If You Want to Stop Terrorism, Stop Killing Muslims!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by ugie1028

 

Really?... Is that why the Muslims as they merged the different tribes under Islam in the 7th century and decided to finally follow Muhammed's order to spread Islam by the sword, andwent ahead to conquer the Middle East, and part of Europe?...

I guess that must have been for the "good of the people of the world"...

The first crusades were caused by the converted Islamic Muslims.

Not to mention the fact that one of the major wars which the U.S., and part of Europe had to fight was in the Barbaric wars, because Muslim nations in North Africa were attacking European, and American ships going back and forth.

That also must have been "for the good of all"....

Yes, there are many good Muslims, but there are others who still follow the old ways, and the old ways tell them to spread Islam by any means, including mayor Jihad if necessary....

One more thing, why is it that the mayority of the tribes in Iraq, and other surrounding areas decided to unite and attack, and defend themselves against the Muslim extremists?....

Iraqi Tribes Turn on al Qaeda

September 22, 2006: Coalition forces in Iraq have suddenly received the manpower equivalent of three light infantry divisions. They did not suffer any repercussions in domestic politics as a result, and now have a huge edge over al-Qaeda in al-Anbar province. How did this happen? Tribal leaders in the largely Sunni province on the Syrian border got together and signed an agreement to raise a tribal force of 30,000 fighters to take on foreign fighters and terrorists.

These leaders have thrown in with the central government in Baghdad. This is a decisive blow to al Qaeda, which has been desperately trying to fight off an Iraqi government that is getting stronger by the week. Not only are the 30,000 fighters going to provide more manpower, but these tribal fighters know the province much better than American troops - or the foreign fighters fighting for al Qaeda. Also, this represents just over 80 percent of the tribes in al-Anbar province now backing the government.
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www.strategypage.com...

This man in the OP has no idea what he is talking about.

[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Really, is that why indonesia has the highest population of muslims in the world. What army went and conquered indonesia. Actually the crusades was started by the christians who first decided on a secret attack on the muslim, read the history books(not the one's you're fed in high school or college). What is the problem with the taliban signing an agreement with syria with 30,000 troops, remember those are the one'es fighting fot iraq and afghanistan. those who the american government say they are going after. But the matter of the fact is all these people being killed are just civilians fighting fot their country, and are not involved with the taliban and alqaeda and just want america to leave their country. If you want o know what was spread by the sword, look no further then christian leaders, charlemagne killed a lot of people because they refused to convert. also, the spanish conquistadores forced christianity upon the natives of north and south america. Or how about paul when he said to not spare anyone, no women,men,childrn,old or anyone and kill them if they don't accept christianity. Tell me about jerusalem when the christians occupied it they killed the muslims and threw them out, but when the muslims occupied it that was the only time where jews and christians all lived peacefully, again read the history books, not the one's being fed to you in highschool or college. Or how about WW1, AND WW2 these two wars themselves are a reason on how the so called "christian" nations are peacefull.Go learn

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You have no idea what is happening over there, there have been troops that have been injured, and even died trying to save Iraqi people....

Nice of you to remind us of that. Please send the condolences cards to George W. Bush. Somewhere in Texas.

The fact of the matter is that there are rules to how the Universe works. Newton's 3rd Law:

"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

The people need to take back their nations from extremist idiot. Both sides. I believe that these people really want to live in peace. It's the morons in gov't that are keeping hostilities alive. Jeez, back off and let the children live for Scott Baio's sake.

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reply to post by johnny2127


reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by jpmail
So let me get this right we stop killing them they stop killing us.

Sounds fare but why then do they kill as many of there own.

A valid question. Casualty numbers of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom differ in the tens of thousands (coming from different measurements and organizations) - not all deaths are reported (see here).
However, most of the reported casualties can be viewed on iCasualties; for example the casualties of november 2009.
As is evident in the descriptions of all the casualties, most of the incidents are related to car bombs or otherwise planted bombs. Of course the US army does not engage in such activities. So who are those 'gunmen' in almost every description - and why are they seemingly attacking one another?

