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The Israeli Lobby - Too Powerful!

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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:45 PM
From, a daily Israeli newspaper:

Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community.

In the case of Obama's government in particular, every criticism against Israel made by a potential government appointee has become a catalyst for debate about whether appointing "another leftist" offers proof that Obama does not truly support Israel.

A few months ago, boisterous protests by the American Jewish community helped foil the appointment of Chaz Freeman to chair the National Intelligence Council, citing his "anti-Israel leaning."

The next attempt to appoint an intelligence aide, in this case, former Republican senator Chuck Hagel, also resulted in vast criticism over his not having a pro-Israel record.

American Zionists are urging Obama to cancel Hagel's appointment because of what they call a long and problematic record of hostility toward Israel.

The president of the Zionist Organization of America, Morton A. Klein, described Hagel's nomination as such: "Any American who is concerned about Iran's drive to obtain nuclear weapons, maintaining the Israeli-U.S. relationship and supporting Israel in its legitimate fight to protect her citizens from terrorism should oppose this appointment."

Republican Jews have also protested Hagel's appointment, citing an incident in 2004 when Hagel refused to sign a letter calling on then-president George Bush to speak about Iran's nuclear program at the G8 summit that year.

I was unaware of the Charles Freeman controversy mentioned in the article above. Wikipedia states:

On February 26, 2009 the Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair named Freeman as chair of the National Intelligence Council,[9] which culls intelligence from sixteen US agencies and compiles them into National Intelligence Estimates. Blair cited his "diverse background in defense, diplomacy and intelligence."[10]

News of Freeman's nomination met with criticism from a number of pro-Israel commentators of his views about Israel and Arab nations and his ties to Saudi Arabia and China,

Apparently the crusade against Freeman was instigated by Steve J. Rosen, a 23 year veteran of the AIPAC, in addition to time served at the Pentagon and with the RAND corporation. In the 1990s, Rosen's primary focus in his AIPAC duties concerned Iran - lobbying the Clinton administration to place economic sanctions on the Islamic Regime.

In 2004 Rosen was revealed to have been an asset in the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal, having been the recipient of secret documents pertaining to US foreign policy on Iran stolen by Lawrence Franklin, a mid-level official at the Pentagon. It would seem that Rosen had then passed on the information to Mossad. This wouldn't be Franklin's first activities in Israeli-Iranian subterfuge: some time prior to the spy scandal, Franklin, along with Harold Rhode (a member of the American Enterprise Institute along with Dick Cheney, George P. Schultz, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle) met in Paris with Iranian dissidents and Manucher Ghorbanifar, an arms dealer with was a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal. The meeting was organized by Michael Ledeen, also of Iran-Contra fame, not to mention his membership in the American Enterprise Institute and possibly the renegade P2 Masonic lodge, as well as being a suspected Israeli spy. Ledeen has been outspoken against Iran for the better part of twenty years.

The story takes another surreal turn: in 2006 Congresswoman Jane Harman was caught on an NSA wiretap talking to an Israeli agent who was promising her a coveted seat on the House Intelligence Committee on the grounds that she would intervene in the Lawrence spy scandal. It would seem that the Israelis would A) have the AIPAC lobby Nancy Pelosi as B) have media mogul Haim Saban (suspected by some of being an Israeli agent) threaten to withhold Pelosi's campaign funding. You can read the whole story here:

Jane Harman Weighs In on Israel's Hold Over Congress

Wiretap Recorded Rep. Harman Discussing Aid for AIPAC Defendants

Wiretap scandal of leading Democrat 'who lobbied for Israeli spies'

This whole bizarre story has numerous branches that can begin to rip a hole through the heart of the War on Terror. Michael Ledeen is a suspected of being the authored of the forged yellowcake documents. At the very least, we have this, from the first breaking of the Franklin spy scandal:

In a later broadcast on MSNBC, former CIA officer and NBC analyst Larry Johnson reported that for months he had been aware of an investigation that had led to tonight's revelation, one that had originally focused on the source of a forged document indicating that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger, presumably for making nuclear weapons. Johnson speculated that Israel may have been behind the forgery which was used by the administration to bolster its case for invasion.

The yellowcake documents, of course, can be linked to the Valeria Plame affair (and thus to the revelations of Sibel Edmonds). Also possibly involved in the yellowcake affair is CIA agent Robert Seldon Lady, now a wanted fugitive after being implicated in the Abu Omar rendition case. Connected to both the Abu Omar affair and the yellowcake forgeries is Nicolò Pollari, former head of the SISMI and also possible member of the P2 lodge, which brings us back to Michael Ledeen. And let us not forget that Lawrence's partner in Michael Ledeen's Paris meeting, Harold Rhode is a member of Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), as was Dick Cheney and Richard Perle.

