Tea party patriots wants mandatory Christmas in schools

During the first world war the British were fighting the Germans in the trenches. On Christmas day they stopped fighting and had a game of football. The next day they continued fighting.
It would be a terrible shame if Christmas slowly went away because it brings peace and love to so many of us, even if its just for one day.

reply to post by davesidious


Excuse me, I think your ignorance is showing, but I will teach you truth-

fascism definition

fas·cism (fas̸h′iz′əm)

noun

1. the doctrines, methods, or movement of the Fascisti
2. a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.
3.
1. a political movement based on such policies
2. fascist behavior


Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

— fas·cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized

— fas·cis·tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized

— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized

Notice, the first definition is a new fangled definition whereas the second hasn't been rewritten.

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I don't suppose allowing each of the denominations in a class to have a day to share/educate their fellow classmates on what they celebrate, why and how would satisfy anyone here? Personally one of the best things about America is that we have a diverse range of cultures assembled from throughout the world alive and well in people that now call this patch of dirt 'home'.

Bigotry, racism and intolerance stem from several sources, but none is more preventable then ignorance. So instead of stifling a schools chance to open minds and build bridges, let the children teach each other about their heritages.



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reply to post by Southern Guardian


Once more the religous fanatics have raised their ugly heads. And you thought the only nut jobs were Muslims...

The right wants more Christmas in schools,
The left wants less Christmas in schools.

We can never win, can we?

i just don't get this crap.. So many people are like "its merry Christmas not happy holidays".. then they shout about freedom in America.

Last I checked freedom means you can celebrate what ever you want. i have no problem with saying happy holidays, it covers are the basics, its a nice simple greeting.. I like diversity.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
The right wants more Christmas in schools,
The left wants less Christmas in schools.

We can never win, can we?

Well when people are tired of the politics and religions trying to be forced into or out of schools...HOME SCHOOL

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reply to post by ch1ldofthe70s


There dear patron is where we see how the schools are not in place to open a child's mind, but rather close it off and conform it to what society or rather, the DOE feels they should think.

I remember school in the 80s...yeah I am a young whipper-snapper. We would actually have a lot of different subjects brought up around Christmas time that involved Jewish and Christian holidays, the way we celebrate, what it means to us....today, teacher and administrators just don't want to deal with it and wish to instead remain back boneless so that their tenure and careers are intact.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Well how does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot! Singing carols at Christmas was extensive when I was a kid, and for the past several years we are forbidden to say anything even remotely hinting of a God. Thats not what the rules are, for government to Hate religion in every possible form.

Amusing... they want less government in our lives, except when it comes to public schools.
Perhaps if public schools were better they'd have learned something in civics class, and wouldn't be making themselves look stupid now, lol.

The thing that I find funny about this type of person is that they would be outraged if someone suggested that the school curriculum include instruction about a religion other than their own.

I don't think that we need religion taught in schools. If a child or a group of children wish to prey, that's fine. But, do it during their own time like recess and/or lunch.

Now what are you going to accomplish with such a remark? You are comparing apples to oranges and I would take a stab in the dark and guess you know you are doing so.

For the sake of what you have said though. Let us start with the following:

Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
How would they feel if Al Qaeda wanted mandatory beheadings?

One hand...mandatory Christmas music in school programs. Other hand.....beheading. I don't think I need to even further discuss. If you wish we shall do so.

Second one you said.

Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
Or for them to praise Allah every day with their hands over their heart.

This friend they can do. Right now. Send your kid to school and have that little one praise their heart out, within reason and not during classroom instruction time, nor during the pledge of allegiance. Only reason I say not during those two is because of: instruction time is actually time set aside to teach children what needs to be taught for the day. During the pledge, said child does not have to utter the words of the pledge, but according to US Code, must stand at attention with his right hand over the heart. If the child does not wish to participate, they can leave the room without fear of retribution.

Now during lunch, if that child wishes to lay down a prayer mat, face Mecca and pray, they have every constitutional right to do so and the school cannot infringe upon it. If that child wishes to recite a prayer to themselves before school instruction begins, they have every right to do so.

Do not compare the incomparable.

reply to post by Wildbob77


What about praying before a test? The teacher cannot stop them from doing so. Now if the prayer is a 10 minute long overtly disruptive act, then the teacher can politely ask the student to perform the prayer silently in respect for others around them or can ask them to finish the prayer outside.