Of course as always, the parties attacking each other do so because they perceive themselves to be better. Those parties are the Sunnis (Sunni islam) and the Shiis (Shia islam), as every American should know by now; they have been at each other's throat since the beginning of the Safavud dynasty in the middle ages.

Surely, if this is a religious civil war between Sunnis and Shiis, there is no way we could blame the US army? Well, I will agree we cannot blame the troops, as disobeying orders is a form of treason. But the war has been fought on many different planes of society.

One indirect way in which the US has instigated atrocities between Sunnis and Shiis is through the Sahwa, which according to the link is also known as The Awakening Councils:

The Awakening Councils, or the Sahwa as they are called, are a mostly Sunni Muslim force set up by the U.S. to draw in resistance fighters into their ranks, and then to help U.S. forces fight other anti-U.S. groups.

The Sahwa have been engaged in growing conflict with the largely Shia Muslim forces of the Iraqi government.

In case you read that, you're probably wondering who would write such rubbish. Well:

*Ahmed, our correspondent in Iraq's Diyala province, works in close collaboration with Dahr Jamail, our U.S.-based specialist writer on Iraq who travels extensively in the region.

(continueing in next reply-to-quote)

Originally posted by johnny2127
There is a huge huge huge difference between extreme Muslim terrorists intentionally killing innocent men, women and children, and govt militaries fighting one another. The vast majority of innocents killed by US forces is due to our enemies using civilians as shields, and as a political tool to rally support.

As mentioned earlier, most of the casualties aren't due to US forces directly. The image of an enemy using a civilian as a shield is hilarious, but this is a grave matter - and it is also more complex. There should be a huge difference as you said, but somewhere along the flow of weapons, ammo and money, the lines begin to blur. The article linked to above clearly states that the Sunnis received support from the US to form the Sahwa, or "The Awakening Councils".

(see next reply-to-quote)

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by ugie1028

 

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One more thing, why is it that the mayority of the tribes in Iraq, and other surrounding areas decided to unite and attack, and defend themselves against the Muslim extremists?....

Iraqi Tribes Turn on al Qaeda
[..]Tribal leaders in the largely Sunni province on the Syrian border got together and signed an agreement to raise a tribal force of 30,000 fighters to take on foreign fighters and terrorists.

www.strategypage.com...

This man in the OP has no idea what he is talking about.

[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

The tribes combining forces to fight the oppression are largely Sunni - there is no magical reconciliation between Sunnis and Shiis to fight Al-Qaeda. In fact, it seems that Al-Qaeda is not much of an issue anymore - instead, those 'captain planet' tribes have gotten out of control.

As an article from Newsweek puts it :

America's efforts to disengage from Iraq have led to some messy compromises. After years of trying without success to wrest Sunni areas from Qaeda control, U.S. ground commanders appear to have done it at last—but only by granting sweeping powers to sheiks and local leaders who can keep the peace. [..] No one can say how many of these leaders abuse their powers, or if their little sectors can ever be put back under the purview of a centrally controlled government. "We are becoming like Afghanistan was in the '80s," says Zainab Salbi, the Iraq-born founder and CEO of the activist group Women for Women International.

All in all, there is truth in the statement that most casualties are the direct results muslim-to-muslim conflicts; but as it always turns out to be, reality is not black and white. The US has played an identifiable role in the tumult that envelops the daily life of Sunnis and Shiis - not just by occupation, but through support to fragments. Judge for yourself, as I will not; it seems to me that it is nearly impossible to support anyone in Iraq without automatically supporting either the Sunnis or the Shiis. In fact, most governmental and higher positions are filled by Shiis - in a way, that means that supporting the government eventually oppresses the Sunnis, and helping the Sunnis means undermining the government. As I said - it's complex, such is the nature of reality.

[edit on 15-12-2009 by scraze]

Originally posted by boniknik
reply to post by atcwatcher

 

That's the problem, you think the Muslims attacked for no reason. You assume that they hate freedom. If this is true, then why did they specifically attacked the US? Aren't there any other "freedom loving" nations?