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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 02:46 PM
On September 13th, 2001, JINSA published this document called "This Goes Beyond Bin Laden":

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 13, 2001 - In the face of horrendous acts of terrorism against the United States, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) calls on the American government and on all world leaders to be decisive in their actions to confront the terrorists and their supporters, who rely on our taking half measures in response.

We must begin by condemning them and their organizations by name; we know who they are. Osama Bin Laden, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad are only the most prominent. The countries harboring and training them include not just Afghanistan - an easy target for blame - but Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Sudan, the Palestinian Authority, Libya, Algeria and even our presumed friends Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

We must make them believe there is not one inch of soil on the planet that is a haven or training ground for them.

The United States can have no political relationship with any country or group whose citizens celebrate the death of innocent Americans. There is nothing to justify dancing in the streets and rejoicing over an American tragedy. This behavior tells us who our friends are, and who wishes our mortal enemies well.

A long investigation to prove Osama Bin Laden's guilt with prosecutorial certainty is entirely unnecessary. He is guilty in word and deed. His history is the source of his culpability. The same holds true for Saddam Hussein. Our actions in the past certainly were not forceful enough, and now we must seize the opportunity to alter this pattern of passivity.

This Goes Beyond Bin Laden

What do you all think?

[edit on 13-12-2009 by Someone336]

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 03:14 PM
The Israeli lobby is too powerful in D.C and threatens the position of any/ every US President who don't support their zionist decision. Every year millions of US citizens tax payers money goes to Israel to further it's genocidal policies.

Infact, if you remember when Obama came in office he asked Israeli govt. to immediately stop all illegal settlements. Immediately after that a fake Kenyan certificate issue arose which was provided by O'rly Taitz (who ran away to Israel immediately after submitting the certificate to US Federal court). After that the Tea party protest which was led by a pro-Israel lobby group against Obama. Similar other propaganda techniques have bee used against current President Obama by Israeli lobby to weaken the US President under the guise of American citizen interest.

Unless the whole Israeli lobby is dismantled and thrown out of US Politics , United States has no choice but will be held to ransom.

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 03:36 PM
Flag and Star(s). This has gone on for way too long. All funding should be cut off. All support should be cut off. All Lobbying and positions held should be cut off. My position comes not as anti Jewish, not hardly, it comes from the zionist agenda and how it has hijacked the Jewish religion to create more chaos and hatred and pain in this world. They are way too powerful.

"The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money, and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary.. The Zionist leaders who now sit in government prevented it!" Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Ehrenreich 1954

To the billions of people around the world who know only the standard Establishment version of 20th Century history, the above quotation is incomprehensible, its implications impossible to fathom. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were the sworn enemies of all Jews, they will say, and to suggest there could be any collusion between Zionists and Hitler's Third Reich is both beyond belief and a slap at the memory of those who died at the hands of Nazi persecutors.
Incomprehensible, perhaps, but by no means impossible. The Zionist Nazi collaboration, however suppressed it has been to the general public,
is a little known, but crucial, part of European history, one that continues to profoundly shape and affect world events in the 21st Century.

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a NAZI -- a National Socialist Party member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a 'metaphysical absurdity.'

Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.. from Mark Weber, "Zionism and the Third Reich."

This mind boggling voyage is but one of many facts which have been compiled and collated, and which is presented in a video by Jim Condit Jr. titled, The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler.

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 04:47 PM
Thanks for the replies, guys.

I'm sure you've both heard of the Egyptian Gaza strip wall.

Egypt has begun constructing a huge metal wall along its border with the Gaza Strip as it attempts to cut smuggling tunnels, the BBC has learned.

When it is finished the wall will be 10-11km (6-7 miles) long and will extend 18 metres below the surface.

The Egyptians are being helped by American army engineers, who the BBC understands have designed the wall.

The plan has been shrouded in secrecy, with no comment or confirmation from the Egyptian government.

The wall will take 18 months to complete.

For weeks local farmers have noticed more activity at the border where trees were being cut down, but very few of them were aware that a barrier was being built.


That is because the barrier, made of super-strength steel, has been hidden deep underground.

The BBC has been told that it was manufactured in the US, that it fits together in similar fashion to a jigsaw, and that it has been tested to ensure it is bomb proof.

