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Originally posted by coldweather
So the previous posters who supported the killing of Muslims, just be aware that you are waging war and when you wage a war there will be retaliation. You are not the knights in shining armor like you imagine yourselves to be. You are just a greedy nation serving it's own interests in oil and other commodities.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
This is a rather popular misconception. While the treatment of Palestinians seems inhumane now, these forms of control never used to be in existence. Before the events of the 2nd Intifada, there were no block-aids, house raids, checkpoints, searches or walls. All of these measures were brought into to place after the events that transpired in the 2nd Intifada.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
I agree that a sovereign Palestinian state would be a good step towards healing the wounds of the people living in the region. But how will Jerusalem be divided? How much of the region of Israel will need to be sacrificed for this state? Does Israel have a right to exist alongside this state? Do you think Palestinians would accept and respect Israel's existence? Certain Palestinians and some of their supporters believe that Israel has no right to exist and ALL the land should be returned. How can Israel and Palestine coexist when people in the region have this mindset?
For many, a sovereign Palestinian state will not be enough. According to these people there can never be peace as long as Israel exists. Israel's existence as a whole is seen as an occupying force that has no right to be living where they are. The right of a Jewish nation to exist in the ME will always be seen as a thorn in the heart of Muslim lands.
How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty?
It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict.
No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate?
A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East. We are frequently told that we must sympathize with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. [...] What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy.
The US wasn't in Afghanistan when we got attacked. The US wasn't in Iraq when we got attacked. The US wasn't in Kuwait, or Palestine, or Iran when we got attacked. Since we went in to Afghanistan and Iraq, the US hasn't been attacked.So maybe the reason the US got attacked is that we just weren't killing enough Muslims?
Originally posted by Pryde87
The whole problem with Muslim extremism is a result of a society that conforms to both extreme left and extreme right viewpoints. The government has confused itself. On one hand it goes to war, but has so many contradicting left wing extreme attitudes that it cant effectively win a war. When you go to war, the aim should be to destroy your enemy. War is a nasty thing and can only be won in that way. You find your enemy and you kill him. But our governments half hearted attempt at war has just added fuel to the fire. Your enemy cant retaliate if he is dead, but if you simply walz into someones country take out the leadership, spank a few bottoms and leave again, you make a lot of people angry who still have the ability to hit back. Muslim extremists can only be ruled by tyranny and fear. Sadam Hussein although he did many barbaric things, did those things because he knew how to control his people. Democracy and western values do not translate to all cultures. The people in these countries do not have the correct basic values to uphold such a free system. They simply abuse it and turn it against the government. Its like if someone tried to implement sharia law in the US. How long do you think that would last?
I am not anti muslim or anti west, but this whole thing will not end until we either drop the lame left wing human rights issues (i.e execute terrorists and get a more heavy handed approach) or leave the muslim world to their fate and isolate them. Let them be.
Originally posted by Drexl
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I saw that film too. Those were those christian sects in Texas . Scarey stuff .
Originally posted by Drexl
Do you americans have any kind of bona fide proof of any so called muslim terrorists coming to your shores and blowing up stuff . I don't mean these patsy's the fbi catch within their own controlled pseudo terrorist event that they recruit these people to take part in and later on catch just in time to prevent their own fabricated terrorism event . Not 9 /11 , even the FBi haven't ascertained proof that it was Bin Laden . Thats all just hearsay , product of dodgy video tapes and just general mythology .
[edit on 15-12-2009 by Drexl]
Originally posted by boniknik
They weren't in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Palestine or Iran, but it is the US support for the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinian that led to 9/11. If the US will continue to support Israel, expect another 9/11.
Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by gdeed
No that is propaganda, Islam is not the fastest growing religion. They are having more babies than non-muslims which accounts for the majority of their increase, while non-muslims are having fewer babies than ever before.
[edit on 16-12-2009 by Bombeni]
Originally posted by gdeed
Go into any city in America and especially public housing and it is obvious who is producing the most children on the public dime.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by pujols5
Well you fail to point out the group behind these actions, you simple put up a list of tragedies and blame them on the taliban and alaqeda, very good, oh how so very american of you, i can do the same thingn, here for example
Actually YOU fail to see that if allied soldiers participate in attrocious acts they are charged, and put in prison.... Meanwhile Islamic extremists are glorified for killing innocent people..... Humm...what a big difference heh?....
BTW, Al Qaeda took blame for those attacks.....but I guess according to you Al Qaeda were lying when they said that....
Not to mention the dozens, upon dozens of videos of Islamic extremists making comments on how they want to kill innocent civilians...
And of course, that's without mentioning that Islamic extremists have alsim and are still murdering many moderate Muslims because they don't follow the extremist ways...
Originally posted by ReAlIzAtIoN
They attacked us on 9/11 because we've been over there for over 10 years bombing them, building our bases, and teaching them how to live. Talk about extremists, we have extremists in all religions. For example, us a supposedly a Christian Nation, when we drop a bomb over there and disintegrate women and children, we are being extreme as well. They are cutting our heads while we are blowing innocent families to piece, I just don't see the difference between the two. I think that Middle Eastern politics is very complicated, something we can't fathom and we need to stay out of there. If we didn't entangle ourselves in their lives, I'm positive they would stay out of our lives. We have the most sophisticated army and weapons, something that they lack... do you think they would really want to attack us just because they hate our freedoms? We've attacked Iraq for all the wrong reasons, and war on terror is nothing but nonsense, why you may ask? Well, what does war on terror mean exactly? There are no clear enemies, this war can last 20 year, 50 years, or ever 100 years. We need to mind our own business, leave the people there alone, I'm sure they know how to handle themselves as they've been doing with our invasion of Iraq, they've handled themselves pretty well if you ask me. We need to focus on what's going on within our own soil! We have too man problems that need adjustment and need some clear direction for the better.
Originally posted by pujols5
Who ever said that if you kill an innocent person you will get glorified.