Bin Laden himself is not denying the oppression that his own people get from their own corrupt governments. But that is their problem to fix, the problem is, the US saw how these corrupt governments are benefiting, and they want either some of that or all of it.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

He wasn't expecting that it would be so easy to attack America, he didn't expect your "commander in chief" would allow it to happen just like that. Do you really think the US government didn't have knowledge about it? They could have shot down the 2nd plane, but they didn't, and this amazes Bin Laden.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations
—all praise is due to Allah.

Learn!

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

You my friend summed it up perfectly. In fact Bin Laden has been right over the years on the u.s. He has a planon how the u.s will fall, as stated in one of the beginning posts, not in exact words but he explains how he will lead the u.s to bankruptcy, and guess what is going on right now, everything is falling into place. He is a very smart man, yet americans think he's just an idiot running around hiding in a cave. He's been right up to noe and i don't expect it to change, th u.s is dying slowly and will go bankrupt just as Bin Laden said. Open your eyes and stop listening to what the media or obama ar saying. They are brain-washing us. Bin laden knows his stuff and is yet to be wrong, as i said his goal is to bankrupt the u.s and it sure is working.

Originally posted by boniknik

That's the problem, you think the Muslims attacked for no reason. You assume that they hate freedom. If this is true, then why did they specifically attacked the US? Aren't there any other "freedom loving" nations?
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Wow... i guess you forgot Spain, and the UK among others, and I wonder also why the Islamic extremists have done the following, which are only SOME of the attacks that ONE Isla extremist group has done...

International terrorism: significant attacks associated with Al Qaida
This is a list of significant terrorist attacks from the first on the World Trade Centre in New York until that in London on 7 July. It does not include all terrorist attacks. Some of those listed were directly linked to Bin Laden or other Al Qaida leaders, but many were conducted by terrorists inspired by Al Qaida.

During this period several planned attacks which might have led to significant loss of life have also been prevented, most notably a planned attack on Strasbourg Christmas Market in December 2000 and other attacks planned a year earlier against targets in the US and Jordan.

Date of event
Location
Summary

26-Feb-93
USA (New York)
First World Trade Center bombing planned by Ramzi Youssef. 6 killed, over 1000 injured.

11-Dec-94
Philippines
Small bomb on Philippines Airlines flight; 1 Japanese businessman killed, 10 people injured.

29-Jul-95
France (Paris and Lyon)
4-month bombing campaign. Attacks on the Paris metro, the Arc de Triomphe and outside a Jewish school in Lyon.

13-Nov-95
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Car bombs at military compound.

18-Sep-97
Egypt(Cairo)
Gunmen attack a tourist bus. 9 Germans and 1 Egyptian killed.

17-Nov-97
Egypt (Luxor)
Gunmen attack tourists. c.70 killed.

7-Aug-98
Kenya (Nairobi) and Tanzania (Dar-es-Salaam)
Truck bomb attack against US embassies. Over 200 people killed, thousands injured.

12-Oct-00
Yemen
Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole in the port of Aden. 17 US soldiers killed, 39 wounded.

11-Sep-01
USA (New York and Washington)
Hijacked planes crashed into the two World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. A fourth plane crashes into a field in Pittsburgh. c. 3000 killed.

11-Apr-02
Tunisia
Vehicle bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. c.21 killed.

8-May-02
Pakistan (Karachi)
Bomb attack against bus carrying French engineers near Sheraton Hotel.

14-Jun-02
Pakistan (Karachi)
Truck bomb attack against US Consulate. 12 killed, 51 injured.

6-Oct-02
Yemen
Boat bomb attack against French oil tanker MV Limburg off Ash Shahir port. 1 killed.

12-Oct-02
Indonesia (Bali)
Attacks against US Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy’s Bar. 202 killed, including 26 Britons.

28-Nov-02
Kenya (Mombasa)
Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. 12 killed. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day.

12-May-03
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Attacks at 3 compounds housing expatriates. Over 30 killed.

