called leaders in DC need to attack reform on a step by step basis. BABY STEPS. Instead, they are looking for some miracle panacea all wrapped up into a giant monstrosity of red tape and endless costs without even a reasonable notion regarding how they will pay for everything.

Identify the problems with our system first and fix them one by one. Why the rush? Fixing the system is like building a house. You must start with firm foundation before anything else can be built and added on.

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posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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A firm foundation for the citizenry feeling free to exercise their freedom is a basic system for providing health care for everyone. How many people are stuck at dead-end jobs, instead of creating small businesses? How many people can't take the risk of going back to school, as in today's economy an employer-based system is nothing more than a pair of shackles limiting one's freedom? For god's sake, can we at least agree that ALL children deserve to have access to health care, NO MATTER WHAT? As much as you can dehumanize people you see as worthless sponges, can we at least agree that god's children who don't have health care are not responsible for their situation, and deserve better? Basic preventative medicine is cheaper in the long-run anyway. Your case for delay would be more reasonable if it wasn't for history, as well as the rest of the developed world having already figured out a better way. I'm glad your personal situation feels stable, but there really isn't anything moral, or of a higher calling and purpose to base the system as a whole on your potentially transient stability. Of course, it's your right to be selfish, in fact, the powers that be whole-heartedly encourage it, so you are being a good soldier.

Best,
SN

[edit on 12/15/2009 by skunknuts]



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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What child in this country is declined health care? Even the illegals get it........just more liberal spewing.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by genius/idoit
 


I'm sure that Obama will be handing out earmarks to those that are willing to make their mark in blood on this legislation. Is it really worth selling one's soul to Obama? I suppose we can ask former reform opposition Mary L. Landrieu. She was bought with only $300 million. That's cheap in an administration that throws around Billions of dollars like Vanilla Wafers.


I agree.

This bill is no longer about improving healthcare, instead, adding whatever pork is neccessary to get the 60 votes needed.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
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What child in this country is declined health care? Even the illegals get it........just more liberal spewing.




Why don't you look at your signature, think about it, and then attend one of those free clinics they hold when enough money is raised??!!



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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ALL children of low income parents in the U.S. gets Medicaid!
So, what about free health clinics?



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Again, no child in the U.S. is denied.......go to any emergency room, you'll be treated. Maybe not in the manner as a paying customer, but they will not be denied care.



posted on Dec, 15 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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i would probably support something that was specific to children getting free health care if not covered by their parents insurance. Aside from preventative medicine and checkups i don't believe that children who are sick are denied treatment in this country. Mercy hospitals and the state steps in at some point.

I don't support a government controlled health care for everyone though. Not because i don't believe it would be a good thing to have, but because i don't believe the government can do it. Historically, everything they have ever done is incredibly inefficient and expensive. Why wouldn't health care be the same?



posted on Dec, 16 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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I have stated in my other posts that our system certainly does need to be fixed. However, they are currently taking the wrong approach. The majority of Americans don't want what has been cooked up. We need to be conservative and address each major issue individually. If a particular solution fails, there will be far less clean up in the long run because it only deals with a small aspect.

This current legislation is so massive that any failures along the way will have a devastating domino effect throughout the plan. The scale of this legislation is so grand that it will take about 4 years just to create, staff and launch the program. We still don't know how much this will cost in the long run nor to we know what will be cut back in other programs that currently exist. If anything, this program will do nothing but create more overpaid federal jobs in an ever swelling bureaucracy.

Bottom line is that we cannot afford this right now. We are knee deep in a recession and hyper inflation is knocking on our back door. It is time to reign in spending and reign in this program.

Start from scratch. This time listen to what the American people want. Listen to what the doctors want. Do what is best for America!! Not what is best for Obama's EGO.

WHY the RUSH? Why ram something through so huge without giving it proper consideration? They are trying to ram a .12 shell into a .410 barrell.

I truly believe that Obama is trying to use this to drive the final wedge that will divide the nation once again.



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