Wow. With unemployment. war in the middle east, dismantling of civil rights, those tea party folks sure know how to prioritize. Glad this person doesn't work for me. Merry Christmas.

reply to post by mopusvindictus



Dude, you got it! I'm not much for christmas myself. I'm pagan with leanings to gnosticism. May sound weird but it works for me...the gnostics really never were christian anyway in my opinion.

back to the subject as i digress.

I dont know of ANY pagans that want to take away christmas from the kids. Thats what its about. I also agree that people seem to be a little nicer also. More generous and just seem to "give a damn" a little more.

Kwanzaa is a political sham. the guy that came up with it was a total perv and a sadist.

To the OP:

Do you remember when the cali school (forget which one) made everyone be muslim for a week or so? Tit for tat dude.

Separation of church and state? Aint none such. Read some of the founding fathers writings or maybe the constitution.

The country was built as a christian nation with TOLERANCE to others. Now we bend over backward for others and make christians take a back seat.

I'm sure if someone has a beef with their child doing "o silent night", they'll be accomodated.

Tea parties torn up by Glen Beck? No. Thats because the conservatives have left the republican party.

Tell me some things about Beck that are bad for us?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I won't bother reading you're whole post because right off the bat its clear the title is dishonest:
"The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed."

An opportunity means you can choose to do it or not. That obviously conflicts with your title which uses the word "mandatory". So, which is it? Mandatory Christmas carols or the opportunity for Christmas carols?

Its unfortunate such stupid contradictions can make it to the front page of ATS!

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


100% agreed you and other took that moment to express that we are Not a Democracy but rather a Republic with democratic principles.

True, very True

But the same principal applies we have a representative Govt by the people for the people as I have been told...

The previous page shows...

Atheists are 15%of this nation and it seems across the board they still Like Enjoy and aren't bothered by Christmas, I know many Atheists that Love Christmas...

With 75% Christian denomination in some form and another...even 10% of that 15% of Atheists not objecting.

It's clearly 85% or higher of the US population likes Christmas...

I have never known Buddhists or Hindus... to take up Issue over the celebration but rather like a non secular Jew like myself they seem to embrace the tradition.

So if 80% of Jews are like me and don't mind...

The Question IS

WHO is this for? the removal of Xmas from schools and stores?

WHO actually supports this and in a representative Govt what are they thinking, this certainly isn't the wishes of maybe over 90% of Americans

What bizarre Niche groups that claim to represent anyone throw the money in that makes this PC garbage possible?

Who exactly is Christmas offending? How important are those groups and do we ... the rest of us want them around if they are such Jerks?

We need National Holidays and National culture... a rhythm, traditions it's healthy...

Somewhere in here this simply seems to go straight along with the entire trend of the destruction of the family unit, another piece of Americana dished to give way to the Socialist Global agenda...

I don't actually know that there is much of ANYBODY in the American public that actually cares if Frosty and Santa are in schools particularly schools that happen to be 96% Christian by denomination which much of America is...

I really don't agree with much this man had to say... but it's appropriate.

Khalid Abdul Muhammad: we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language. We lost our religion, our culture, our god...and many of us, by the way we act, we even lost our minds.

This is what these power mongers do to people... and now they are doing it to America as a Whole...

The reality is there is a representation of people in America that I can't estimate to be higher than 3% that actually supports tearing down the Christmas tradition, limiting it in public or school. taking it away from children and adults alike...

On a technical level using a Tea Part movement for this debate is rather Moronic of a platform...

But we can understand what is being felt and we know from history what the consequences of allowing GOVT to remove culture and traditions from people are...any people

It's simply NOT Americans that want this, it's THEM, whomever THEY may be.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

How do I know this?

Because as a Jew, One cheap crap gift every day for a week bites by comparison to a Fat Jolly drunk that unloads GIANT GIFTS

I wanted to tell my parents to shove that god damned draddle right up their (CENSORED)

What kind of CREEPS want Christmas to go away?

It's an AMERICAN Holiday... it should be protected

Wow...

You know this person must have a point if even a Jewish guy is getting this worked up about what they are doing to Christmas...

Damn right.

Aside from religious purposes, ( which we all understand are subjective),

Christmas rocks.

Merry Christmas, and God Bless us...every one...especially those who would rather drown in their own bile than hear the term "Merry Christmas."

Originally posted by Kaytagg
Leave religion out of school. It doesn't belong in a place of learning.

Are you making a new proposal?
You must be, as "religion" exists in all public schools....ever heard of global warming and the related propaganda thrusted on children? Every see or hear what they are taught?? Every public school child I know can recite the Enviros agenda by rote. A more zealous religion doesn't exists on the face of the Earth.
Christmas isn't welcome though.
Schools prefer to pretend there is a holiday called Winter.