16-May-03
Morocco (Casablanca)
Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish club, hotel and sites. 45 dead, c.100 injured.

5-Aug-03
Indonesia
Vehicle bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. c. 12 killed, 100 injured.

8-Nov-03
Saudi Arabia (Riyadh)
Major vehicle bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly expatriate workers from other Arab countries. 17 killed, over 80 injured.

15-Nov-03
Turkey (Istanbul)
2 vehicle bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues.

20-Nov-03
Turkey (Istanbul)
2 vehicle bombs at HSBC Bank and British Consulate. Together with 15 Nov attack, over 60 people killed (including 2 Britons).

11-Mar-04
Spain (Madrid)
Bomb attacks against 4 trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police. 199 killed.

1-May-04
Saudi Arabia (Yanbu)
Attack on expatriate oil workers. 6 foreign nationals and 1 Saudi killed.

30-May-05
Saudi Arabia (Al Khobar)
4 attacks in Al Khobbar target oil companies and compound.

9-Sep-04
Indonesia (Jakarta)
Vehicle bomb outside Australian Embassy. 9 killed, over 100 injured.

8-Oct-04
Egypt
Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at 2 campsites in the Sinai area. Over 30 killed.

28-Oct-04
Pakistan (Islamabad)
Explosion at Marriott Hotel. 7 injured.

19-Mar-05
Qatar (Doha)
Vehicle bomb attack outside the Doha Players’ Theatre. 1 (British national) killed, 12 injured.

07-Apr-05
Egypt (Cairo)
Attack near tourist bazaar in Cairo. 2 French nationals and one American killed, c.18 injured.

30-Apr-05
Egypt (Cairo)
Tourist bus fired on in Cairo. 8 injured.

07-Jul-05
UK (London)
4 explosions - 3 in tube trains, one in bus. At least 52 dead, 700 injured.

www.number10.gov.uk...

Those are some of the attacks that have been linked to Al Qaeda only, there have been other Islamic terrorist groups who have made other attacks...

And then there are the attacks that have been foiled around the world...

Thursday, March 12, 2009

AMSTERDAM: ISLAMIC TERROR ATTACK FOILED IN PLANNED EXPLOSIVE ATTACK: TARGET SHOPPING MALL

Amsterdam police foils terror attack on shopping mall
Radio Netherlands - ‎3 hours ago‎

The six men and one woman who were arrested are between 19 and 64 years of age; all of them are Dutch citizens of Moroccan origin ...


Seven people have been arrested in the Netherlands on suspicion of planning a terror attack on an Ikea furniture store and a number of shops near the Ajax stadium in the capital Amsterdam..

The arrests follow a telephone warning to Amsterdam police late on Wednesday evening, police chief Bernard Welten said on Thursday evening. The caller from Brussels said three people were planning an attack using explosive devices in or near a major department store in the southeast of Amsterdam. The aim was to cause as many casualties as possible, the caller said.

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...

09/05/2007

More Deadly than London or Madrid
Islamist Terrorists Planned Massive Attacks in Germany

By Matthias Gebauer and Yassin Musharbash in Berlin

The three suspected terrorists seized Tuesday were planning huge bomb attacks on targets in Germany. The bombs they were planning to make would have had more explosive power than those used in the Madrid and London terror attacks.

The scenarios which the highest representatives of the German security forces were describing on Wednesday morning were horrific: "Massive bomb attacks," simultaneous attacks using several car bombs and huge numbers of people killed right in the middle of Germany. Only a bold raid foiled the plans of the Islamist terrorists, according to statements made in Karlsruhe by German Federal Prosecutor Monika Harms and Jörg Ziercke, the head of Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA).
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www.spiegel.de...

Australia: Alleged terrorist plot foiled

August 4, 2009 -- Updated 1541 GMT (2341 HKT)

(CNN) -- Four suspects accused of planning to carry out a terrorist attack on a military base in Australia were arrested in early morning busts across Melbourne on Tuesday, authorities said.