Egypt starts building steel wall on Gaza Strip border

And there is the case of American weapons being used in the Gaza offensive last year:

The devastating Israeli firepower, unleashed largely on Palestinian civilians in Gaza during the three-week attack starting December 27, 2008 was fueled by US-supplied weapons paid for with US tax dollars. Washington provided F-16 fighter planes, Apache helicopters, tactical missiles, and a wide array of munitions, including white phosphorus and DIME. The weapons required for the Israeli assault were decided upon in June 2008, and the transfer of 1,000 bunker-buster GPS-guided Small Diameter Guided Bomb Units 39 (GBU-39) were approved by Congress in September. The GBU 39 bombs were delivered to Israel in November (prior to any claims of Hamas cease fire violation) for use in the initial air raids on Gaza.

Researchers in Gaza found several weapon fragments after the attacks. One came from a 500lb (227kg) Mark-82 fin guided bomb, which had markings indicating parts were made by the US company Raytheon. They also found fragments of US-made white phosphorus artillery shells, marked M825 A1.

US arms used for war crimes in Gaza

On a side note, "close involvement with the CIA and National Security Agency to the extent that, according to a secret informant to the Washington Post, they are 'virtually indistinguishable' entities."

The World Bank is complicit in the funding of the Israel-Palestine wall, while an Israeli organization called the Coalition of Women for Peace has launched a website called Who Profits? Exposing the Israeli Occupation Industry, dedicated to exposing the corporations who are directly involved in profiting from the occupation. A glance around their website exposes that while the majority of the corporations are Israeli in origin, some are US based companies.

In addition to dealing with Iran, Lawrence Franklin also specialized in Israel-Palestine issues.

And yet people wonder why, with all the peace talks over the years, the situation always deteriorates into violence.

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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 06:44 PM
No lobby is feared more or catered to by politicians than the Israeli lobby. If a politician does not play ball with the Israeli Lobby, he will not get elected, or re-elected, and he will either be smeared or ignored by the Israeli/ Jewish owned major media.

All Israeli lobbies and organizations are interconnected and there are hundreds upon hundreds of them. The leaders of the numerous lobby groups are actually a close knit group. And this inter-connectedness extends to people who run the Federal Reserve Bank, US Homeland Security, and the US State Department.

List of the major Israeli lobby groups & how they work:

American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC): AIPAC has a staff of over 150 employees and an annual budget of over $60 million Here derived from private contributions from wealthy Jews and Jewish-owned businesses. In other words, “money corrupts & AIPAC money corrupts the American political system absolutely.”

~ AIPAC has many “PACS” attached to their Lobby. PACS are “Public Action Committees,” sanctioned by Federal Law, that give huge donations to political candidates. PACS are the means by which AIPAC and all Israeli lobbies utilize the immense wealth to bribe US politicians. AIPAC is currently lobbying for the US to attack Iran Here & Here. AIPAC’s Executive Director is Howard Kohr.

American Jewish Congress (AJC): Its antecedents began in 1918 when Woodrow Wilson’s “influential friends,” Rabbi Stephen Wise, (founder of AJC in 1930), and Judge Louis Brandeis, (co-founder), participated in the drafting of the infamous Versailles Treaty of 1919 which resulted in backlash by Germany and thus Holocast followed.

~ Currently, the AJC works with pandering Congressman and “bought” Senators like Senator Jeff Bingaman to push through Bills with Zionist agendas Here. The AJC also has many “PACS.” AJC’s Executive Director is the powerful Neil B. Goldstein.

Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations: 51 of the largest Jewish organizations come together regularly Here under the umbrella group of the Conference. Their Mission Statement reads, “Forging diverse groups into a unified force to foster the special US-Israel relationship”. The Conference also has many “PACS.” The Conferences’ Executive Chairman is Malcolm I. Hoenlein.

Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA): Founded in 1976 by Richard Perle & Eliot Abrams. Its mission is to promote US aid to Israel with military hardware Here and HERE. JINSA has its "influence" everywhere including the US Department of Defense.

~ JINSA has a formidable array of Washington power players on its rolls. Prior to Bush’s Presidency, JINSA’s Board of Advisers included Dick Cheney, Elliot Abrams (now the Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy), John Bolton (now Under Secretary of State for Arms Control) and Douglas Feith, who was Bush’s third-highest-ranking executive in the Pentagon. Cheney, Abrams, and Bolton are still in power having as their well-connected supporters of JINSA.

