Tea party patriots wants mandatory Christmas in schools

Yep, there is an initiative set up by California Tea party "patriots" to require public schools to play christmas carols... in other words to force public schools, and the tax payer, and the parents of these children, and the children most of all, to participate in these carols. Amazing aint it, the freedoms the tea party "patriots" are fightin' for:

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Schools currently are allowed to offer Christmas music as long as it is used for academic purposes rather than devotional purposes and isn't used to promote a particular religious belief, according to an analysis by the California Legislative Analyst's Office.

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

www.redding.com...

"Christmas is about christmas".. so this means we all have to be forced to live under it. Freedom at its best, tea party style.

The folks that want their country back are the same same folks that would prefer their religious beliefs to be dumped onto the tax payer, and have the parents strip of rights to raise their kids in public constitutionally free.

Atleast Rob here got it on the ball:

"I have two words to say about Ms. Hyatt's proposal: blatantly unconstitutional," said Rob Boston, senior policy analyst for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which is based in Washington, D.C., and has a local chapter in Sacramento.

www.redding.com...

This doesnt apply to all tea party patriots, but then its very confusing to see where folks stand when we see them walking down the road holding signs together. Should be understandable why theres this confusions over whats what.

Now there are already examples of how religion has already infested much of our government where it has no business. Take the 1860's ammendment adding "in god we trust" as an official motto to our laws and our money. Lets not forget the zionists and fringe rightwing christians and their infestation over our foreign policy. They were the biggest pushers behind the Iraq war, and behind our power draining support of Israel and her continued settlements. This is just to further what is already an issue in the United states, to further the unconstitutional.

I dont think this woman will get far, but this is just another example of the real agenda behind the tea party movement. We've already discussed the RINO/republican drivers of this movement, along with the corporate relations behind it, and now ofcourse the religious zealots want their "Christian america" back.

Your backyard, your religion. We get the tea party folk constantly going on about their backyard, maybe they mean just that, only their backyard. The rest of us have to be forced to live unconstitutionally under their beliefs. I sure as heck hope folks like this woman dont get into power in the future.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Southern Guardian]

He's lonely in this demand.

He doesn't get what the tea parties are about : hint : less government intrusion. What he wants is exactly the opposite... he should go away.

Schools aren't in session in the states on Christmas day; problem saved.

Glad to be of assistance.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
He's lonely in this demand.

He doesn't get what the tea parties are about : hint : less government intrusion. What he wants is exactly the opposite... he should go away.

Its a she, Ms Hyatt.

Shes wearing the same tea party outfit as the rest of you, and she certainly walked hand in hand with you. So why should I consider her any different?

These are tea party patriots are they not? Why automatically distance yourself from them? Its exactly the same as in back in april, when the republicans and their mouthpieced media fox news showed up in force with the rest of the tea party "patriots", and yet you'd have me to belief this was against both parties.

Alot of folks are saying alot of mixed things in this tea party movement of yours, so forgive me if I am receiving mixed signals.




[edit on 14-12-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Seiko
Schools aren't in session in the states on Christmas day; problem saved.

Common sense would have us know this is around the christmas period and not on christmas day necessarily. Heres the initiative, which states as an appropriate time of year, which is around the christmas period:

big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...

Where on earth did they restrict this to christmas day? Did you read the article? And just because its not on the actual religious day, this justifies it being mandatory in schools? If we made it mandatory in schools to sing islamic religious tunes, regardless of whether it was away from the actual 7 days of islamic fast, would that be an excuse? Would you be making excuses as you are now?

We're talking about an unconstitutional ammendment, but you dont seem to give a damn about that fact Seiko. Cant say Im surprised as its not another Obama thread. Im terribly sorry to dissappoint.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Southern Guardian]

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I think you've missed my point entirely. Christmas is one day. Just can't really clarify that enough for you, or her.

Yeah well as the original founder of the tea parties said a while back, the movement has been hijacked by the republican party and the former Bush supporters.

Which is a shame really since the tea parties existed at least 3 years before the MSM realized it was there.

This hijacking occurred because of that soab Glenn Beck.

So yes you're receiving mix signals because there are the ``goods`` tea parties, those who understand what it is really about...against big government and both parties, and the ``hijacked`` tea parties, who don't know what's about and think it's against Obama and the democrats.

So it depends on your area really what group you gonna meet... and of course the MSM will only report on the ``anti-Obama, anti-democrat, pro-republican`` type.

Never will get anywhere...

But the person has a point on a Level...

I'm a Jew and I celebrate Christmas, because well, Christmas is much more fun than Hanukkah

If you choose to celebrate it purely as the "birth of Jesus" that is your prerogative, but most of the traditions and celebration is winter solstice

And Frankly Christmas should be declared a National Holiday

It's a GREAT Holiday a fantastic celebration and a tradition for everyone including the break for kids, Santa Claus

Seriously...quite Frankly i'll kick someones butt on purpose every year if they make Christmas go away

So screw Kwanzaa and Hanukkah takes a back seat and frankly I don't give a damn what weird thing comes along in place this year or next...

Christmas just gets put down lower every year and it's retarded, stores that wont say he word and all that junk...