Police executed 19 search warrants in nine Melbourne neighborhoods as part of the investigation into the group, which is suspected of having ties to Al-Shabaab, a Somali insurgent group with ties to al Qaeda, authorities said.

The suspects planned to storm the Australian base with automatic weapons and carry out a "sustained attack on military personnel until they themselves were killed," said Tony Negus, deputy commissioner of the Australian Federal Police.

Details about the suspects began to emerge Tuesday afternoon, with police confirming that a 25-year-old man from Glenroy was charged with conspiring to plan a terrorist act. He was expected to appear in court later in the day, authorities said.

A fifth man, a 33-year-old already in custody on other matters, was being interviewed, police said.
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edition.cnn.com...

Those are just some of the terrorist attacks foiled, there have been others in other European nations like France, and also in the U.S.

There have also been other terrorist attacks performed in other countries around the world, and there have also been some foiled attacks...

The poor Islamic terrorists...they are just misunderstood right?.......



[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Kernel Korn

Nice of you to remind us of that. Please send the condolences cards to George W. Bush. Somewhere in Texas.

Wow, good response... I guess that dismisses the fact that the other member was exagerating, and even lying since in fact there have been troops that have died trying to defend, and save Iraqis....

Originally posted by Kernel Korn
The fact of the matter is that there are rules to how the Universe works. Newton's 3rd Law:

"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

The people need to take back their nations from extremist idiot. Both sides. I believe that these people really want to live in peace. It's the morons in gov't that are keeping hostilities alive. Jeez, back off and let the children live for Scott Baio's sake.

Yep, i wonder that's why Islamic extremism has existed for over 14 centuries since the 7th century.....

Jeez, perhaps it would do you good to actually do some research instead of having just ironic responses trying to dismiss every evidence that refutes your opinion.

As for "leaving the children alone"..... You also seem to forget how Islamic extremists recruit children..... by abducting them, puting a suicide vest around them, and telling them to go towards allied troops......

I wonder who the real COWARDS are....

I guess it is better to leave the children to be trained by more Islamic extremists.....

[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by Libertygal


He calls what he wants freedom, but is it truly freedom for all or those with a penis? Freedom to press views on another is different from that which coexists and that is personal freedom.

It's a fine line that has been crossed even in the states.

Interesting posting though.

reply to post by ugie1028


It's kind of a captain obvious thing. Is it not true that if the school bully does his bully-ish things that there will be those who oppose him? The states has had a policy for over a decade that they have to police the globe. That is opposite of old school asian thought - to lead by example rather than by force. If that's how things were done for the past few decades my country would have a much different view from the world.

I see a lot of people saying these are Muslim extremists and they don't represent most Muslims.

To that I respond that Islam (religion of peace, so called) has, as it's basic belief, to kill infidels. Christianity, by comparison, is supposed to love infidels. I go with Christianity. This statement is based on the printed texts of the New Testament and the Koran.

By definition, a believer in Islam is an extremist. He/she believes in the Koran; therefore, he/she, as a believer, to be true to their faith in the Allah and the Koran, must kill infidels. Also, in the Koran, they are instructed to make no Christian their friend.

How can anybody justify this religion of violence? Do you think for a moment that if Islam is given the upper hand in any society, including the US, that they will tolerate any other religious belief? Do you think for a moment that they will not follow the Koran? Have you been watching the news lately? Islams are killing Christians in India. Islams are killing Christians in Indonesia. Islams are killing Christians because it is basic to their beliefs. Islams will kill Islams that change to another religion. It's a killing religion. Look around. Look at the Jonestown massacre. Look at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Religious organizations with complete control begin to kill the opposition.

Now, you can blame Christianity for the killing in the Old Testament if you want, but that was before Jesus Christ came to us. There were reasons then, in those cultures. However, today we are a so-called modern society. These ancient customs and rules from 700 AD have no place in our world. Islam is an antiquated and obsolete religion. They need another prophet to come along and change those killing verses in the Koran.

You will never find a verse suggesting a Christian kill an infidel.