~ Part of JINSA’s annual budget is spent on providing lavish “educational” trips to Israel for key politicians & high ranking US military personnel. Northrop Grumman, (Feith’s Law Firm represents Northrop Grumnan Here), which has sold ships, Hawkeye planes, and radar systems to Israel, are also represented in the JINSA membership. [Good networking for those Israeli-influenced contracts! Here]

Middle East Forum (MEF): It’s Mission Statement Here reads, “The Middle East Forum seeks to promote American interests in the Middle East. We define U.S. interests to include fighting radical Islam whether terroristic or lawful [dropping US cluster bombs on Arab children in Gaza Strip & shutting off fuel and water supplies to the Gazans]; working for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; [ethnic cleansing of Palestinians until only 1 Palestinian is left to “accept” Israel]; and countering the Iranian threat [bribing US politicians to declare war on Iran].”

~ MEF’s Director is the powerful Daniel Pipes.

Zionist Organization Of America (ZOA): Founded in 1897 to promote political Zionism. Currently the ZOA has over 30,000 members in every major US city.

The ZOA boasts on its Web Site:

— “The ZOA has played a key role in Congress [bribes] regarding victims of terrorism [Jews only]; keeping Jerusalem unified under Israeli sovereignty [illegal settlements in the West Bank]; fighting Hamas and Fatah [US-made cluster bombs dropped on Arab children in Gaza Strip]; and working on the imposition of sanctions on Syria and Saudi Arabia [and the illegal invasion of Iraq].”

You will find an interesting similarity most of the top executives of these "Organsatios" are related to Israel directly or indirectly (religion).

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 07:30 PM

Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA): Founded in 1976 by Richard Perle & Eliot Abrams. Its mission is to promote US aid to Israel with military hardware Here and HERE. JINSA has its "influence" everywhere including the US Department of Defense.

I can see a definitive pattern here. Like Ledeen, Eliot Abrams, who worked for the Reagan administration, was involved in Iran-Contra:

When Congress shut down funding for the Contras' efforts to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government with the 1982 Boland Amendment, the Reagan administration began looking for other avenues for funding the group.[18] Congress opened a couple of such avenues when it modified the Boland Amendment for fiscal year 1986 by approving $27 million in direct aid to the Contras and allowing the administration to legally solicit funds for the Contras from foreign governments[19]. Neither the direct aid, nor any foreign contributions, could be used to purchase weapons.[19] Guided by the new provisions of the modified Boland Amendment, Abrams flew to London in August 1986 and met secretly with Bruneian defense minister General Ibnu to solicit a $10-million contribution from the Sultan of Brunei.[20][21] Ultimately, the Contras never received this money because a clerical error in Oliver North's office (a mistyped account number) sent the Bruneian money to the wrong Swiss bank account.[21]

Elliot Abrams

He would be charged with two misdemeanors and fined $50, before being pardoned by George H.W. Bush. Abrams is also said to have had advanced knowledge of the 2002 attempted coup against Hugo Chavez.

Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, Dick Cheney and Michael Ledeen all have one other thing in common, besides being raging neo-cons, exerting influence upon Bush administration, being tied directly or indirectly to Iran-Contra and being members of JINSA: they are all members of the Project for the New American Century. I wrote about them in depth on a thread called Oil and a War with Iran, and I would like to bring up a quote I found from another one of their members, former CIA Middle East specialist Reuel Marc Gerecht:

The Iranians will certainly respond with terrorism. That's one of the reasons [they] want to have nuclear weaponry anyway, is because they have terrorism in their DNA. I would expect them to try to cause trouble in Iraq. Now, the one thing you're not going to see is Iranian Revolutionary Guards taking on American soldiers; they'd be slaughtered. ...

Now, will the Iranians be patient and try to figure out ways to strike the Americans? Absolutely. But again, is that damage less or more than allowing a regime with the history that the clerics have to have nuclear weaponry? I would say no. I'd rather take a risk. ...

Such times we live in.

posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 08:11 PM
Though conspiracy sites thrive on attempts to show Israel in a negative and controlling light, anyone familiar with Washington and it's army of lobbyists is well aware of the power of the Saudi Lobby followed not to far behind by that of Turkey.

They have gone to great lengths to maintain low profiles even buying up or into news services to deflect virtual dictating of American foreign policy in the Middle East.

It's not exactly a State Secret the US and Britain were asked to invade Iraq in the early 90s at the behest of the Saudis who even offered them a base of operation.

