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Originally posted by mixmix
I don't see this link before so I post it
Enterprise mission Norway message
August 12, 1986, 10 p.m. Hundreds of thousands of people were outside in the eastern half of the United States, looking for Perseid meteors. Many of them had their astronomical instruments and cameras at the ready.
Suddenly a bright, fuzzy spiral, wider than the moon, appeared in the eastern sky, moving from right to left. Sightings occurred from Georgia (Florida was socked in with clouds) to Texas, from Oklahoma City to Quebec, Canada, and all points in between.
Wayne Madea, an amateur astronomer in northern Maine, saw a bright starlike object emit a luminous, rapidly expanding donut-shaped cloud; through a telescope he saw “a pinpoint of light, like a satellite, traveling with the cloud.” In Massachusetts, an amateur astronomer watched the plume perform two full turns in four minutes, painting the spinning spiral as he watched.
In the United States and Canada, observers had witnessed a spray of surplus fuel from the used-up third stage of the Japanese rocket. Their altitude was almost a thousand miles (1,500 km), high enough for it to have been sunlit even though the ground below had been dark for more than an hour.
Originally posted by ph00nknzarrk
reply to post by Phage
Yah, thanks. I'm aware of those things. They just don't seem convincing in this case. Maybe i just "want to believe".
Originally posted by ph00nknzarrk
reply to post by KathyT
The videos showing similar phenomena are all well and good, but not exactly the same for one, and for another don't explain the DISTANCE. Do you understand why i'm having a problem with this video? It says it was made in Santa Barbara, CA which is only a stone throw away from Vandenberg AFB. Now compare that with the distance from Tromsø, Norway and a starting point from somewhere near Archangelsk, Russia. Care to explain? I'm listening.
Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by OldDragger
Hows about showing a missile that is aborted due to malfunction.
They look more like the first shuttle that had o-ring problems that NASA refused to correct.
Termination due to explosion.
Hows about explaining how a missile that is spiraling around the sky
in a pattern so perfect there has NEVER been any such event ever recorded.
I looked at all the missile photos on all the threads.
Not one resembled the Norway HAARP like phenomena
Originally posted by OldDragger
In answer to your many questions, how the heck should we know?
I'll just e mail the Russian military and ask huh? I'm sure they won't mind since you are an ATS poster after all.
WHY is it incumbent on those of us that have figured out it was nothing more than a missile to explain every minute technical detail? And who know if your questions have an validity anyway. Though many of you imagine yourselves to be experts all of a sudden in this field ( ), I freely admit I'm not!
But I don't need to be to see the obvious, I can add 2 and 2.
It WAS a Russian ICBM
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Point of No Return
I was clarifying the description. The description says the spiral left a track. The "beam" do not go to the spiral as the post I was replying to claimed. It came from the spiral.
Yes, both the "beam" and the spiral came from the missile. Since the spiral was centered on the missile, the "beam" came from the center of the spiral.
Liquid hydrogen and oxygen burn clean, leaving a by-product of water vapor.
The Russian defense ministry reported that the first two stages of the rocket worked properly, but a technical failure in the third stage resulted in the launch failure.
The Russian Ministry of Defence later reported that the spiral anomaly was caused by a test launch of a Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile from the RFS Dmitriy Donskoy, located in the White Sea, which had failed because of a malfunction of the missile's third stage. Russian defence analyst Pavel Felgenhauer stated to AFP that "Such lights and clouds appear from time to time when a missile fails in the upper layers of the atmosphere and have been reported before ... At least this failed test made some nice fireworks for the Norwegians."  Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin.
The Russian military developed Bulava to possess advanced defense capabilities making it resistant to missile-defense systems. Among its claimed abilities are evasive maneuvering, mid-course countermeasures and decoys and a warhead fully shielded against both physical and Electromagnetic pulse damage. The Bulava is designed to be capable of surviving a nuclear blast at a minimum distance of 500 meters. Prime minister Vladimir Putin has claimed that Bulava could penetrate any potential anti-missile defence system.