Those of you who are tolerant of Islam will find that, when it overtakes your society, you will have your laws and customs changed, whether you like it or not. You, my friend, will be outvoted by the immigrants and their descendants, and the society that your forefathers worked so hard (gave up their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors) to build will be overrun by the followers of an ancient and brutal culture.

Just sit back and watch. Tolerate. Be nice. Then wait for the vote. Then you will do nothing.

Consider it like a whirlpool in the ocean. It's too far away right now. It's not affecting your boat. Eventually, when it gets close enough, it's too late.

The people who are willing to let the Islamic revolution overtake their countries are cowards, shortsighted, and ignorant of history.

They started it. They started killing people who didn't want to follow them. It's been back and forth since 700 AD. I think they owe the world an apology, restitution, and a change of the Koran.

If you don't think this is affecting you now, go for a flight on a local airlines, look at the budget and see how much is now being spent on homeland security and war, then ask yourself if the US can keep spending this kind of tax money without enslaving it's own population for the sake of freedom from terror.

[edit on 12/15/2009 by Jim Scott]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Well you are also forgetting that though these attacks happened outside the US, it is specifically directed to US nationals and their allies.

The Kernel is glad that you took the time to get off of the "righteous train" to answer this humble persons post.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Kernel Korn

Nice of you to remind us of that. Please send the condolences cards to George W. Bush. Somewhere in Texas.

Wow, good response... I guess that dismisses the fact that the other member was exagerating, and even lying since in fact there have been troops that have died trying to defend, and save Iraqis....

Um, your point? Why are they there in the first place? Please don't spout me the proverbial neocon spiel. The Kernel isn't a child to be "taught".

Yep, i wonder that's why Islamic extremism has existed for over 14 centuries since the 7th century.....

Only 14 centuries? Rookies compared to Jews and Christians.

Jeez, perhaps it would do you good to actually do some research instead of having just ironic responses trying to dismiss every evidence that refutes your opinion.

See my last response Mr Automoton.

As for "leaving the children alone"..... You also seem to forget how Islamic extremists recruit children..... by abducting them, puting a suicide vest around them, and telling them to go towards allied troops......

I wonder who the real COWARDS are....

I guess it is better to leave the children to be trained by more Islamic extremists.....

[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Nice rhetoric. Do you actually believe that or are you just paid to say it on the internet? The Kernel can't think that anyone can be that blind.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Well you fail to point out the group behind these actions, you simple put up a list of tragedies and blame them on the taliban and alaqeda, very good, oh how so very american of you, i can do the same thingn, here for example

Soldiers Charged in Iraqi, Afghani Deaths
News Wire article from: AP Online ...Press AP Online 04-27-2005 A look at some of the soldiers charged with murder as a result of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001. Does not include soldiers charged in deaths of Iraqi and Afghani prisoners. Marines...

IDF SOLDIERS CHARGED WITH NEGLIGENCE FOLLOWING RAID ON HEBRON
News Wire article from: Jewish Telegraphic Agency ...Sedan Jewish Telegraphic Agency 08-05-1992 IDF SOLDIERS CHARGED WITH NEGLIGENCE FOLLOWING RAID ON HEBRON HEADQUARTERS...West Bank to take disciplinary action. The six soldiers charged with negligence--two lieutenants, one second...

2 U.S. soldiers charged in deaths of three Iraqis
Newspaper article from: The Record (Bergen County, NJ) ...Record (Bergen County, NJ) 09-23-2004 2 U.S. soldiers charged in deaths of three Iraqis -- First accused of premeditated...civilian in southeastern Iraq in August 2003. The two soldiers charged Wednesday were assigned to Task Force Baghdad, which is...

Four U.S. soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners
Newspaper article from: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Four U.S. soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners By MATT KELLEY Associated Press...Camp Bucca, the largest U.S.-run POW camp in Iraq. The soldiers, charged this month, are the first U.S. troops known to face charges...

