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Originally posted by Bananarama
It's funny how the believers in GW call it a gray area where we still need to do more research, whereas people who say GW isn't real (or not as important as Al Gore would have you think) present us facts and their own years in the works research.
It's like an article I read about Microwaves and Cancer. It's really easy for a short paragraph to scare you away from microwaves, but hard for a long essay to tell you why Microwave ovens aren't going to cause Cancer.
Originally posted by reassor
do humans have influence on climate change? NO - our co2 (wich is good gas) emissions are very small compared to natural ones (water vapor , volcanos etc.)
do humans have impact on ENVIROMENT? YES - deforestation , over-hunting , over-fishing etc. these are the things we should focus on not the stupid ideas about co2 or methane from farting ... its just silly to belive that this taxation would change something.
as for global warming as an marketing tool well look for your self .. green this green that
its like in avatar movie - its not that humans came and build a factory wich made a "global warming" on pandora its the fact they rip the planet apart w/o any consideration about its natural life.
simmilar is here on earth.
if we cut down all trees then well we will all sufficate in time.
Imagine that trees were having a cop15 of thier own lol and trying to tax oxygen emissions becose its "poison" its that simple.
sorry for wall of text but i just cant stand how people get fooled like this.
Originally posted by hangedman13
I've got one for you NoHierarchy... Why then during the 1940's we didn't have global warming? Industry was at it's strongest and safety measures were not on the plate? The WWII industrial boom should have really hit the enviroment, yet the evidence doesn't exist. Ohh I got it cuz global warming was not invented yet!
Originally posted by Copperflower
Wow, what a "lively" debate.
I have actually been pondering this issue lately, as have many of us, of course, and realized a couple of things that made me go "hmmm." Please comment if you have relevant information. It's hard to find reputable science these days, so these things have the benefit of not needing scientific verification, as they refer to easily-observed or commonplace occurrences.
A: Wouldn't loads of fresh water suddenly (over a period of years or decades) infusing the water system of the world help to dilute many toxins we already know are in the water we drink? Plus we don't have to pay a dime, since it's already happening and no one can stop it.
B: Galapagos. Arctic penguins live there, and quite happily. Polar bears live in zoos far from Arctic regions. Why would they be in so much danger if there were changes in the length of the warm season in Arctic regions? There would seem to be an increased population in the works, at least at first. The warmer seasons would continue in the warming trend, correct? My point is that the Tropics are not bereft of life, even life originating in colder climates. Are there other kinds of dangers to them? Yes. Different diseases, insects, fungi? Yes. But are these Arctic natives thriving? Definitely.
C. Large forests being destroyed by warm weather insects. Wouldn't different trees need to be planted in anticipation of the changing climate? Wouldn't the plants change anyway to suit these conditions? And couldn't we determine and plant large forests of better-suited trees during this die-off? Tougher plants and trees would help the land adapt, and we wouldn't have to lose huge forests before we started over.
Thoughts or info on any of this?