I Look forward every year to my mid winters feast... and break and the Tree and the music and everyone being happy...

Okay... Christmas rules...

Hanukkah doesn't make anyone HAPPY the way Christmas does... Neither does Kwanzaa

We have to respect WHAT ELSE IN THIS SEASON?

KWANZAA?

Ron Karenga created Kwanzaa in 1966 as the first specifically African-American holiday.

It's total crap... it was invented in 1966 to screw over a great happy holiday that basically ROCKS and the traditions (if you can call a figment of a pissed off brothers imagination a tradition) they stink by comparison... BORING...wheres the booze and the girls is cute little outfits...

Why did this imbecile invent this and why do we support it... Little Black Children WANT SANTA too

How do I know this?

Because as a Jew, One cheap crap gift every day for a week bites by comparison to a Fat Jolly drunk that unloads GIANT GIFTS

I wanted to tell my parents to shove that god damned draddle right up their (CENSORED)

What kind of CREEPS want Christmas to go away?

I say it clearly my people representing less than 1% of this nation need to shut up on this one...

Kwanzaa is Completely made up

I don't Care about offended Islamics their Holidays SUCK MOST OF ALL and the rest of us don't need to suffer for their lame boring can't have any fun beliefs...

I've never seen an Asian complain about Christmas EVER

It's an AMERICAN Holiday... it should be protected




Wow...

You know this person must have a point if even a Jewish guy is getting this worked up about what they are doing to Christmas...

Damn no good Grinch's... CHRISTMAS IS MAGIC YOU PIGS


No god damned Egg Nog and Rum for blasted Hanukkah... Never seen a Muslim walk for days to fricken Mistletoe... Kwanzaa... Fruit, thanks allot jerk offs...

Let's serve FRUIT instead of a Giant Turkey.... Give kids cheap little spinning tops... or just sit in silence or go on a pilgrimage till my feet bleed...

I'm sorry

I have NO RESPECT for ANY of the other Christmas competitors... those Holidays SUCK



[edit on 14-12-2009 by mopusvindictus]

"The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols"-from op

The keyword(s) here are... "Provide children the opportunity".
They arent saying "mandatory".... simply stating that kids should have the
opportunity to sing songs if they want to sing songs.
We celebrate halloween in schools,and thanksgiving...Whats so diff about christmas? Sure it is a religious holiday, but it never says it is mandatory.
They are just asking to at least give the children the choice to do so amongst their peers. Whats so wrong about that?

When you were in school, did you ever see your teachers classrooms all decorated christmas like with stalkings hangin off her desk and reefs and lights all over the room? I remember when I was in school, the teachers would give us Christmas pencils and sometimes even xmas baskets with candy inside them.

Like I stated earlier though, all they are asking for is an option, they are not asking to make it mandatory that ALL kids of different religious backrounds attend.

Everyone wants equality, but nobody wants to let other groups in on that equality. I dont just say that for the christians, but for all religions. If there is a religous holiday going on, the schools should do whatever they can to make sure the students get to atleast celebrate it amongst each other.

Seperation of church and state... thats funny to me(and im not even really religious). Christmas is a nationaly recongnized holiday, and as a nation, we should have every right to celebrate those days no matter where we are sitting.

Leave religion out of school. It doesn't belong in a place of learning.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Vitchilo
He's lonely in this demand.

He doesn't get what the tea parties are about : hint : less government intrusion. What he wants is exactly the opposite... he should go away.

Its a she, Ms Hyatt.

Shes wearing the same tea party outfit as the rest of you, and she certainly walked hand in hand with you. So why should I consider her any different?

These are tea party patriots are they not? Why automatically distance yourself from them? Its exactly the same as in back in april, when the republicans and their mouthpieced media fox news showed up in force with the rest of the tea party "patriots", and yet you'd have me to belief this was against both parties.

Alot of folks are saying alot of mixed things in this tea party movement of yours, so forgive me if I am receiving mixed signals.




[edit on 14-12-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Vladimir Lenin rose to power in the communist party yet many advocates of communism today demand that a distinction be made between communism and Leninism, the same as they demand a distinction be made between communism and Stalinism. Hitler rose to power through the socialist party known as NAZI's and today there are many advocates of socialism who flat out deny that NAZI's were socialists. Yet, Lenin walked hand in hand with communists, Stalin did and Hitler walked hand in hand with socialists.

When are people going to learn that you can't solve your problems with an "ism" or party loyalty? No good leader is going to come along and fix all your problems.

The onus is on you, to make your own life better. It is your responsibility to run your own life, raise your children right, and own the things that you do.

If you want a better world, start by cleaning up your own life. If you want smart kids, crack open a book and learn something yourself. Set an example, and lead by example.

Don't turn to some politician. All that proves is that you are in need of the nanny state most of you love to say you hate.

And on a personal note, I think most people actually do need a nanny state, which is why I dislike democracy, and people, in general.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I agree mandating rituals is not freedom, freedom should be a blank slate -

You can't have more government when you cry for less.


I think people can define their own lives and determine their own beliefs; that is the very essence of freedom IMO.