U.S. colonel ready to testify in case of Polish soldiers charged with killing civilians in Afghanistan.
Newspaper article from: Poland Business News ...S. colonel ready to testify in case of Polish soldiers charged with killing civilians in Afghanistan WARSAW...before Polish prosecutors in the case of Polish soldiers charged with killing six Afghan civilians in mid-August...

Soldiers Charged in Drowning; Iraqis Reportedly Forced Into River
Newspaper article from: The Washington Post ...Army posts in the United States generally were closed yesterday for the Fourth of July holiday, and none of the four soldiers charged or the others named as co-conspirators could be reached for comment. Army officials declined to release the names of...

Soldiers charged with murder
Newspaper article from: New Straits Times New Straits Times 04-23-2008 Soldiers charged with murder Edition: Main/Lifestyle Section: Main Section KUALA LUMPUR: Seven soldiers were charged in the magistrate's...

Soldiers Charged in Iraqi General's Death
News Wire article from: AP Online ...military spokeswoman said at the time that Mowhoush was believed to have been financing attacks on American forces. All four soldiers charged were assigned to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, based at Fort Carson, at the time of Mowhoush's death and have since...

Soldiers charged in Iraqi drowning case may blame anti-malaria drug
News Wire article from: AP Worldstream ...ROBERT WELLER, Associated Press Writer AP Worldstream 07-27-2004 Dateline: DENVER Defense attorneys for three U.S. soldiers charged with shoving two Iraqi civilians into the Tigris River, where one of them drowned, may argue that an anti-malarial...

Soldiers charged over supply of explosives; Historic: The regimental badge.
Newspaper article from: The Daily Mail (London, England) Byline: Elizabeth Barrett THREE Scottish soldiers charged in connection with the alleged theft andsupply of munitions appeared in court yesterday. Colour Sergeant Garry Graham, 36, and...

See very easy, but you see i have the people who are the suspect of these crimes, they are u.s soldiers, and believe me i can post all day with these crimes. ok?

If anyone wants to hear the truth on this subject then click this link
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by ugie1028
I thought this guy hit the nail on the hammer on this one.

this was a response video to this video with Paul Finley. (In us congress for 22 years)

I am not going to share my thoughts in the OP, i am just sharing 2 videos that i thought should be added here.

Are you saying Muslims are terrorists?
" If You Want to Stop Terrorism, Stop Killing Muslims!" implies that Muslims =Terrorists...
Or are you saying Terrorists are being vengeful of Muslim deaths?

Why would good Muslims want "terrorists" to step up and represent/speak for/ exact revenge on anyone for them?

Do you think they can't form their own well-intentioned foundation and stick up and expose their good, honest beliefs and intentions and declare them to the world and ask that others do as they do?

Oh yeah,... that hasn't happend yet. Nevemind and carry on about terrorism... because until that happens thats what we will have.

Originally posted by boniknik

Well you are also forgetting that though these attacks happened outside the US, it is specifically directed to US nationals and their allies.

So first you claim "no other peace loving nation is being attacked" and now when evidence is posted showing that you are wrong, you claim all those nations are being attacked because they are allies of the U.S.?....

Did you forget that France, Germany, and other European nations did not want for the Iraqi war to occur?... Mainly because they were in on the scam of "Oil for Food" scandal, from which several European nations, alongside Russia and China, were getting rich.... Well, at least the government officials were getting rich, and many nations in the UN were found to be part of the Oil for Food scandal, indlucing the son of the secretary of the UN, who was also receiving money from the "Oil for Food program"....



[edit on 15-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Great post, very true. But I cant understand why some people think that Isreal has control over the US instead of the other way around. Isreal has been corrupted as part of a plan to conquor the middle east.

Originally posted by pujols5

Well you fail to point out the group behind these actions, you simple put up a list of tragedies and blame them on the taliban and alaqeda, very good, oh how so very american of you, i can do the same thingn, here for example
............

Actually YOU fail to see that if allied soldiers participate in attrocious acts they are charged, and put in prison.... Meanwhile Islamic extremists are glorified for killing innocent people..... Humm...what a big difference heh?....

