Obama's Safe Schools Czar Tied to Lewd Readings for 7th Graders

Originally posted by kingoftheworld
I believe that the government and the schools should stay out of the personal lives of children. It should be up to the parents to decide what they learn and when.

I heartily agree with this. The government should never be able to control what our children read. That being said I'd have no problem with this book being available for them to read as long as there parents have no problem with it, there are many books whose messages I may not support but I still feel should be printed.

It's a slippery slope.

reply to post by Roadblockx


While I don't agree with many of Obama "Czars" including this one, this has nothing to do with what children are reading in school as up today, this story is about an independent group pro gay that is recommending the books for school reading for homosexual children, but we know that this will never happen thanks to the religious right in the nation.

So just because is been a suggestion doesn't mean is happening and that the education Czar is going to do it.

Homosexual children?????? Exactly when did this happen? In first grade we sure as hell weren't thinking about sex......hmmmm, wonder were this comes from? I have a couple of guesses, but then again I'm sure I'd be labeled something for posting them here. He's a sick s.o.b., who has no business in his position.

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I wonder about that also, since when we tag children sexuality beside been male and female, actually I didn't like that part of the article.

Originally posted by marg6043
this story is about an independent group pro gay

Right, an independent group started and ran by this Czar. How can you not see the connection?

And even if none of the books end up in schools (some already have) what does it say about us as a society when our leader chooses deranged people like this to advise him on educational issues?

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Is a connection to what the so call "education Czar" used to do before becoming an "education Czar" that is as far as the connection goes.

One thing is the pro gay groups making suggestions and another getting what they want.

Is not way in hell that the religious right and parents advocacy groups will allow such literature in schools no more than pornography is allowed in the curriculum.

Plain and simple, I was a teacher for many years I know how politics works with the school system.

This nothing that political propaganda and things are to get worst as the midterm elections comes around.

Originally posted by marg6043
While I don't agree with many of Obama "Czars" including this one, this has nothing to do with what children are reading in school as up today, this story is about an independent group pro gay that is recommending the books for school reading for homosexual children, but we know that this will never happen thanks to the religious right in the nation.

So just because is been a suggestion doesn't mean is happening and that the education Czar is going to do it.

Really? My wife's a teacher. She has to go for Continuing Education training over Christmas break. She has recieved an itinerary on what the training will be. This subject and these books are on that itinerary. It states that copies will be availible for reading before discussion takes place.

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Sorry to hear that, but here in the neck of the woods is not going to happen, so I guess your state is more liberal than mine, I am in GA so you figure that one out.

This a bastion for Southern Baptist Church, they already has gone away with many other books that are actually very Innocent in nature at least from my stand point, so I can only imagine what they will be doing against the books you said your wife is going to have to deal with in school.

Is not going to happen here that is for sure and the school system will stand by it.

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Out of curiosity, what grade does your wife teach? I just can't believe anyone anywhere could believe this is right. I think it's wrong that the teachers have to be subjected to reading this as well.

[edit on 16-12-2009 by adifferentbreed]

This is very good information on how First Amendment rights works when it comes to banned books in school librariesactually the books if finaly allowed it will be in the school libraries but the school system have ways to made sure that the books will never end in the hands of the students unless is parental concent on that

— U.S. Supreme Court in Board of Education, Island Trees School District v. Pico (1982)

In 1975, several members of the school board from the Island Trees School District on Long Island, N.Y., obtained a list of books deemed “objectionable” by Parents of New York United, a conservative organization. The board determined that the district’s school libraries contained several titles on the list: The Fixer, by Bernard Malamud; Slaughterhouse Five, by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.; The Naked Ape, by Desmond Morris; Down These Mean Streets, by Piri Thomas; Best Short Stories of Negro Writers, edited by Langston Hughes; Go Ask Alice, authorship anonymous; Laughing Boy, by Oliver LaFarge; Black Boy, by Richard Wright; A Hero Ain’t Nothin’ But a Sandwich, by Alice Childress; Soul on Ice, by Eldridge Cleaver; and A Reader for Writers, edited by Jerome Archer.

Since Pico, First Amendment litigation involving book censorship in schools has usually turned on the rights of a school board to control classroom curricula by prohibiting the use of certain texts and/or an inquiry into whether a certain challenged text is “vulgar.”

There you have it, the law speaks.

www.firstamendmentcenter.org...




[edit on 16-12-2009 by marg6043]

My wife teaches 7th and 8th grade Science. Marg, no disrespect intended, but, these days the Law isn't worth the paper it is written on. The "Law" doesn't allow DUI checkpoints, it doesn't allow Government to sieze property through Eminent Domain and give it to developers, it doesn't allow for a Federal Income Tax and these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Anything is just one Supreme Court vote away from being allowed.

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While I agree with you on that the law is no respected anymore, (even I question many laws) when it comes to school districts and censorship run by religious rights and parents advocacy groups, trust me they win, at least in my neck of the woods in GA.

The books can be pushed, but that doesn't mean it will get into the hands of children in school age.

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We're aparently not as enlightened in Pennsylvania.

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Is not that, is about who run the show in the school system decisions, here we got a very strong southern baptist influence.

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Up here we have a bunch of Liberalist morons who are in bed with the NEA. They are pretty good at trying to sneak this crap in under the radar. A Governor in Obama's pocket doesn't help things much.

Originally posted by ThorinOak
I heartily agree with this. The government should never be able to control what our children read. That being said I'd have no problem with this book being available for them to read as long as there parents have no problem with it, there are many books whose messages I may not support but I still feel should be printed.

I wish people took time to read the link in the OP.

It is exactly a situation when a group said that parents should decide whether a book or another one is appropriate. That's all.

Of course the OP author would like you to believe that Obama made a point of appointing dangerous perverts to sensitive positions. Typical.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by ThorinOak
I heartily agree with this. The government should never be able to control what our children read. That being said I'd have no problem with this book being available for them to read as long as there parents have no problem with it, there are many books whose messages I may not support but I still feel should be printed.

I wish people took time to read the link in the OP.

It is exactly a situation when a group said that parents should decide whether a book or another one is appropriate. That's all.

Of course the OP author would like you to believe that Obama made a point of appointing dangerous perverts to sensitive positions. Typical.

And he didn't.........he appointed him? So who would be responsible, if not the man who appointed him?

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This guy violated the law when he didn't report the statutory rape of a 15 year old boy, by an older man. Instead of reporting this crime, his advice to the boy was to make sure that he used a condom. Enough said? The man is scum and should have been prosecuted.
The problem with these books is NOT that they are going to be used in class, but, that they will be stocked in the school's library and reccommended to students to read.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

My kid can read anything he wants, I'm confident he'll grow up home schooled smart and informed enough to make his own choices.

So you are so confident in our government public school system that you have decided to not have your kid attend it huh? Pretty funny if you ask me.

This "Czar" needs to go the way history has ordained for other Czars. In no way should he have anything to do with the education of our youth.