Originally posted by Gazrok
The Shrike: You can't counsel the mentally-conditioned. They're in a non-realistic display so they cannot arrive at reasonable conclusions
because they can't employ reason, common sense, and logic. Only those with an encumbered mind can do so.
The thing to realize though, is that for many who are religious, it is not just a belief system, it is their reality, so expecting them to divorce
themselves from that reality simply isn't going to happen.
The Shrike: " I don't disagree with your statement because I've said the same thing from the very beginning. I understand mental-conditioning, I
was an excellent hypnotist. I've also added that cult deprogrammers know how difficult it is to deal with cult members who are
They will frame their experiences within that world view. You are ASSUMING it is an incorrect view, and you may be right, or they may be right...we
simply don't know. Einstein certainly believed in God, would you decry him as ignorant?
TS: "We, the clear thinkers do
know. We can see that our world view is the correct, clear, superior one. Anytime you don't have to carry
mental religious baggage you're ahead of those that do. Einstein was a genius but a mentally-conditioned genius nevertheless. He wasn't an
atheist. But you're wrong about him believing in god. He said: 'I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what
exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.'"
That said, there's no reason this subject can't be calmly discussed without nasty personal attacks (or attacks on the membership as a whole)...(it
only weakens one's position anyway....), so I'd ask that all participants please adhere to this basic condition of the site....
There is also the possibility that such beings (or even just craft sightings) appeared to ancient man, and were thus thought of as gods. In this case,
UFOs and religion would most certainly be "related"...as it could have been a direct influence (for all we know....we simply don't know)....
TS: "The problem with your definition is the use of the word "religion." Presently, religion means a belief in a god that controls all humans and
their actions. A god that is claimed to have sent a human son to die for every human's 'sin' as if such existed. We're not talking about the awe
that must have been expressed by ancient man. No one wrote down how they felt if they witnessed UFOs. I highly doubt that they did. Present
religion: jewish, christian, protestant, mormons, muslims, hindus, buddhists, etc. These are all modern religions. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians,
etc., all had their gods which have nothing to do with modern religions and yet they're all gone. I do not accept that there is any relation between
any religion, past and present, and UFOlogy."
[edit on 27-4-2010 by The Shrike]