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Norway spiral - Russia accepts blame even though Norway may have been responsible ! !

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posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Okay, if it wasn't a missile, how was it done?

inb4ProjectBlueBeam

Explain it, because let me tell you, the rocket explanation is much more credible than the "Technology that doesn't exist" explanation.




posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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(In Reponse to DGFenrir)
Bulava is not an SRBM, it's an SLBM. And it's apogee is 1000km.



Ah.. I stand corrected.

And if you could, explain to me how your calculations prove that no one could see it, despite the fact that it was at such a great height, supposedly.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by dwiggen]

[edit on 14-12-2009 by dwiggen]



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy
Okay, if it wasn't a missile, how was it done?

inb4ProjectBlueBeam

Explain it, because let me tell you, the rocket explanation is much more credible than the "Technology that doesn't exist" explanation.


TEQUILLAsunrise!!!! READ www.abovetopsecret.com... It was an experiment that was scheduled ahead of time and the schedule is still online.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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My calculations only provide the approximate size of the spiral but I don't know why it wasn't photographed anywhere else. When viewed from the side it probably looked just like a normal missile. There were reports of this from other parts of Norway. Don't know about finland. That city in Norway is probablythe most populated on in the north. The weather might have played a role in Finland.
I don't have a good explanation to this. Judging by the photos it should've been visible in Finland too.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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IMHO the best evidence presented so far is a Russian ballistic missile going badly off course over Norway. The Russians admit there was a test and it went badly.

Was it cloudy in Sweden that night? Go find out first, then ask your question. If it was cloudy or snowing people may not have been able to see it from Sweden.

Well as far as HAARP programs, it did start out as star wars program to throw enough energy into the atmosphere to disrupt rockets. This is what I gathered from Jesse Venturi's show on HAARP.

Now I can follow that since the Russians announced their Bulava test from the White Sea, it wouldn't surprise me if scientists flipped the Norway facility on just for kicks to see if they could knock the missile down. Why wouldn't you if you were a mad scientist?

Now from the Jesse Venturi episode, the HAARP people must have turned on the system because all of Jesse's cameras flipped out. So if I were to ask a question I don't have an answer to, I would ask was there any radio interference noted near the Norway facility that night.

Radio interference is needed to make a case for the Norway facility in either case.

At least make the allegation the Norway facility was turned on in an attempt to disrupt the missile. It could have very well succeeded resulting in the spiral caused by the missile. I could buy this as plausible, but it needs more proof.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by A52FWY
Now from the Jesse Venturi episode, the HAARP people must have turned on the system because all of Jesse's cameras flipped out.


That part on the show was fishy, it was even discussed here. The whole show had this scripted smell..



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Well, well, well, OP. You switched me back to not believing it was a failed rocket test.

At first I scoffed at the idea that it was a missile. But then it seemed much more plausible once I saw how malfunctioning missiles act. But now, after reading your post, you brought up some wonderful points that I thought about but didn't give a second thought too. Those being: If the rocket was so high (and on the correct path) it could be seen in Norway, why was it not seen anywhere else, if it was low and not on the correct path, once again, why didn't any other country see it, and why would Norway not be extremely miffed that a country such as Russia would allow a wayward rocket continue it's trajectory into another countries airspace. That's just not acceptible, by ANY country. The Nords are pretty laid back people, but I'm sure they draw a line somewhere.

This facility you speak of as being so close to the area also lends more credence to your theory.

I'm off to read the TEQUILLAsunrise thread. It looks pretty darn interesting.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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I don't know if this has been posted in other threads but below is a 3D animation of what Bulava is supposed to be. It is strangely reminiscent of the "Rods from God" satellite weapon system:


A pair of satellites orbiting several hundred miles above the Earth would serve as a weapons system. One functions as the targeting and communications platform while the other carries numerous tungsten rods—up to 20 feet in length and a foot in diameter—that it can drop on targets with less than 15 minutes’ notice. When instructed from the ground, the targeting satellite commands its partner to drop one of its darts. The guided rods enter the atmosphere, protected by a thermal coating, traveling at 36,000 feet per second—comparable to the speed of a meteor. The result: complete devastation of the target, even if it’s buried deep underground. (The two-platform configuration permits the weapon to be “reloaded” by just launching a new set of rods, rather than replacing the entire system.)