The Saudis told Bush Sr to stop short of deposing Saddam Hussein not wishing to set a precedent of overriding Muslim state sovereignty.

They came to regret that decision and asked the US to finish off Saddam in Phase 2, 5 years ago.

Similarly the Saudis have been dictating policy on Iran, their rival Shi'ite state and the one they perceive as their biggest threat to their regional hegemony.

I can't shake the idea that the Israel lobby, no matter how powerful, isn't all it is cracked up to be, particularly where it concerns the Bush administrations past and present. Indeed, when I think of pernicious foreign lobbies with disproportionate sway over American politics, I can't see past Saudi Arabia and its royal house, led by King Abdullah.

The long and corrupt history of American-Saudi relations centers around the kingdom's vast reserves of easily extractable oil, of course. Ever since President Franklin D. Roosevelt met aboard ship in 1945 with King Ibn Saud, the special relationship with the desert kingdom has only grown stronger. The House of Saud is usually happy to sell us oil at a consistent and reasonable price and then increase production if unseemly market forces drive the world price of a barrel too high for U.S. consumers.

In exchange we arm the Saudis to the teeth and turn a blind eye to their medieval approach to crime and punishment.

Even during the Saudi-led oil embargo of 1973-74, an exceedingly hostile action against the United States supposedly justified by Washington's support of Israel in the Yom Kippur War, the Nixon administration treaded very softly. Despite the illegality of the embargo it arguably violated international law as well as a bilateral commercial agreement between the United States and Saudi Arabia the White House and the State Department could hardly have been more diplomatic toward their Bedouin friends.


MOD NOTE: Posting work written by others

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posted on Dec, 13 2009 @ 09:05 PM
reply to post by Someone336

Thanks for the link to your other thread and the Reagen issue, it is very informative. I will study it deeper and get back on this. To sum it up I'd say the rot of Israeli lobby runs deep in US politics fueled by their Zionist Talmud Torah driven ideological policies which is eating the entire structure of USA like a termite.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:36 AM
We need to vote out as many entrenched Republicans and Democrats and replace them with as many independent candidates as possible.

Voters need to seen a strong message through letters and phone calls that America has no state named Israel.

Americans need to write their representatives and the Justice Department demanding that AIPAC be investigated from the top to the bottom and the bottom to the top and to prosecute any illegal activities as espionage and apply the full penalty of the law.

If you want the thieves and extortionists, libelers and murderers from AIPAC out of our government the people need to stop tolerating and rewarding them.

Additionally all Americans should be demanding that Israel either sign the International Atomic Energy Agency nuclear non-proliferation and allow inspections of it’s facilities or risk sanctions and bombing of its illegal and undeclared and uninspected nuclear facilities if it does not comply.

If spying on us and making every attempt to subvert our government is what Israel does to friends, the world would be foolish to continually turn a blind eye to their illegal nuclear weapons programs!

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:41 AM
i've got a good link that deals with the historical element on this thread, i am very happy that this thread has been posted and will hopefully have an educated debate on this very importent subject.

We need to understand the history of palestine and the destruction of that nation and it's people.

We need to understand what Zionism is and it's goals.

We need to be fair when it comes to people and that a death is a death
weather Muslim, Jew or christian.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:53 AM
Economically, Israel is bankrupt. Of course, this could have been predicted because Israel's economic structure is based on socialism.

Whenever a government of a state and its citizens spend more money than the value of the goods produced, economic bankruptcy will result. If it were not for aid from America, Israel's economy would have collapsed long ago. Israel is a 'welfare state' in every sense of the word — it is America's most favored welfare recipient.

While America's farmers, small businessmen and laborers are struggling to survive, the U.S. Government, dominated by Zionist Jews, are draining the pockets and purses of American taxpayers to support Israel's socialist economy and war machine.

Since the Israeli government knows, and the favored Zionists know, that the Zionist pressure in America will ensure that America will keep sending them massive amounts of money, Israel's government and its favored citizens spend money like drunken sailors. This practice leads to inflation and eventually to an economic collapse.

Comparing Israel to drunken sailors is unfair to sailors. Sailors spend their OWN money — Israel spends money it gets from America. Because Israel is a welfare state depending mainly on American aid for survival, it is on a down-hill slide. In 1982, Israel's inflation rate was 130%.

In 1983, it was 200%, and this year (1984) it is expected to exceed 400%. That means a hamburger that cost $1.00 last January will have risen to $5.00 by the end of December. History shows that no nation mired in economic problems as Israel has become, has ever avoided an economic collapse. Only with a massive increase in American financial aid can an economic collapse be averted — even then, this solution would only be temporary.

