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066:015 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his
chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and
his rebuke with flames of fire.
007:009 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of
days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of
his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery
flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
001:007 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and
his ministers a flame of fire.
019:012 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many
crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he
himself.
019:014 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white
horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
020:001 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of
the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
020:011 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from
whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was
found no place for them.
022:008 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the
angel which shewed me these things.
083:013 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the
wind.
001:004 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north,
a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness
was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of
amber, out of the midst of the fire.
001:005 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living
creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the
likeness of a man.
001:006 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
As most of you can tell there is absolutely no possibility for rational, intelligent nor fair debate allowed in this thread; as the OP has given his completely biased opinion, but upon defining the terms in which he will debate you may not use the tools which he knows can and most likely will debunk his personal opinion.
Also he has demanded that in order to debate you must use an un-biased personal perspective; while this may sound good it is actually impossible to do as any personal perspective will automatically be biased by a persons beliefs and experiences ,and how they apply by their personal beliefs.
IMO, Nice try OP; but utter fail, I would however urge you to try again with a little more leeway in the facts that you would allow for debate.
I personally disagree with you as even in Greek, Egyptian, Sumerian, and many other antiquated mythology's, beings believed to be from other places other than this earth and using a means of transportation that appears to be beyond the believed type of transport for those times, were described and worshiped as gods and demons; therefore ufo's, and aliens due in fact; seem to have connections to religions; no matter the intended use of that religion.
Originally posted by SevenThunders
Originally posted by The Shrike
UFOs and religion have no connection, none!
Could you tell that to the aliens then, because they seem absolutely obsessed with religion, especially with regards to Jesus Christ. It seems like every so called alien encounter tries to deconstruct Jesus Christ and make the claim that he wasn't who he said he was or we created him etc.
www.alienresistance.org...
I wish that nice old lady I used to know had gotten this message as well. She would make all those yearly pilgrimages to Mt Shasta in CA to commune with the aliens whom she worshipped as Gods. Too bad the CIA killed her, but that's another story.
Forgive me, I was in error, as I tend to be from time to time. Please reread my quote and replace Astrological with Astronomical. English, as I have stated in other threads, is not my first language.
You've never seen any religious writings that describe unidentifiable objects in the sky? I think you are being dishonest, considering I can think of 2 off the top of my head from the Christian Bible alone.
Originally posted by Traumacrazy
how come nearly every atheist i'v met...they always seem angry
Originally posted by wylekat
I am guessing the ones who spout the whole UFO/ metaphysical wacko nonsense in the same breath is what got you started on this rant... I dont blame you. To get from here to somewhere in space takes technology. Otherwise, NASA would wish their little tinkertoys into orbit, no? The only 'frequencies' any self respecting space agency raises is the radio frequencies on the various spacecraft whizzing over our heads.
I mentioned this in another thread- I have seen UFO crap that'd turn paper white. I wont mention a lot about it, because some of what I've been thru would make me sound more like I should be sharing a cell with a guy who thinks he's Napoleon. I dont mention but a few things, because of possible interest, or it relates to the thread (or, I hope it does). I have NEVER given a full timeline of what *I've* seen and been thru. And I never will.
And ya know what? I haven't had one metaphysical spouting episode thru any of my experiences. NOT A SINGLE ONE. In fact, the whole concept makes my head hurt. Ive also found the religious and metaphysical bunk pushers are ALWAYS the ones with the nice bank account, the car... always the same pattern.....
Originally posted by wylekat
IAnd ya know what? I haven't had one metaphysical spouting episode thru any of my experiences. NOT A SINGLE ONE. In fact, the whole concept makes my head hurt. Ive also found the religious and metaphysical bunk pushers are ALWAYS the ones with the nice bank account, the car... always the same pattern.....
Originally posted by The Shrike
You've never seen any religious writings that describe unidentifiable objects in the sky? I think you are being dishonest, considering I can think of 2 off the top of my head from the Christian Bible alone.
Religious writings that describe unidentifiable objects in the sky do not necessarily mean UFOs as we know them in the present.
I have a copy of a book everyone on ATS Aliens and UFOs forum should read, titled: "HANDBOOK OF UNUSUAL NATURAL PHENOMENA - Eyewitness Accounts of Nature's Greatest Mysteries" by William R. Corliss. On the back cover it mentions some of topics covered: CLOUDLESS RAIN, COLORED SNOW, HUMMING DESERTS, MULTIPLE RAINBOWS, ROCKET LIGHTNING, PHOSPHORESCENT WHEELS, MULTICOLORED MOCK SUNS, EXPLODING HAIL and much more...
Did you notice the PHOSPHORESCENT WHEELS? The chapter on "Optical and Radio Anomalies in the Atmosphere", which runs from pages 88 to 174 is worth the price of the book. We don't know what those ancient peoples witnessed and we can't use presen explanations to their descriptions. Especially a christian bible!