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I can see that if the third stage malfunctions and starts spinning could create a spiral when viewed from the right angle. The rocket theory, to me, does not explain the strange black hole which formed after the spiral.

Here is a video shot from Norway:




posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by danman23
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Hey tauristercus... Amazing work man! I think you really need to check out some info I dug up. It solidifies what you came up with. Message me or something after you get through it. I am going to bed.. Sleepy..
Here it is: TEQUILLAsunrise


Hi! I just S&F your thread.


Yes! TEQUILA SUNRISE is also higly interesting regarding this event and phenomena.

Let's see if we can dig up some more information regarding this experiment.

It can very well be some kind of combination of diiferent technologies that were used in this experiment in Norway:

EISCAT - TEQUILA SUNRISE - NORDIC MISSILE DEFENCE SHIELD together with unknown or Russian rocket OR just a rare natural phenomena blasted with unknown waves and illuminated from the ground?

Rock on ATS!



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Nice analisis, verry interesting S&F!



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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The black hole didn't really form. The spiral just faded. The expansion speed of the black hole is the same as the spiral's.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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Perfectly simple solution : The russians and Norway perhaps have some corperate allies in common. If a company or series of companies with the same affiliates had bought time with the device you specified, and that conglomerate also had dealings with russian government , perhaps that is how the Russians seemed so willing to take the blame. Who knows how much they could have lost or gained by doing this?
I think this maybe evidence of corperate power overwhelming political power.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Absolutely brilliant research and presentation S&F !



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by danman23

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
Okay, if it wasn't a missile, how was it done?

inb4ProjectBlueBeam

Explain it, because let me tell you, the rocket explanation is much more credible than the "Technology that doesn't exist" explanation.


TEQUILLAsunrise!!!! READ www.abovetopsecret.com... It was an experiment that was scheduled ahead of time and the schedule is still online.


I'm not going to lie, that has me stumped.

However, to put my own conspiratorial twist on this, when I think about Governmental Lies and Technology, I tend to believe that they EXAGGERATE what they can actually do, and live in the mythos played out in popular media, because frankly, having met some of the Farmboys in Washington, let me tell you, they aren't all that menacing.. I mean.. they named the Intelligence building after George Bush.


I'm going to research that more, if anything, you gave me something to look into for the next few months. Thanks.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by DGFenrir
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The black hole didn't really form. The spiral just faded. The expansion speed of the black hole is the same as the spiral's.


So assuming that the rocket engine was the source of light, it's impossible for the glowing to emanate outwards.

If the engine stopped burning or faded out, it would've gotten dark at once, or fade out from outwards in.

Not the other way around, since light travels at...the speed of light.

It's pretty obvious actually.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by DGFenrir
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Double Post.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Point of No Return]



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Point of No Return

Originally posted by DGFenrir
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The black hole didn't really form. The spiral just faded. The expansion speed of the black hole is the same as the spiral's.


So assuming that the rocket engine was the source of light, it's impossible for the glowing to emanate outwards.

If the engine stopped burning or faded out, it would've gotten dark at once, or fade out from outwards in.

Not the other way around, since light travels at...the speed of light.

It's pretty obvious actually.


But the engine wasn't the source of (all of) the light.. the sun was.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by HankMcCoy]



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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I wasn'y talking about the illumination. It was mostly illuminated by the Sun. By fading I meant the spiral disappeared, stopped forming and what was already leaked followed the laws of physics and continued it's course.

That's where the black hole came from.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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If the sun was lighting it, why did it fade out all of a sudden?

Makes no sense.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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GREAT JOB. I am convinced you are right on the money. Thank you for taking the time to put this excellent presentation together.





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