Regarding the destructive tendencies of socialism, there are circumstances that allow a country to successfully provide social programs to help its people. It is possible in a country that has sufficient financial resource and where its citizens are deeply religious and considerate toward their fellowmen.

NONE of this exists in Israel. Even in countries where conditions are ideal there lingers a danger. Since the government of the country provides for the needs of its citizens, most of these citizens have a tendency to lose incentive to work hard; and a country with a complacent citizenry is easily conquered.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:57 AM
This is so simple - lobbies exist because we, the people allow them to. How? We give them power through their ability to provide money to politicians. Take away their money and you destroy their power. So, how do we take away their money? Simple, we don't elect their "candidates". Most of our current politicians are simply cardboard cutouts for various interest groups who have sent their bought and paid-for politicians to go to Washington to do their bidding. STOP electing these career politicians and you will be suprised at how quickly these lobbies disintegrate.

Another faster and more thorough way to destroy the lobby would be to enact REAL campaign finance reform. In toher words, remove every private dollar from the campaign process. Allocate a predetermined amount of federal dollars to each and every candidate and legislate that each and every media outlet allocate an equal amount of pre-determined time to the political process. This would ensure and equal and fair representation of the candidates for the American people to decide.

Doesn't it seem funny to anyone that an individual would spend millions and millions - perhaps even hundreds of millions of dollars, for a job that pays $350,000 a year???????????

Now as far as the Israeli Lobby - they are a Satanic Cabal that will get ground up in the machine of reform that normal, everyday people like you and me are going to force upon the world very, very soon. It is coming and no one should doubt it.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:57 AM
During the 1967 War, one of the most daring acts of treachery was committed. It was the attack on an American ship, the USS Liberty, by America's so-called friend, Israel.

During Israel's treacherous attack on Egypt, the USS Liberty, an American surveillance ship, was cruising off the coast of Israel monitoring the progress of the attack.

Realizing the USS Liberty was learning and recording Israel's acts of treachery, Israeli leaders decided to 'get rid' of the evidence. Israeli planes and torpedo boats attacked Liberty with the obvious intent of sinking it. If the ship was sunk, thus destroying the evidence, Israel then could blame Egypt for the attack — and the Zionist controlled news-media in America would have given the lie as fact with the intent of turning the American people against Egypt. But, fortunately — bravery on the part of the Liberty crew kept the ship afloat. Israel failed in its act of treachery against America, its ally, but during the attack, Israel killed 34 crew members of the Liberty and wounded 171.

Israel claimed the attack on the Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. But, reports by the surviving crew and other evidence prove the attack by Israel was intentional.

Facts about the attack on the USS Liberty were conveniently omitted by the Zionist controlled American news-media. All that the Zionists told the American people was that Israel had sunk an American ship, but that it was a case of mistaken identity.

An investigation by the U.S. Government was subdued and the matter quickly forgotten. This is a good example of the tremendous influence the Zionists have over the U.S. Government.

The coverup of the whole scandalous affair by the U.S. Government could not have succeeded if the news-media had done its duty and reported the facts surrounding the attack. It is a good example of the power the Zionist controlled news-media in America to distort or withhold important news from the American people.

1973 War — The treachery on the part of Israel and the Soviets that led to the 1967 War embittered the Arab people and immediately they began arming with the intent of retaliating for this Israeli treachery and to try and take back the land that Israel had taken from them. By 1973 they were prepared.

Even though several Arab countries were preparing militarily, they were trying to peacefully work out a solution with Israel. But, Israel was assured that their Zionist brethren in America would use their power over the U.S. Government to make sure that the U.S. would support Israel. So, Israel's leaders continued to maintain a belligerent attitude.

Realizing the hopelessness of further negotiating with Israel's leaders, Egypt along with Jordan, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel — and they were winning.

With Israel facing defeat, the powerful Zionists in America pulled the strings of their power over the U.S. Government and the U.S. Government officials obeyed their Zionist masters. Massive amounts of U.S. military equipment and arms were airlifted at taxpayer's expense to Israel to bolster the retreating Israeli forces.

This U.S. aid enabled Israel to turn the tide and emerge victorious. Yes, Israel was saved, but so much U.S. military equipment was airlifted to Israel at that time that the U.S. armed forces were left in short supply and in a weakened position.

