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Originally posted by downisreallyup
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
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Here is a good article on Zero-Point Energy that might be worth reading:
Article on Zero-Point Energy
Hope you find it helpful
Originally posted by gareth01422
What people also need to remember is that up until recently lots of people didn't think anti-matter existed, some scientist up in Harvard proved that wrong.
Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Originally posted by downisreallyup
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife
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Here is a good article on Zero-Point Energy that might be worth reading:
Article on Zero-Point Energy
Hope you find it helpful
As quite often happens when people engage in pseudoscientific "name-dropping," the term being dropped is being misused. The posters on this thread are misusing "zero pint energy" as a description for the virtual particles thought to inhabit the quantum vacuum. Actually, the term is a translation of the term "nullpunktenergie" as used by Einstein and Stern in 1913 to describe a state of a system from which NO energy can be extracted. Zero-point energy is the energy that remains when all other energy is removed from a system. A harmonic oscillator is a useful conceptual tool in physics. Classically a harmonic oscillator, such as a mass on a spring, can always be brought to rest. However a quantum harmonic oscillator does not permit this. A residual motion will always remain due to the requirements of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, resulting in a zero-point energy, equal to 1/2 hf, where f is the oscillation frequency and h is Planck's constant. In quantum mechanics, ZPE describes the energy state of a system at 0 degrees K. That can not be the absence of all motion/energy, because that would violate the Heisenberg Principle, insofar as that if the system/particle is at rest, we can determine both its location and momentum (0).
The posters here using the term, are using it to describe the sea of virtual quantum particles, and their associated energies, occupying a quantum vacuum. The mathematics describing this is mind-bendingly complex, involving something called lattice Quantum chromodynamics.
The bottom line is, for energy extraction ZPE, as Einstein and Stern invented the term, is a dead end. Quark and anti-quark formation in the vacuum may hold some promise.
Best wishes
Doc
Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Originally posted by gareth01422
What people also need to remember is that up until recently lots of people didn't think anti-matter existed, some scientist up in Harvard proved that wrong.
Not even freakin close to either Harvard or the U.S.. Paul Dirac was never associated with Harvard. He held the Lucasian Chair at Cambridge, the same position now held by Hawking, after he discovered anti-matter in the form of the positron in 1928. See, Dirac, P. A. M. (1928-02-01). "The Quantum Theory of the Electron". Proceedings of the Royal Society of London. Series A, Containing Papers of a Mathematical and Physical Character 117 (778): 610–624. In his later life he did come to Florida State University in Tallahassee, where I was lucky enough to attend his colloquia in 1979. The first observation of the positron was at Cal Tech, and not Harvard. Harvard really doesn't have much of a quantum physics reputation, although their astrophysics department kicks rearends.
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by grahag
however, over the lifetime of the panel, you will receive MANY times more energy than you put into it.
So you think if you make a solar panel, then keep it in a cupboard it will work and eventually put out more energy than it took to make it....?
Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by 4nsicphd
You're absolutely correct, of course. The term, however, has been used for quite a long time by the 'free-energy' community to refer to the entire sea of miscellaneous energies and particles (yet discovered or not) that surround us. It's probably wrong that the term is misused like it is but most understand what is meant when it's used. They should coin another.
Originally posted by downisreallyup
I really do suggest that you take a look at what Bedini has been doing with Zero-Point Energy.
Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
John Bedini has at least 2 US patents on these types of motors. Steorn's motor looks so close to Bedini's design that I wonder how they'd be able to market it in the US.
Originally posted by downisreallyup
No, these ARE over-unity motors, in that they output more energy than what is required to make them work. Just watch the videos in the previous post and you will see this is true.
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.
Originally posted by downisreallyup
Also, these machines are not paranormal at all, so what does the prize have to do with this?
Try to understand that this is just the next stage of understanding PHYSICS, and only very smart people can see the next stage before everyone else catches on.
No, these ARE over-unity motors, in that they output more energy than what is required to make them work. Just watch the videos in the previous post and you will see this is true.