I have no problems with jingle bells and all that good stuff, but I would never force the idea on another. I really don't get it, seems to be a attempt at unification, which is not very individualistic.

At the end of the day many TB's are forever intimate with the ideas of the grand ol party! I see it as an attempt to shed some preverbal skin. But the people are same hot mess that likely supported somebody else

all of a sudden people are reformed, better informed, immune to deform -

People are people, they attracted to the same types of candidates... An evangelical elephant could staple a Lipton bag to his head and win clemency. This is all a big shake off, gotta make a fuss to insure legitimacy. You could give Bush a glue bar mustache and he could be Mr Sack model 2012 - President: Jorge Little Tree

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Vitchilo
He's lonely in this demand.

He doesn't get what the tea parties are about : hint : less government intrusion. What he wants is exactly the opposite... he should go away.

Its a she, Ms Hyatt.

Shes wearing the same tea party outfit as the rest of you, and she certainly walked hand in hand with you. So why should I consider her any different?

These are tea party patriots are they not? Why automatically distance yourself from them? Its exactly the same as in back in april, when the republicans and their mouthpieced media fox news showed up in force with the rest of the tea party "patriots", and yet you'd have me to belief this was against both parties.

Alot of folks are saying alot of mixed things in this tea party movement of yours, so forgive me if I am receiving mixed signals.




[edit on 14-12-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Vladimir Lenin rose to power in the communist party yet many advocates of communism today demand that a distinction be made between communism and Leninism, the same as they demand a distinction be made between communism and Stalinism. Hitler rose to power through the socialist party known as NAZI's and today there are many advocates of socialism who flat out deny that NAZI's were socialists. Yet, Lenin walked hand in hand with communists, Stalin did and Hitler walked hand in hand with socialists.

Other conditions fostering the rise of the Third Reich include nationalism and Pan-Germanism, civil unrest attributed to Marxist groups, the worldwide economic depression of the 1930s (spurred by the Wall Street Crash of 1929), the reaction against the counter-traditionalism and liberalism of the Weimar period, and the rise of communism in Germany, as reflected by the growth of the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany.

The Nazis hated what the left was doing to Germany, ruining tradition, Nazi was a swing right,,, they were the people who were going to take their country back from the
lazy, no good left, the foreigners and taxes...

reply to post by Janky Red


You have illustrated my point perfectly. Nazism was known in Germany in that day as National Socialism or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party). I am not interested in debating whether or not the NAZI's were good little socialists, I made my original point, obviously so by the quoting that poster, in response to the assertion that the person being paraded about as an example of Tea Party behavior represented the Tea Party as a whole simply because she was a part of the Tea Party. If that assertion has any validity then so too does the comparison of NAZI's to socialism. That socialists today do all they can to distance themselves from Nazism is demonstrated by your own post



[edit on 14-12-2009 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]

Originally posted by Common Good
"The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols"-from op

The keyword(s) here are... "Provide children the opportunity".
They arent saying "mandatory".... simply stating that kids should have the
opportunity to sing songs if they want to sing songs.
We celebrate halloween in schools,and thanksgiving...Whats so diff about christmas?

Come on dude, they singing their little off key renditions of little drummer boys all over the place, every year like clockwork, par rum pa pum pum...

There is more to this, why
attempt to legislate the status quo?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Janky Red

 

You have illustrated my point perfectly. Nazism was known in German in that day as National Socialism or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party). I am not interested in debating whether or not the NAZI's were good little socialists or not, I made my original point, obviously so by the quoting that poster, in response to the assertion that the person being paraded about as an example of Tea Party behavior represented the Tea Party as a whole because she was a part of the Tea Party. If that assertion has any validity then so too does the comparison of NAZI's to socialism. That socialists today do all the can to distance themselves from Nazism is demonstrated by your own post

Ok guy

I am not sure what type of socialism you are referring to, socialism is a process, Communism is a state dependent on that process. The nazi were the alternative to
people who wanted to instill socialistic governance which in practice is called communism.

You live in your egg and have fun

Gots to go, I'll be damned if it isn't my turn to oil comrade Lenin's carcass

Just thought I'd share this...

25 Point Program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.[12]
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

It was not at all my intention to derail this thread and start a debate on what socialism is or isn't. I simply made the point that the NAZI's called themselves socialists and that socialists today vehemently deny any such association with NAZI's. One poster went out of their way to prove this point by taking up the issue of socialism and that was followed by a very informative and lengthy post outlining the platform of the NAZI party's agenda. This was not why I made the point.

I was simply responding to the O.P.'s assertion that Ms Hyatt represented the values of the Tea Party because she looked like one and hung out with them. I countered this assertion with my argument that Lenin rose to power through a communist party, Stalin did as well and that Hitler rose to power through a socialist party. This thread is not about the virtues or lack thereof of socialism, it is a thread attempting to dismiss the validity of Tea Party values by illustrating one persons efforts to have the option of Christmas Carols sung in public schools. Either there is a validity to this assertion that Ms Hyatt's efforts demonstrate an inherent flaw with the values of the Tea Party as a whole, or there is not.