U.S. Government officials are so much under the influence of the Zionists that they had alerted the 82nd Airborne Division stationed at Ft. Bragg, N.C. and U.S. troops stationed in Germany for the purpose of being sent to aid Israel, if necessary.

It is pretty sad that to please the Zionist power in America, U.S. Government officials are willing to sacrifice the lives of American boys to save Zionist/Marxist Israel.

Young men already in the U.S. armed forces and their parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters should especially be concerned about Israeli precipitated wars and attempts to involve the U.S. in these wars, because if necessary, to save Israel in one of their acts of aggression, the U.S. Government will bow to the American Zionists and send American boys into combat — the boys will have no choice but fight on the side of Zionist/Marxist Israel.


posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 09:02 AM
Beware America; there is a “Trojan Horse” within our midst. It brings with it an infectious disease, which to date has caused untold damage.

It’s now become obvious to those with any common sense, just who the “terrorists” actually are.

Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?

Complete 911 Timeline

Go home Israel, and leave America alone.

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posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 09:03 AM
Sad to see the deplorable situation in our own government, the corruption and denigration of once a very powerful for the people government.

In todays America everybody that have money and power can buy anything but we the American people no longer can make our government work for us.

I am so tired of it.

Perhaps if we the people get together and start a donating money to build a money pit, we may be able to get enough money to buy our own government back.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 09:21 AM
reply to post by kozmo

There is another way to stop funding of these lobbies and that is to not support products which support/funds them for eg.- these companies.
Companies in a list

* AOL Time Warner
* Apax Partners
* Arsenal Football Club
* Coca-Cola
* Caterpillar
* Danone
* Delta Galil
* Disney
* Estée Lauder
* Home Depot
* Intel
* Johnson & Johnson
* Kimberly-Clark
* Lewis Trust Group
* The Limited Inc
* L'Oreal
* Marks & Spencer
* McDonald's
* Nestle
* News Corporation
* Nokia
* Revlon
* Sara Lee
* Selfridges
* Starbucks
* Timberland

You see the funding that these groups receives are not just from average people but also from the companies. The major source of income of these lobbies are thru the funds received from big corporations.

Also to completely understand the Israeli lobby one needs to read this book - The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

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posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 11:01 AM

Originally posted by December_Rain
to completely understand the Israeli lobby one needs to read this book - The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

One needs to read what is said in provided links like your own to the Wikipedia entry on the book.

Michael Scheuer, a former senior official at the Central Intelligence Agency and now a terrorism analyst for CBS News, said […] “I hope they move on and do the Saudi lobby, which is probably more dangerous to the United States than the Israeli lobby."

And what reviewers have said about this piece of scholarship. Many have noted a book on foreign policy generated in the Middle East suspiciously never touches on what is considered the most powerful lobby.

London Review of Books

Mearsheimer and Walt don’t consider the way that Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf sheikhdoms justify their own autocratic privileges by bankrolling extremism against Israel, or the reasons young European Muslims respond to discrimination in their host societies with anger not at white Europeans, but at a country thousands of miles away.

Could it be that vote-seeking European leftists and Saudi-funded Islamic clerics are amplifying the conflict in the Middle East into a transnational obsession?

Washington Post

One of Mearsheimer's University of Chicago colleagues has characterized this as "piss-poor, monocausal social science." It is indeed a wretched piece of scholarship. Israeli citizenship rests "on the principle of blood kinship," it says, and yet the country has a million non-Jewish citizens who vote.

Osama bin Laden's grievance with the United States begins with Israel, it says -- but in fact his 1998 fatwa declaring war against this country began by denouncing the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia and the suffering of the people of Iraq. "Other ethnic lobbies can only dream of having the political muscle."

the Saudi lobby, which has bent American policy to the benefit of a famously corrupt and terrorism-sponsoring monarchy, though neither Mearsheimer nor Walt shows any interest in the subject.

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posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 12:40 PM
reply to post by Someone336

Not only the Iran Contra affair, the AIPAC (main arm of zionist israeli lobby) was also founded in espionage cases.