BTW, Al Qaeda took blame for those attacks.....but I guess according to you Al Qaeda were lying when they said that....

Not to mention the dozens, upon dozens of videos of Islamic extremists making comments on how they want to kill innocent civilians...

And of course, that's without mentioning that Islamic extremists have alsim and are still murdering many moderate Muslims because they don't follow the extremist ways...

Electricuniverse said..

"As for "leaving the children alone"..... You also seem to forget how Islamic extremists recruit children..... by abducting them, puting a suicide vest around them, and telling them to go towards allied troops......

I wonder who the real COWARDS are....

I guess it is better to leave the children to be trained by more Islamic extremists....."



Better than what??

To have Americans keep killing them??

Dont you get it??

These people hate ...you.

You spend more money than all the other countries in the world combined on your military...which you then use to maim and kill civilians including women and children . Your country is seen as nothing more than a killing machine.

If you arent doing that you are then supplying these very same armaments to Israel who then continue the slaughter with your blessings.

Think of it the other way round ..

Lets say a very brutal and evil muslim country, far more powerful than Amerika, invaded the US..
It immediately, after a thorough slaughtering, begins to rape and pillage your country of its resources with impunity..

It then installs a mickey mouse puppet regime in power that was solely at the mercy of a despot muslim leader thousands of miles away...

Your mother, father, two sisters and four brothers are killed, innocently, as they lie in their beds...

Your other sister is gang raped, along with your wife, ...before being shot in the head.


How would you feel??

Desperate?

Needing revenge for your families slaughter?


Maybe a teensy weensy bit pissed off??


I suspect you would do everything in your power..everything..to be rid of the Muslim Invaders who treat you with contempt and see you as Collateral Damage and nothing more.

Dont you dare lecture people on not doing their research good sir....nothing you have said here, including your Cut and Paste jobs carry any weight with anyone here who has a smidgen of decency.

You and your like are the reason this world is in the utterly tragic state that we find it in.

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Oh please. Do yourself a favor and "read some history". You know the American firms that made money off of the 3rd Reich? It happens. Get used to it. Once you see that no one in this action is clean, we can talk. Until then it's just your POOR propaganda going on. The Kernel thinks that people are seeing through that crap too though. What's your thoughts on Papa John's new promotion? It'll be as insightful as the rest of your lackluster, biased contribution.

So, the consensus is that if we pull all of our troops out, cut off all ties
with Israel and do nothing all the terrorists attacks would stop? You would
be in for a very rude awakening because that would not stop them.
The main focus for the Islamic extremists is world domination by any
means possible. In fact, I wish the president WOULD pull all of the troops
out and sever all relations with them so that you and your kind would
see what happens next. If only they would leave us alone,
I would be all for pulling our troops out and staying out of their countries.

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I agree. With regard to the Palestinians, they have no military but they are frequently attacked and herded like animals by a modern military force. When you do not have jets, gunships, APCs, tanks, and missiles, your best response is suicide bombing. What's the difference between killing civilians with smart bombs and using yourself? Islam doesn't make them prone to suicide, but killing someone's whole family, herding them through checkpoints, and bulldozing their homes is definitely a sufficient motivator. Suicide becomes an option when you have nothing left to lose - such as a family or property rights.

Keep bombing civilians and packing prisons with 10 civilians and one genuine psychopath terrorist, and you are only going to create more terrorists. That's a fact.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop funding Israel's military. The Palestinian problem could be solved tomorrow if Israel would just give them a state. Israel could then proceed to build a 10,000ft wall around their territory or do whatever else it wants. The Palestinians could then have property rights, no checkpoints, no blockades, and an ounce of dignity to call their own. The UN needs to declare them a state and end this never-ending madness. Israel does not want peace - they want to delay so their settlers and military will gradually displace the Palestinians. The US government knows this but can't do anything because of powerful lobbyists that classify all criticism of Israel's foreign policy as antisemetism, even as they build a 21st century ghetto for all the world to see.