In April 2005, AIPAC policy director Steven Rosen and AIPAC senior Iran analyst Keith Weissman were fired by AIPAC amid an FBI investigation into whether they passed classified U.S. information received from Franklin on to the government of Israel. They were later indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel,[30][31]. AIPAC agreed to pay the legal fees for Weissman's defense through appeal if necessary,[32] but charges were subsequently dropped.[33]

In May 2005, the Justice Department announced that Lawrence Anthony Franklin, a U.S. Air Force Reserves colonel working as a Department of Defense analyst at the Pentagon in the office of Douglas Feith, had been arrested and charged by the FBI with providing classified national defense information to Israel. The six-count criminal complaint identified AIPAC by name and described a luncheon meeting in which, allegedly, Franklin disclosed top-secret information to two AIPAC officials.[34][35]

Franklin pleaded guilty to passing government secrets to Rosen and Weissman and revealed for the first time that he also gave classified information directly to an Israeli government official in Washington. On January 20, 2006, he was sentenced to 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined $10,000. As part of the plea agreement, Franklin agreed to cooperate in the larger federal investigation.[36][37]]

and members of AIPAC boasting about their "influence" on DC which was recorded

In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner also claimed that he had

met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.[28]

Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs."[28]

NY real estate developer Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."[29]


Simply mind blowing evidence...gosh! only if more Americans knew about this.

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 01:13 PM

Originally posted by December_Rain
No lobby is feared more or catered to by politicians than the Israeli lobby. If a politician does not play ball with the Israeli Lobby, he will not get elected, or re-elected, and he will either be smeared or ignored by the Israeli/ Jewish owned major media.

What is amusing on these threads is the foaming at the mouth criticism leveled at the US government for it's being influenced by a foreign lobby.

But no one ever wants to even mention what is known by every forthright politician and reporters on foreign affairs. The US government allows the Saudi regime to dictate all major decisions on power balance and leadership of the region - and has been doing so for generations.

Ultimately the US has become a nation of Saudi ass-kissers. Lining up right behind the Bush admin are the conspiracists trying to blame Israel for Middle East problems while giving the green light to the Saudis who are pleased their campaign to deflect attention from their manipulation of the US works so well.

Too bad simplistic conspiracists are more concerned about their pet hatreds than the real balance of powers in the world.

it was recognized that OPEC oil production would not begin to peak
until well after the year 2010. Strategically, this means that OPEC
nations would become stronger, and the non-OPEC nations would
become weaker, such that, at some “cross-over event” the balance
of power might shift.

This is one of the main reasons why the U.S. has attributed so much importance to dominating this region, and maintaining a positive
relationship with Saudi Arabiain particular. Indeed, the strategic
importance of the oil-producing Gulf-states and Saudi Arabia was
recognized even before 1950.

In the 1970s, there were two superpowers: the U.S. and the
Soviet Union. Both were struggling to gain or maintain influence
in the Middle East and among the Gulf states. Libya, Egypt, and
Iraq were in the Russian corner. Moreover, the incredibly oil-rich,
albeit undeveloped regions of Central Asia and the Caspian basin
were part of the Soviet Union.

In the 1970s, it was recognized that in the future, who ever
controlled and developed the oil resources of the Caspian basin
and Central Asia, as well as that of Saudi Arabia and Iraq, would
also have a strangle hold, not just on India and China, but the world.
Those who established this control would also become wealthy
beyond their dreams.

By the late 1970s, one of the keys to gaining access to the
oil-rich central Asian states, was Afghanistan. If these states were
to be destabilized and stripped away from the Soviet Union, then
Afghanistan, with its Soviet-backed government, would have to be
torn lose first. Before and after Afghanistan fell, terrorist attacks
would be launched into the underbelly of the Soviet Union (14).
Afghanistan was also a key, because Afghanistan offered the
best route for an oil pipeline—a pipeline that would pump the oil
extracted from the central Asian states, across Afghanistan, to
Pakistan, and thus to the world markets via the Arabian sea.

However, in order for western oil companies and the CIA to
accomplish this, required Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as a partner.
The willingness to involve Saudi Arabia was strategic and
based on political reality. If the ruling families of Saudi Arabia
were not promised a huge piece of the central Asian pie, they would
refuse to cooperate in any destabilizing attacks on the Soviet Union.
As Saudi Arabia was also a major source of funds to Pakistan and
its ISI, if Saudi Arabia were not part of the equation, Pakistan too
would refuse to cooperate, and might even align itself with the
Soviet Union.

The Saudis were willing to cooperate for a number of reasons,
including those related to the spread of the Islamic religion,
and the creation of an Islamic superstate, and because they wished
to retain their power. If America alone won the central Asia oil
“prize” the Saudis would lose the power of oil and their ability to
effect the world economy by turning the oil spigot on or off.

Likewise, given that Saudi Arabia has the world’s largest oil
reserves, they key to controlling the world’s economy, and thus the
world, required a partnership with the Saudi kingdom

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